July 26, 2024

>>> HELLO, EVERYONE.

WELCOME TO "AMANPOUR & COMPANY."

HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP.

>>> AN EARTH SHATTERING MONTH IN U.S.

POLITICS.

WE REFLECT ON WHAT IT MEANS FOR AMERICA AND THE WORLD WITH VETERAN DIPLOMAT RICHARD HAASS.

>> AND WHO WOULD THINK OF A 13-YEAR-OLD AS A TERRORIST?

>> ISIS TARGETS TEENAGERS THREATENING EUROPEAN SECURITY AS THE OLYMPIC GETS UNDERWAY.

WE BRING YOU A REPORT ON THE EXTREMIST GROUP'S FRESH ATTEMPTS TO RADICALIZE YOUNG PEOPLE ONLINE.

>>> THEN -- >> 3, 2, 1.

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>> WILD, WILD SPACE.

MY CONVERSATION WITH DIRECTOR ROSS KAUFFMAN AND TECH JOURNALIST ASHLEY VANCE ABOUT THEIR NEW DOCUMENTARY TRACKING THE INTENSE RIVALRY BETWEEN ROCKET COMPANIES.

>>> ALSO AHEAD, THE LEGACY OF JOE BIDEN.

THEY REFLECT ON THE PRESIDENT'S TERM AND WHAT'S TO COME.

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>>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

I'M SITTING IN FOR CHRIST IANE AMA AMANPOUR.

TOMORROW MARKS ONE MONTH SINCE THE CNN PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, A MONTH THAT UP ENDED EVERYTHING AND MAY HAVE CHANGED THE COURSE OF HISTORY.

A WEAKENED PRESIDENT BIDEN PRESSURED BY HIS PARTY TO STEP ASIDE AND EMBOLDEN DONALD TRUMP WHO SURVIVED AN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT.

AN UNPRECEDENTED DECISION BY BIDEN TO DROP OUT OF THE RACE AND A RISE TO THE TOP BY VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS WHO'S ALL BUT SECURED HER PARTY'S NOMINATION.

IT HAS BEEN A WHIRLWIND FOUR WEEKS CAPPED BY BIDEN'S ADDRESS TO THE NATION ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

>> I REVERE THIS OFFICE.

I LOVE MY CON TRY MORE.

IT'S BEEN THE HONOR OF MY LIFE TO SERVE AS YOUR PRESIDENT.

BUT IN THE DEFENSE OF DEMOCRACY, WHICH IS AT STAKE, I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY TITLE.

I DECIDED THE BEST WAY FORWARD IS TO PASS THE TORCH TO A NEW GENERATION.

>> A NEW GENERATION, HE SAID, AND A YOUNGER GENERATION.

THE WORLD HAS CLOSELY FOLLOWED EVERY EXTRAORDINARY TWIST AND THE CONSEQUENCES ARE ENORMOUS, PARTICULARLY WITH THE WARS IN UKRAINE AND GAZA AND AN EMBOLDENED CHINA AND RUSSIA.

RICHARD HAASS JOINS THE PROGRAM TO DIGEST THIS MOMENTOUS MONTH AND WHAT A MONTH IT HAS BEEN, RICHARD.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

I WANT TO BEGIN WITH THE PRESIDENT'S HISTORIC SPEECH FROM THE OVAL OFFICE.

CLEARLY AN EMOTIONAL MOMENT FOR HIM.

WE SAW BEHIND THE SCENES PHOTOS AFTER THE SPEECH WITH HIS FAMILY SITTING THERE NEARBY.

HE REALLY CHARACTERIZED AMERICA AS BEING AT AN INFLECTION POINT RIGHT NOW AND THAT THIS ELECTION REPRESENTS A CHOICE BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT VISIONS FOR THE COUNTRY.

THAT IS SOMETHING HE'S ESPOUSED FOR A COUPLE OF HIS CAMPAIGNS NOW AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT HE WAS GOING TO BE PUSHING INTO NOV NOVAKOVA.

THINGS CHANGED NOW.

I'M WONDERING WHAT YOUR PERCEPTION IS NOW OF THAT ELECTION AND THE DIFFERENCE, THE STARK DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT A HARRIS CAMPAIGN BRINGS AND WHAT A SECOND TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WOULD BRING.

>> WELL, THANKS, BRIANNA.

I THOUGHT THE PRESIDENT'S SPEECH LAST NIGHT WAS DRAMATIC BUT NOT MELLOW DRAMATIC.

IF YOU LOOK AT MODERN HISTORY SINCE WORLD WAR II, IN EVERY CASE SINCE 2016, 2020 NOW THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATES IN THIS COUNTRY WAS FAR GREATER THAN THE DIFFERENCES.

THAT'S NOT THE CASE NOW.

YOU HAVE VERY DIFFERENT VIEWS OF THE WORLD.

SOON WE'LL PROBABLY TALK ABOUT SPECIFICS OF THE WAR IN UKRAINE, ABOUT TAIWAN, ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT ISRAEL AND GAZA.

I THINK IT REFLECTS AN EVEN LARGER DIFFERENCE ABOUT WHETHER THE POST WORLD WAR II INHERITANCE, THE ALLIANCE SYSTEM, THE INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTIONS IS ESSENTIALLY WORTH KEEPING, WHICH IS THE BIDEN/HARRIS APPROACH OR WHETHER IT MERITS OVERTURNING, SOMETHING MUCH MORE RADICAL, WHICH ONE IS SENSING FROM DONALD TRUMP AND FROM J.D.

VANCE.

THEN DOMESTICALLY, VERY DIFFERENT VIEWS OF THE ECONOMY, THE SOCIETY, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GOVERNMENTS AND INDIVIDUALS, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE ABORTION SPACE, DIFFERENT POLICIES ON IMMIGRATION.

SO THIS IS A STARK CHOICE AND AS THE PRESIDENT SAID, IT'S NOT ON THE BALLOT BUT IT IS ON THE BALLOT, WHICH IS DEMOCRACY.

A VERY DIFFERENT VIEW ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN INDIVIDUALS AND THE GOVERNMENT.

SO I DO THINK THIS IS AN ELECTION WITH REAL CHOICES, REAL, REAL CONSEQUENCES.

BY THE WAY, NOT SIMPLY FOR THE UNITED STATES BUT FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD.

THEY MAY NOT GET A CHANCE TO VOTE BUT THEY ARE AFFECTED NEVERTHELESS BY WHAT HAPPENS HERE.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE STAKES.

YOU SIGNED A LETTER ALONG WITH SOME OF AMERICA'S MOST SENIOR FOREIGN POLICY LEADERS EXPRESSING YOUR CONFIDENCE IN KAMALA HARRIS SAYING, QUOTE, SHE'S THE BEST QUALIFIED PERSON TO LEAD OUR NATION AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

I KNOW YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME.

YOU KNOW PRESIDENT BIDEN VERY WELL.

WE SHOULD NOTE SHORTLY AFTER THAT DEBATE YOU ALSO SAID THAT HE SHOULD STEP ASIDE, THAT IT WAS TIME FOR HIM TO PASS THE BATON TO SOMEONE ELSE.

SO THAT FINALLY THREE WEEKS LATER HAS HAPPENED.

HAVE YOU SPENT MUCH TIME SPEAKING WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT ON THESE ISSUES?

WHAT GIVES YOU THE ASSURANCE THAT SHE IS THE RIGHT PERSON?

>> I HAVEN'T SPENT MUCH TIME IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS BUT WE HAVE SPENT TIME OVER, WHAT, THE LAST FIVE YEARS MEETING AND TALKING, BOTH WHEN SHE WAS A CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT, WHEN SHE WAS THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE AND THEN WHEN SHE WAS VICE PRESIDENT.

SO I'VE MET HER IN ALL INCARNATIONS, ACTUALLY BEFORE THAT, SO WE HAVE HAD ANY NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY, ABOUT THE WORLD.

SHE'S HAD THE BEST TRAINING YOU CAN GET, WHICH IS BEING VICE PRESIDENT.

SHE'S HAD 3 1/2 YEARS UP CLOSE IN "THE SITUATION ROOM", IN THE OVAL OFFICE AND I ACTUALLY THINK THAT'S THE SINGLE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO GET A FEEL FOR THE ISSUES, HOW FOREIGN POLICY IS MADE.

SHE'S TRAVELED AROUND THE WORLD MEETING FOREIGN LEADERS.

SO IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE A BETTER PREPARATION FOR BEING PRESIDENT THAN BEING VICE PRESIDENT.

FOREIGN POLICY HAS NOT BEEN ON THE BACK BURNER.

IT'S BEEN VERY MUCH ON THE FRONT BURNER.

>> ON ISSUES RELATED TO FOREIGN POLICY, IT'S EXPECTED THAT A HARRIS CAMPAIGN WILL BE CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH A BIDEN/HARRIS ADMINISTRATION ON ISSUES LIKE UKRAINE, ON ASIA, ON ALLIANCES BUT I DO WANT TO ASK YOU SPECIFICALLY ON THE ISSUE OF ISRAEL AND THE GAZA WAR BECAUSE AT LEAST DURING THE ADMINISTRATION SHE PLAYED A ROLE AND PUBLICLY SPOKE OUT MUCH MORE PASSIONATELY ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF PALESTINIANS AND ABOUT THE DEATH TOLL THERE, THE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS.

SOME MAY HAVE INTERPRETED THAT, LISTEN, THIS IS THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAVING HER FOCUS ON THE PLIGHT OF THE PALESTINIANS AND BEING TOUGHER ON ISRAEL AND HE WAS THERE GIVING THE HUG TO ISRAEL.

ARE WE READING TOO MUCH INTO THE DAYLIGHT ABOUT HOW THEY MAY PERCEIVE THE ISSUE, THE REGION AND THE U.S./ISRAEL RELATIONSHIP OR DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE A STARK DIFFERENCE?

>> I THINK THERE IS SOME DAYLIGHT.

IN PART, IT'S GENERATIONAL.

JOE BIDEN COMES FROM A GENERATION, OBVIOUSLY OLDER.

I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT FOR THE PRESIDENT TO DISAGREE WITH ISRAEL.

FOR 9, 10 MONTHS HE HAS PATIENTLY BEEN ADVISING THE ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER ABOUT WHAT WE, THE UNITED STATES THINK IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.

LET'S BE HONEST.

LET'S BE BLUNT.

MOST OF THAT ADVICE HAS BEEN REJECTED.

ISRAEL HAS GONE ABOUT THE WAR IN GAZA IN WAYS THE UNITED STATES HAS SPECIFICALLY ASKED IT NOT TO.

IT HAS NOT PUT FORWARD IDEAS WHAT COMES AFTER IN GAZA.

THE IT'S NOT PUT FORTH ANYTHING FOR THE PALESTINIANS IN THE WEST BANK TO WORK WITH.

THE SO I THINK -- I THINK IT HASN'T BEEN A SUCCESS, I'LL JUST BE BLUNT.

IT'S NOT SIMPLY THEN SUPPORT FOR PALESTINIANS.

WHAT YOU COULD SEE FROM THE VICE PRESIDENT AS SHE BECOMES A CANDIDATE IS GREATER WILLINGNESS TO DIFFERENTIATE HOER SELF FROM ISRAEL.

DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE ANTI-ISRAEL WHEN YOU DO THAT.

I'M PREPARED TO HAVE THE ARGUMENT WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE PRO ISRAEL?

IF THEY ARE DOING THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE UNITED STATES, YOU HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SPEAK OUT.

SO I WOULD EXPECT AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT AND AS A CANDIDATE AND IF SHE WERE TO GET ELECTED AS PRESIDENT WOULD BE WILLING TO STAKE OUT A MORE INDEPENDENT AMERICAN POSITION, FOR EXAMPLE, PUSHING PUBLICLY FOR WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN GAZA, PUSHING PUBLICLY ABOUT SETTLEMENTS AND WHY THEY NEED TO BE STOPPED, PUSHING PUBLICLY ABOUT WHAT OUGHT TO BE THE CONTOURS OF A PALESTINIAN STATE, THE CONDITIONS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MET BEFORE THE UNITED STATES COULD SUPPORT IT.

SO I ACTUALLY THINK THERE'S LOTS OF AREA WHERE AN AMERICAN EITHER CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT OR PRESIDENT SHOULD BE WILLING TO DIFFERENTIATE IN THIS CASE HERSELF FROM THE ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER.

>> THIS IS SOME OF THE ADVICE YOU HAVE GIVEN TO PRESIDENT BIDEN HIMSELF AND YOU HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF WHAT APPEAR TO BE AT TIMES PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU SETTING THE AGENDA AND PUBLICLY AIRING SOME OF THE BEHIND THE SCENES DIFFERENCES AND DISPUTES.

BUT BETWEEN THE TWO ALLIES YOU ALSO SUGGESTED OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR THAT IT WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN TO GIVE A SPEECH BEFORE THE KINNESSET.

WE'VE SEEN HIM SPEAKING BEFORE A JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS.

WOULD YOU ADVISE THE VICE PRESIDENT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL TO TRAVEL TO ISRAEL AND TO ADDRESS THE KINNESSET?

>> I WOULD HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT BUT MY GUESS, BRIANNA, THAT WOULD BE A CANDIDATE AS PRESIDENT.

IT'S NOT CLEAR WHO YOU WOULD BE SPEAKING FOR.

I THOUGHT THE PRESIDENT SHOULD VISIT ISRAEL.

I WAS NOT THRILLED WITH YESTERDAY'S ADDRESS AND WHAT HE SAID AND WHAT HE DIDN'T.

I LIKE THE IDEAS OF THE PRESIDENT SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THE ISRAELI PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT IT IS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND WHY.

I THINK IF SHE WERE ELECTED I THINK, YES, AT SOME POINT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A PRESIDENT HARRIS GO TO ISRAEL AND, IF YOU WILL, SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER.

I'D SAY THE SAME THING IF DONALD TRUMP WERE ELECTED.

THE MEASURE OF BEING PRO ISRAEL IS NOT TO GIVE UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S BASED ON.

URGE THEN PRIVATELY TO DO OR NOT DO THINGS.

AIR OUR PREFERENCES AS TO WHY.

MENT IF ISRAEL WON'T TAKE OUR ADVICE THEN I THINK WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO PUBLICLY REACT WITH WORDS OR POSSIBLY INDEPENDENT POLICIES OF OUR OWN.

>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU IS EXTREMELY UNPOPULAR RIGHT NOW AMONG ISRAELIS.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM LEAVE OFFICE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

IT'S PROBABLY FAIR TO SAY HE WOULDN'T HAVE RECEIVED THAT KIND OF REACTION IN RESPONSE SPEAKING BEFORE THE KINNESSET THAN HE WOULD SPEAKING BEFORE CONGRESS.

LET ME TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT A HARRIS CAMPAIGN AND ADMINISTRATION WOULD HAVE IN HER IN BOX AS YOU LIKE TO SAY.

THE ISSUES EXCEED FAR BEYOND THE WAR IN GAZA.

SHE SEEMS TO BE INHERITING A WAR IN UKRAINE.

OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF CONCERN AND FOCUS ON CHINA AND TAIWAN.

THERE'S LATIN AMERICA.

THERE'S THE BORDER CRISIS.

THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.

WHAT WOULD BE SOME OF HER TOP PRIORITIES?

>> WELL, LET'S VERY QUICKLY GO THROUGH THEM.

WITH UKRAINE, A VERY STRONG STATEMENT OF LONG-TERM AMERICAN MILITARY SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE RUSSIAN AGGRESSION SHOULD NOT SUC SUCCEED.

AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T THINK IT'S REALISTIC TO SAY OUR DEFINITION OF SUCCESS IS UKRAINE IS GOING TO MILITARILY LIBERATE ALL OF THE LANDS THAT ARE RIGHTFULLY THEIRS, CRIME A AND THE EAST.

PERHAPS AN ARMISTICE OR INTERIM CEASE-FIRE.

I WOULD HOPE THAT CONVERSATION WOULD BEGIN PRIVATELY WITH UKRAINE AND AT SOME POINT IN PUBLIC.

2025, 2026 THERE COULD BE A MOMENT FOR FINALLY SOME DIPLOMACY.

I THINK IT ONLY HAPPENS WHEN RUSSIA IS PERSUADED THE COST OF WAR IS GREAT AND MORE WAR WON'T BE TO THEIR BENEFIT.

TAIWAN, WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR.

PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID WE'RE AN INSURANCE COMPANY.

NO.

I THINK CHINA NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THEY DO NOT HAVE A GREEN LIGHT TO USE AGGRESSION AGAINST TAIWAN AS "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" POINTED OUT.

THAT'S THE END OF THE AMERICAN ALLIANCE SYSTEM THAT HAS WORKED TO KEEP ORDER AND PEACE IN WHAT IS ARGUABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE WORLD GOING INTO THE 21st CENTURY, WHICH IS THE ASIA PACIFIC.

YES, WE'VE GOT TO DO MORE ABOUT OUR BORDER.

IT'S GOT TO BE MUCH MORE CLOSED, BUT WE'VE ALSO GOT TO HAVE MECHANISMS FOR DEALING WITH LEGITIMATE ASYLUM CASES, FOR DEALING WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

THE QUESTION IS AFTER THE ELECTION WHETHER THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY OF TEEING UP AGAIN WHAT WAS TEED UP A FEW MONTHS AGO, WHICH IS THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME TYPE OF COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH.

THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF FOREIGN POLICY ISSUES AS YOU SAY THAT WILL PILE UP IN THE INBOX.

>> ANOTHER TRUMP ADMINISTRATION INBOX WOULD HAVE ITS OWN POLICIES, AND WE'VE SEEN THEM LAID OUT EXPLICITLY.

THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS BEEN VERY VOCAL ABOUT WHAT ANOTHER TERM WOULD LOOK LIKE.

THIS ONE WOULD BE -- EHE'D BE A BIT MORE COMFORTABLE IN THE JOB.

HE'S HAD EXPERIENCE.

THEY WOULD BE IN LOCK STEP, I WOULD IMAGINE, WITH HIS LAST TERM IN THE SENSE THAT HE IS VERY -- HE'S DUBIOUS ABOUT ALLIANCES.

HE'S VERY TRANSACTIONAL.

WHAT WE HEARD THROUGH THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION, WHAT WAS ALL ABOUT PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH IN AN ARGUMENT THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO ADMINISTRATIONS IS THAT THESE WARS NEVER OCCURRED IN A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

WHAT PRIORITIES WOULD YOU HAVE IN A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE MOST, THAT YOU'RE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT?

>> WHAT I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS BACKING OFF FROM SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE AND WHAT I WOULD HOPE IS THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WOULD, AGAIN, SUPPORT UKRAINE AS A WAY OF TEEING UP NEGOTIATIONS.

NOT WAR FOR THE PURPOSE OF WAR.

BUT WAR FOR THE PURPOSES OF SETTING UP PEACE AND CHALLENGE OUR RUSSIA.

MR. TRUMP BRAGS ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN.

HERE'S A TIME TO TEST IT, TO BASICALLY SAY WE CALL UPON YOU TO STAND DOWN, TO ACCEPT AN INTERIM CEASE-FIRE.

RUSSIA HAS DREAMS FOR UKRAINE THAT WILL NOT BE REALIZED, SO WHAT I'M HOPING IS HE PUSHES BACK AGAINST PUTIN.

I'D LIKE PRESIDENT TRUMP TO RETHINK HIS WILLINGNESS TO MOVE AWAY FROM TAIWAN THAT HE COMMUNICATED IN THE LONG BLOOMBERG INTERVIEW THE OTHER DAY.

I WOULD HOPE HE WOULD NOT GIVE ISRAEL UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT.

I'M NOT SURE IT'S IN ISRAEL'S INTERESTS.

IT'S NOT IN OURS.

I THINK HE'S WELL POSITIONED TO HAVE A STRONG POSITION OVER THE BORDER.

THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE MASSIVE DEPORTATIONS.

THAT'S A NON-STARTER.

I THINK THE BIG ISSUE FORDONALD TRUMP IS WHETHER HIS RELATIONSHIP IN THE WORLD -- YOU WERE GETTING AT IT.

TO WHAT EXTENT DOES HE STRENGTHEN ALLIANCES.

YES, GET MORE FROM ALLIES IN EUROPE AND MAKE CLEAR WHAT WE ARE PREPARED TO DO AND NOT SIMPLY SEE EVERYBODY THROUGH AN ECONOMIC LENS.

HIS APPROACH TO THE WORLD IS NOT GEOPOLITICAL BUT ECONOMIC.

WE PUT TARIFFS ON EVERYBODY AND WE'RE ESSENTIALLY -- WE'RE WILLING TO BE BOUGHT OFF IF WE GET WHAT WE WANT AT THE TRADE FRONT.

WE'RE WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON GEOPOLITICAL CONCERNS.

I WOULD HOPE THAT WOULD NOT COME TO PASS DURING A SECOND TRUMP PRESIDENCY.

>> I WANT TO ASK YOU WHAT WE HEARD FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN THIS WEEK AND VERY AMBITIOUS LIST OF THINGS THAT HE STILL WANTS TO ACHIEVE OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OF HIS LAME DUCK TERM AS WE WOULD DESCRIBE IT.

IF THERE WAS ONE INITIATIVE THAT HAD THE BEST CHANCE OF GETTING DONE IN WHAT HE LAID OUT, WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE?

>> AS MUCH AS I LIKE REFORMS TO THE SUPREME COURT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

HE DOES HAVE, BY THE WAY, AS YOU SAID, SIX MONTHS.

THAT'S 12, 13% OF HIS TERM.

THIS IS A MEANINGFUL AMOUNT OF TIME.

I THINK THE TWO ISSUES WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE A REAL PUSH FOR A DIPLOMATIC INITIATIVE ON UKRAINE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE STRONGER SUPPORT FOR TAIWAN AND I'D LIKE TO SEE HIM ARTICULATE VIEWS FOR BOTH THE FUTURE OF GAZA AND THE FUTURE OF THE ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN ISSUE.

>> LET'S REALLY CEMENT HIS LEGACY AS WELL.

RICHARD HAASS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> THANKS AGAIN FOR HAVING ME.

>>> NOW TO PARIS WHERE MILLIONS OF VISITORS AND THOUSANDS OF ATHLETES HAVE FLOCKED FOR THE SUMMER OLYMPIC GAMES BUT THE GREAT UNKNOWN FOR ORGANIZERS IS THE POTENTIAL RISK OF PROTESTS, CYBER ATTACKS AND TERRORISM.

ISIS, ONCE A DEFEATED TERROR GROUP, IS NOW BACK AND RADICALIZING TEENAGERS ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

NICK PEYTON WALSH HAS THE STORY.

>> ONCE BATTERED ISIS SEEMED CRUSHED IN SYRIA BUT HEAD OF THE FRENCH OLYMPICS, THEY'RE SEEING A TROUBLING RESURGENCE.

ONE DISTURBINGLY TARGETING TEENAGERS USING SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS LIKE TIKTOK TO RECRUIT.

ACCORDING TO A LANDMARK STUDY BY PETER NEWMAN, NEARLY 2/3 OF ISIS ARRESTS IN EUROPE IN THE PAST NINE MONTHS HAVE BEEN OF TEENAGERS.

>> WE'RE ALSO SEEING GROUPS LIKE ISK SPECIFICALLY TARGETING YOUNG TEENAGERS AND A LOT OF THESE YOUNG TEENAGERS, THEY MAY NOT BE VERY USEFUL.

THEY MAY MESS UP.

THEY MAY CHANGE THEIR MIND.

AT THE END OF THE DAY SOME OF THEM MAY ACTUALLY BE QUITE USEFUL, NOT LEAST BECAUSE THEY ARE LESS SUSPICIOUS.

WHO WOULD THINK OF A 13-YEAR-OLD AS A TERRORIST?

>> THIS COLLECTS PUBLIC DATA ON THE ARRESTS, SOME STARTLING.

TWO TEENS AGE 16 AND 18 ARRESTED IN APRIL AND MAY FOR PLOTS ON THE OLYMPICS, ONE WITH A BOMB BELT.

A 14-YEAR-OLD ON A MALL, A 15-YEAR-OLD ON A SYNAGOGUE AND 15 AND 18-YEAR-OLD PLOTTING TOGETHER.

GERMANY MADE ARRESTS OF AN 18-YEAR-OLD FOR A KNIFE ATTACK.

>> ISK IS THE MOST AMBITIOUS AND AGGRESSIVE PART OF ISIS RIGHT NOW.

WITH A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA OUTREACH, A LOT OF PLATFORMS LIKE TIKTOK ATTRACTING YOUNGER PEOPLE, TEENAGERS, YOUNG TEENAGERS ALMOST THROUGH ALGORITHMIC AMPLIFICATION DRAWING THEM INTO BUBBLES.

>> TIKTOK SAID THEY STAND AGAINST VIOLENT EXTREMISM AND TAKE DOWN 98% BEFORE IT'S REPORTED TO THEM.

THE NEW REACH OF ISIS'S REMNANTS EMERGES AS THEIR LATEST OFF CHUTE P. ISIS K BECOMES FOCUSED ON THE POWERFUL NEARBY TURKEY.

THEY TOLD CNN THE SO-CALLED DIRECTED TERROR THREAT PLOTS INSTRUCTED FROM AFAR HAVE BECOME A GREATER CONCERN OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS WITH ISIS K THE MOST POTENT GROUP UNDER SCRUTINY.

THEY REAPPEARED VIOLENTLY IN ISTANBUL WITH THIS BRUTAL ATTACK ON A CATHOLIC CHURCH.

TURKISH COURT DOCUMENTS GOTTEN BY CNN PORTRAY AN ATTACK.

ONE SAID THEY DELETE THE TELEGRAM MESSAGING ACCOUNTS EVERY 15 TO 20 DAYS AS A PRECAUTION.

AFTER HE WOULD CONTACT ME WITH ANOTHER USER NAME.

TURKISH POLICE HAVE LAUNCHED A VAST ARRAY OF CAMPAIGNS.

LAST YEAR 426 ISIS SUSPECTS WERE ARRESTED IN 122 OPERATIONS.

YET ISIS K'S AMBITION GROWS WITH EXPERTS FEARING THEY SEEK TO MAKE THEIR BRUTAL NAME AND THAT THE RED LIGHTS OF TERROR ARE BLENGING AGAIN.

>> OUR THANKS TO NICK PEYTON WALSH REPORTING THERE.

>>> NOW JUST ABOVE OUR HEADS A NEW SPACE RACE IS UNDERWAY.

IT'S NO LONGER SUPER POWERS LEADING THE CHARGE.

NOW A HANDFUL OF TECH COMPANIES AND BILLIONAIRES ARE VYING FOR THEIR PIECE OF THE SKY LAUNCHING SATELLITES AND LOW EARTH ORBIT.

THEY IMPACT EVERYTHING FROM GPS AND PACKAGE DELIVERY TO WEATHER TRACKING AND INTELLIGENCE GATHERING.

A NEW HBO DOCUMENTARY "WILD, WILD SPACE" DELVES INTO THE FORTUNES AND FAILURES OF THE SPACE PIONEERS AND THE POWER THEY HOLD IN A RACE THAT IS RESHAPING OUR WORLD.

>> 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

GO!

>> YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THE BILLIONAIRE SPACE RACE.

>> [ BLEEP ].

>> THIS ISN'T THAT MOVIE.

WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF A REVOLUTION IN SPACE.

IT'S LIKE THE WILD WEST.

>> I SPOKE WITH ROSS KAUFFMAN, THE DIRECTOR OF THE FILM, AND ASHLEY VANCE, THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK THAT INSPIRED IT AND A TECH JOURNALIST FOR BLOOMBERG.

TAKE A LISTEN.

>> ROSS AND ASHLEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING THE PROGRAM.

WHAT A FUN FILM, "WILD, WILD SPACE."

OBVIOUSLY A PLAY ON THE WORD WILD, WILD WEST.

YOU'VE OPENED VIEWERS UP TO A NEW FRONTIER, AND THAT IS SPACE EXPLORATION, PARTICULARLY IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

ASHLEY, THIS IS AN INDUSTRY YOU'VE BEEN COVERING SO CLOSELY FOR MANY YEARS.

IT'S FASCINATING TO SEE HOW MUCH IT'S GROWN EXPONENTIALLY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS WITH REGARDS TO TECHNOLOGY, INNOVATION, FINANCE, INVESTMENT AND REAL INTEREST.

LET'S JUST START WITH A NUMBER OF SATELLITES THAT WE SAW IN SPACE BECAUSE PRIOR TO 2020 THERE WERE ABOUT 2500.

THAT IS GROWING NOW MORE THAN DOUBLED AND YOU'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THAT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW EXPONENTIALLY.

HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE EVERYDAY AMERICAN, EVERYDAY HUMAN ON PLANET EARTH?

>> IT'S JUST A HUGE CHANGE.

YOU KNOW, FOR 50 OR 60 YEARS SPACE REALLY WAS GOVERNED BY A HANDFUL OF GOVERNMENTS.

THEY MOVED RELATIVELY SLOWLY.

IT WAS QUITE CONTROLLED.

WEALTHY PEOPLE IN THE PAST AND CORPORATIONS HAD TRIED TO COMMERCIALIZE SPACE AND FAILED OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS.

AND THEN AS YOU MENTIONED, IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS THIS ALL SUDDENLY STARTED TO CLICK.

AND SO WITH THE BOOK AND THE FILM, I JUST WANTED TO -- YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THEY'RE BOTH FUNNY.

THEY'RE GENERALLY OPTIMISTIC IN A LOT OF WAYS, BUT I WANTED PEOPLE TO BE AWARE THAT THIS REGIME THAT HAD BEEN IN PLACE FOR DECADES WHERE GOVERNMENTS CONTROLLED SPACE HAS CHANGED AND NOW COMPANIES NOW CONTROL SPACE.

THIS IS GOING TO HAVE A BIG DEAL FOR THE REST OF US.

PEOPLE HEAR ABOUT STARLINK WHICH IS SPACEX'S SATELLITE.

WE'RE IMAGING OUR PLANET LIKE NEVER BEFORE.

THERE'S AN INCREDIBLE ACTIVITY IN SPACE, SPACE TOURISM, GOING TO MARS, GOING TO THE MOON BUILDING A BUSINESS ABOVE US.

TO ME IT'S GOING TO IMPACT ALL OF OUR LIVES BECAUSE THIS IS THE NEXT STEP OF THE MODERN INFRASTRUCTURE BEING CREATED RIGHT ABOVE OUR HEADS.

>> AND IT'S IMPACTING EVERYDAY LIFE AS YOU SEE.

SO MUCH OF THE FILM AND WHAT MAKES IT WORK ARE THE RICH CHARACTERS AND ENTREPRENEURS WHO WERE FRIENDS, WHO WERE RIVALS WHO HAVE THIS VISION, THEIR OWN VISIONS, BUT A LOT OF THIS IS A CORROBORATION, A COLLABORATION BETWEEN THESE VISIONARIES AND ALSO BUSINESS MEN, TURNED BUSINESS MEN.

ROSS, LET'S TALK ABOUT THESE CHARACTERS.

THEY INCLUDE CHRIS KEMP, FOUNDER AND CEO OF ASTRO SPACE.

PETER BECK IS THE FOUNDER OF ROCKET LAB.

WILL MARSHALL THE CO-FOUNDER AND CEO OF PLANET LABS AND PETE WARDEN.

A RETIRED AIR FORCE GENERAL.

YOU COULD MAKE A FILM ABOUT EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS ON THEIR OWN.

WHAT SURPRISED YOU THE MOST WHEN YOU LEARNED MORE ABOUT THEIR BACKGROUNDS AND ABOUT THEIR VISIONS?

>> I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE SEVERAL AMAZING CHARACTERS TO CHOOSE FROM.

ASHLEY'S BOOK COVERS THE WHOLE WORLD AND A LOT OF THESE ENTREPRENEURS WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, WORKING IN THE SPACE.

SO AT A CERTAIN POINT WE HAD TO REALLY SORT OF CUT DOWN AND FIGURE OUT, ALL RIGHT, WHO ARE WE GOING TO CHOOSE?

WHO ARE WE GOING TO FOCUS ON?

AND AT A CERTAIN POINT I FELT THAT THERE WAS THIS IDEA OF A FOUND FAMILY, WHICH I LOVE.

A LOT OF MY FILMS END UP BEING ABOUT A FOUND FAMILY.

AND WHERE PETE'S A FATHER FIGURE TO THESE YOUNG -- YOUNG ENTREPRENEURS AND AT A CERTAIN POINT JUST ENGINEERS.

YOUNG SCIENTISTS AND PETE WARDEN FOUND THEM IN NASA, BROUGHT THEM INTO NASA.

>> LET'S PLAY A CLIP FEATURING ONE OF THESE CHARACTERS, CHRIS KEMP.

>> THIS IS THE LAST DAY IN OUR LAUNCH WINDOW.

>> WE'RE GOING TO GET IT THIS TIME.

IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> I THINK SO, TOO.

>> COUNTING DOWN.

>> 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

GO!

YEAH!

>> WHAT'S FASCINATING, ASHLEY, IS THAT SO MUCH OF THIS SUCCESS OF THESE COMPANIES, IN FACT, ALL OF THEIR SUCCESS IS BASED ON JUST A FEW SECONDS OF ALL OF THEIR HARD WORK, YEARS OF COLLABORATION, YEARS OF INVESTMENT.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THESE LAUNCHES AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE PROVEN TO BE A SUCCESS AND EVEN WATCHING THIS, I WAS WATCHING IT WITH MY 12-YEAR-OLD, SORT OF A NAIL BITER.

DO YOU THINK IT WILL LAUNCH?

DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE A SUCCESS?

I DON'T KNOW.

AT SOME POINT THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN SUCCESSES BUT IT IS INTERESTING AS YOU CHRONICLE IN THE BOOK AND WE SEE IN THE FILM, THEY ALL HAVE THEIR PEAKS AND VALLEYS.

IT EBBS AND FLOWS IN IT TERMS OF SUCCESS, AND I GUESS THAT'S THE -- THAT'S THE MODEL, RIGHT?

IT'S A BIG RISK THAT COMES WITH A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY, BUT A LOT OF POTENTIAL LOSS, TOO.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, IT WAS ONE OF THE JOYS OF MAKING THIS MOVIE IS I THINK MOST PEOPLE ANY TIME WE'VE SEEN A SPACE STORY HISTORICALLY, IT'S OUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST, MAYBE THERE'S A PROBLEM.

IT'S BEING SOLVED BY THESE, YOU KNOW, ROOMFUL OF A THOUSAND M.I.T.

Ph.d.s.

IT TENDS TO BE GLORIOUS AFFAIRS AND WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW, WHAT WE WANTED TO SHOW IN THIS FILM IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE DAY TO DAY.

IT IS THE MOST BINARY INDUSTRY YOU CAN BE IN.

YOUR PRODUCT EITHER WORKS OR IT BLOWS UP IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY ELSE.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF STRUGGLE THAT GOES INTO THAT.

THAT CLIP WITH ASTRA, THAT WAS ONE OF THE FEW MOMENTS WHERE EVERYTHING WORKS RIGHT AND EVERYTHING ON THESE ROCKETS HAS TO WORK EVERY TIME OR YOUR BUSINESS EVAPORATES.

>> ROSS, I'M WONDERING AS OPPOSED TO ASHLEY WHO SPENT A LOT OF TIME FOCUSING ON THIS SPECIFIC AREA, FOR YOU I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WAS NOT THE CASE.

WHAT DID YOU ELEVEN COMING OUT OF THIS PROJECT IN THE SENSE THAT THE TAKE AWAY FROM YOU IS NOT THAT THIS WAS JUST AN INVESTMENT I WOULD IMAGINE IN BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES, BUT IT'S ALSO AN INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE AND HOW IT IMPACTS OUR LIVES HERE ON EARTH.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I WAS KIND OF TAKEN BY THE IDEA THAT NO ONE -- WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS AREA OF SPACE RIGHT NOW.

THE LOWER THIRD OF IT HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL BUT IT ALSO IS FRAUGHT WITH ISSUES AND DIFFICULTIES LAKE WE'RE DEALING WITH DOWN HERE ON EARTH.

>> EXPLAY LOW EARTH ORBIT.

THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THIS TAKES PLACE.

>> GO AHEAD, ASHLEY.

>> THIS IS PART OF THE HEART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT IS, AGAIN, PEOPLE FOCUS SO MUCH ON SPACE TOURISM AND ALL OF THESE THINGS.

LOW EARTH ORBIT IS WHERE THE ACTION IS, WHERE THE MONEY IS.

IT'S ABOUT 120 MILES UP.

IT STARTS 120 MILES UP FROM THE SURFACE OF EARTH.

IT'S REALLY WHERE MOST OF OUR SATELLITES GO.

SO MOST OF OUR COMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE, IMAGING, SCIENCE IS TAKING PLACE IN THAT AREA.

I THINK OF IT AS KIND OF LIKE A COMPUTING SHELL THAT'S SURROUNDING THE PLANET.

YES, THAT'S THE HEART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS FILM.

>> ROSS, CONTINUE YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT THE PERILS AND THE REWARDS OF WHAT'S TAKING PLACE HERE IN LOW EARTH ORBIT.

>> YEAH.

THERE'S SO MUCH AT STAKE.

IT REALLY IS CONTROLLED BY A FEW.

OF COURSE, THERE'S ELON MUSK, BUT THERE ARE THESE SATELLITE COMPANIES THAT ARE LOOKING DOWN ON US EVERY DAY.

NOW THEY CAN BE DOING SOME AMAZING WORK AND SOME WORK THAT HELPS THE PLANET.

THEY CAN LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENT.

THEY CAN REALLY DO INCREDIBLE THINGS, BUT THEN ALSO ON THE FLIP SIDE THERE'S PRIVACY ISSUES.

AND THERE'S HUGE -- THERE'S SUCH A RESPONSIBILITY FOR THESE PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS TO HOPEFULLY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS AND DO THE RIGHT THING BUT IT'S CAPITALISM AND A LOT OF TIMES IT COMES DOWN TO IT.

>> ASHLEY, YOU WROTE A BOOK, ONE OF THE FIRST MUSK BIOGRAPHIES.

IT'S FUNNY HOW YOU TALK ABOUT IT IN THE FILM AND ELON'S REACTION TO THAT.

YOU STILL COMMUNICATE THOUGH SO I'M NOT -- I'M HE NOT SURE WHAT YOUR RELATIONSHIP IS AT THIS POINT, BUT WITHOUT TAKING AWAY ANY CREDIT THAT HE REALLY DESERVES ABOUT THE INVESTMENT THAT HE MADE IN THIS FIELD IN PARTICULAR WITH STARLINK AND THE IMPACT THOSE SATELLITES HAVE HAD AROUND THE WORLD AND WE'VE COME TO KNOW THEM IN OUR VERNACULAR COVERING THE WAR IN UKRAINE, FOR EXAMPLE, IT DOES RAISE THE QUESTION OF HOW MUCH POWER CAN ONE MAN HAVE?

IS THIS SORT OF A BENEVOLENT DICTATORSHIP THAT CAN BE TURNED OFF AND ON REGARDING HIS CONTROL OVER THESE SATELLITES AND HAVING THE CAPABILITY THAT NO GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES, REALLY HAS.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, WE'RE IN A NEW ERA.

YOU MENTIONED EARLIER GOING FROM 2500 SATELLITES IN 2020, WE JUST CROSSED OVER 10,000, YOU KNOW, SO THIS NUMBER HAS BEEN DOUBLING ALMOST EVERY YEAR.

SPACEX IS THE LARGEST DRIVER OF THIS HUGE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF SATELLITES.

STARLINK HAS THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF SATELLITES AND IS THE WORLD'S BIGGEST SATELLITE COMPANY.

YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, A LOT OF THIS IS THE FUNCTION OF ELON AND SPACEX MOVING VERY QUICKLY AND DOING WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAD ONLY DREAMED OF.

THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAS SPENT DECADES HOPING TO MAKE THE SATELLITE INTERNET SYSTEM AND JUST KIND OF FAILED TO DO IT, BUT NOW WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS SPOT WHERE THIS ONE INDIVIDUAL, THIS ONE VERY MERCURIAL INDIVIDUAL AND ONE COMPANY HAS NO RIVAL IN SPACE.

THERE ARE SOME COMING.

THIS IT ISSUE WILL LESSEN OVER TIME, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW IF ELON WANTS STARLINK WORKING IN UKRAINE, HE CAN HAVE THAT.

IF HE WANTS TO TURN IT OFF IN DIFFERENT REGIONS AS HE HAS DONE IN THE PAST, HE CAN DO THAT.

THE THERE REALLY IS NO BACKSTOP THAT THE EUROPEAN GOVERNMENT HAS, EVEN THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT HAS OR THE U.S.

I THINK WE SEE THIS PATTERN REPEATING AS BILLIONAIRES TAKE ON MORE AND MORE OF THE ROLE THAT MAYBE GOVERNMENTS HAD IN THE PAST.

LIKE TODAY THE WORLD'S LARGEST AI SUPER COMPUTERS ARE NOT BEING BUILT BY GOVERNMENTS, THEY'RE BEING BUILT BY COMPANIES LIKE OPENAI, MICROSOFT AND GOOGLE.

THIS IS PAR FOR THE COURSE IN THIS MODERN ERA.

>> GOVERNMENTS INCLUDING OUR OWN HERE IN THE STATES ARE CONTRACTING OUT TO THESE COMPANIES.

I MEAN, THAT'S HOW THEY GAIN LUSTER AND MOMENTUM AND INVESTMENT IS WHEN THEY CAN WIN THAT BIG GOVERNMENT CONTRACT.

QUITE A DIFFERENCE FROM WHERE THINGS WERE A FEW DECADES AGO.

LET ME ASK YOU, ROSS, ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'VE BECOME VERY FAMILIAR WITH, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO COVERING WARS NOW, AND THAT IS OPEN SOURCE REPORTING.

A LOT OF THAT IS THANKS TO THESE SATELLITE IMAGES.

PLANET LABS IS ONE OF THE COMPANIES THAT'S FEATURED HEFLLY R IN THIS FILM.

THAT'S THEIR AREA OF FOCUS.

LET US SHOW A CLIP AND TALK ABOUT IT.

>> PLANET WAS THE VERY FIRST COMPANY EVER ABLE TO TAKE A PHOTO OF EVERY SPOT ON EARTH EVERY DAY.

THIS IS USEFUL FOR A LOT OF THINGS.

YOU CAN GATHER ENVIRONMENTAL DATA AROUND DEFORESTATION, LAND USE, DROUGHT.

YOU CAN HELP A FARMER DECIDE WHEN TO HARVEST THEIR CROPS.

>> THIS WAS A COMPANY AND WILL MARSHALL WHO WAS THE CO-FOUNDER AND CEO OF PLANET LABS, THIS WAS A COMPANY IN WATCHING THIS FILM, ROSS, WHERE I SAW INSTANTLY THE REAL LIFE IMPACT THAT A COMPANY LIKE THIS HAS ON OUR EVERYDAY LIFE HERE, WHETHER IT'S IN COVERING WARS, WHETHER IT'S COVERING CLIMATE.

I WAS WONDERING IF THIS WASN'T A TAKE AWAY, WOW, THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO IMAGINE.

THIS IS ALREADY HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I WAS JUST TAKEN WITH NOT ONLY WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE SATELLITE INDUSTRY AND WHAT WILL MARSHALL AND ROBBY AND PLANET LABS ARE DOING BUT THE FACT THAT THIS IS CONTROLLED BY A COUPLE OF VERY KIND OF GENIUS SCIENTISTS BUT ALSO IN THE BEGINNING THEY'RE WELL MEANING.

THEY'RE KIND OF SPACE HIPPIES.

AS THE FILM PROGRESSES WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S MORE TO IT.

IT'S VERY COMPLICATED.

THEY HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF RESPONSIBILITY AND, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE IS IN THE HANDS OF THESE YOUNG ENTREPRENEURS.

AND I KIND OF LIKEN IT TO THE INTERNET.

YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE GONE AWRY IN A WAY WITH THE INTERNET WITH SOCIAL MEDIA.

>> ALL OF THIS IS UNCHARTERED TERRITORY WITH REGARDS TO WHAT HAPPENS ON LOW EARTH ORBIT IN SPACE AS WELL.

MAYBE THERE ARE SOME LESSONS TO LEARN.

IT IS A FUN FILM TO WATCH.

A WILD RIDE.

IT BRINGS OUT THE BEST IN TERMS OF ENTREPRENEURSHIP, FEELING EXCITEMENT TO WATCH THESE LAUNCHES HAPPEN.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, ROSS AND ASHLEY.

APPRECIATE THE TIME.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> THE HBO ORIGINAL DOCUMENTARY FILM "WILD, WILD SPACE" IS AVAILABLE TO STREAM ON MAX.

RETURNING TO OUR TOP STORY.

JOE BIDEN'S FAREWELL TO THE OVAL OFFICE.

THIS DECISION IS AN ACT OF SELFLESSNESS.

HE JOINS WALTER ISAACSON TO DISCUSS THE PRESIDENT'S ADDRESS TO THE NATION, HIS LEGACY AND THE DYNAMICS WITH JUST OVER 100 DAYS TO GO UNTIL THE ELECTION.

>> THANK YOU.

WELCOME BACK.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> WHAT DID YOU THINK OF PRESIDENT BIDEN'S SPEECH EARLIER THIS WEEK EXPLAINING WHY HE WAS DROPPING OUT OF THE RACE?

>> JUST ON A PURELY HISTORICAL LEVEL, IT WAS A LANDMARK MOMENT.

WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE MUCH THESE, AS YOU KNOW, IN MORE THAN HALF A CENTURY.

A PRESIDENT WHO GETS UP AND SAYS, I'M ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO RUN FOR RE-ELECTION.

SO ON ITS -- JUST ON THAT BASIS IT WAS A REMARKABLE THING TO WATCH.

ON A HUMAN LEVEL IT WAS ALSO PERSONAL TO SEE THIS HUMAN, THIS MAN WRESTLING IN CLEAR WAYS.

I DON'T THINK, WALTER, THAT HE IS AT PEACE WITH THIS DECISION.

HE MAY NEVER BE AT PEACE WITH THIS CHOICE BUT I THINK HE IS CLEAR THAT THE POLITICAL REQUIREMENTS, THE POLITICAL JUDGMENT LEFT HIM NO OPTION BUT TO MAKE THIS CHANGE.

AND IN THAT WAY WE'RE WATCHING SOMETHING PLAY OUT ON THE PUBLIC STAGE THAT IS IN ITS OWN WAY INTIMATE AND I WAS QUITE STRUCK BY THAT.

>> YOU TALK ABOUT THE POLITICAL JUDGMENT FORCED HIM INTO THIS, BUT YOU SAW THAT SPEECH.

IT WAS CLEAR HE'S A LION IN WINTER, VERY MUCH IN WINTER, AND HE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE REAL ISSUE HERE.

HE DIDN'T -- COULD HE HAVE SAID SOMETHING LIKE, AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS, PAST YEAR, RECENTLY I'VE SLOWED DOWN A BIT.

WE'RE ALL GETTING OLDER.

IT'S TIME FOR A YOUNGER GENERATION TO COME ALONG?

>> YEAH, THAT WAS A -- IT WAS IN ITS WAY A CONSPICUOUS OMISSION.

HE COULDN'T BRING HIMSELF TO TALK ABOUT THE REALITY OF HIS PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS.

THIS IS A BLIND SPOT.

IT'S BEEN A PIECE OF HIM OVER TWO YEARS.

IT GOES BACK A LONG WAY.

I REMEMBER ASKING HIM PROBABLY A DECADE AGO HOW HE WOULD EVENTUALLY KNOW WHEN TO RETIRE.

BACK THEN HE WAS 71.

HE ANSWERED THE QUESTION BY SAYING I ONCE ENCOURAGED MY FATHER TO RETIRE AND I THINK NOW IT WAS A MISTAKE.

HE SAID, I THINK HE COULD HAVE KEPT WORKING.

IT WAS AN INTERESTING -- THAT WAS WHERE HIS MIND WENT TO THAT QUESTION.

HE'S ALWAYS BEEN ALERT TO THE SENSE THAT HE CAN SOMEHOW DEFY THE EXPECTATIONS, BUT I THINK WHEN HE GAVE THIS SPEECH HE WASN'T YET READY.

YOU COULD SEE IT ON HIS FACE.

EVEN THOUGH IN HIS VOICE IT WAS SOFT, DIMINISHED, RASPY, HE COULDN'T QUITE ADDRESS IT HEAD ON.

SO HE FRAMED IT IN THE LANGUAGE OF PROTECTING DEMOCRACY, PASSING THE BATON TO A NEW GENERATION.

THE ONLY MOMENT OF RECOGNITION TO THIS MOMENT OF AGE IS WHEN HE SAID IT'S TIME FOR NEW VOICES, FRESHER VOICES AND, YES, YOUNGER VOICES.

>> DO YOU THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN A COVERUP IN WAYS FROM HIS AGE AND EVEN PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF IN WASHINGTON WHO SEE HIM EVERY NOW AND THEN?

I MEAN, WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS?

>> I THINK SOMETIMES IT'S LESS ABOUT A COVERUP THAN IT WAS AN ACCUMULATION OF EVENTS AND ANXIETIES IN THE SENSE THAT YOU HAD THIS PERIOD IN WHICH HE WAS CLEARLY GETTING CRITICIZED FROM THE RIGHT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT HE WAS DECLINING.

SO THE WHITE HOUSE WENT INTO A DEFENSIVE CROUCH ABOUT THOSE KINDS OF CRITICISMS.

THEY SAID, WELL, THESE ARE BAD THINGS.

AND THEY DIDN'T TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY.

IT WAS KIND OF EASY TO DISMISS THEM WHEN THEY WERE COMING FROM THE FRINGES OF THE INTERNET.

THE REALITY WAS THAT THEY WERE BEGINNING TO LIMIT THE KINDS OF WAYS IN WHICH HE WOULD EXPOSE HIMSELF TO CRITICISM.

TAKING, FOR INSTANCE, THE SHORTER STAIRCASE DOWN AIR FORCE ONE.

THE AVOIDING EVENTS THAT MIGHT MAKE HIM LOOK WEAK.

BUT IT WASN'T AS IF THERE WERE PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO THOUGHT, WELL, WE HAVE TO KEEP THIS GUY COVERED UP AS FAR AS WE KNOW NOW AND I THINK THIS IS A CREDIBLE QUESTION THAT IS WORTHY OF MORE JOURNALISM, BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ODD FOR THEM TO PUSH FOR A DEBATE AS EARLY AS THEY DID.

TO PURSUE THAT KIND OF ENCOUNTER IF THEY THOUGHT HE WASN'T CAPABLE OF IT.

ON THE CONTRARY, THEY THOUGHT PUTTING HIM ON THAT STAGE OPPOSITE OF DONALD TRUMP WAS GOING TO RENOWNED TO BIDEN'S BENEFIT.

THEY WERE WRONG AND I THINK A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE WERE SHOCKED BY WHAT THEY SAW ON THAT DEBATE STAGE.

>> I WAS READING YOUR BOOK THAT CAME OUT RIGHT WHEN HE WAS TAKING OFFICE AS A PRESIDENT, AND YOU MENTION HIS SPEECH AT THE 2008 DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION AND HE SAYS, FAILURE AT SOME POINT IN YOUR LIFE IS INEVITABLE, BUT GIVING UP IS UNFORGIVABLE.

THAT'S A PRETTY STRONG THING.

DOES THAT HELP EXPLAIN WHY HE TOOK SO MUCH TIME TO FIGURE OUT THAT HE HAD TO GIVE UP THE REINS OF POWER?

>> YEAH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN THINKING OF THAT LINE A LOT RECENTLY.

THAT, FOR HIM, IS A KIND OF CENTRAL MANTRA OF HIS LIFE.

IT HAD BECOME THIS -- YOU KNOW, IT COULD SOUND LIKE IT'S JUST A POLITICAL MOTTO, BUT FOR HIM IT HAD ALL OF THIS VERY DEEP PERSONAL RESONANCE BECAUSE OF COURSE HE HAD BEEN THROUGH THESE TRAGEDIES IN HIS PERSONAL LIFE, IN HIS POLITICAL LIFE, AND HIS SOLUTION TO THEM IN A WAY, ALMOST A PHILOSOPHICAL SOLUTION, TO SAY SURRENDER IS A MORAL SIN.

YOU SIMPLY CANNOT GIVE IN.

WHEN YOU ARE PRESSED, WHEN YOU ARE PUT ON THE DEFENSIVE, THAT'S A SIGNAL THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DRIVE HARDER.

AND SO IN SOME WAYS WHEN THIS MOMENT ARRIVED, PARTICULARLY AFTER THE DEBATE WHEN HE WAS SO KNOCKED BACK FURTHER THAN HE PROBABLY HAD BEEN SINCE ANY MOMENT THAT HE ENTERED POLITICS IN HALF A CENTURY, HIS INSTINCT WAS TO DIG IN.

IT WAS TO SAY, NO, THE VERY SUGGESTION OF SURRENDER IS WRONG.

I THINK THAT IN SOME WAYS DELAYED AND SLOWED HIS CAPACITY TO RECOGNIZE THE POLITICAL FACT THAT HIS PATH WAS CLOSING.

AND THAT EXPLAINS, I THINK, PART OF THE REASON WHY IT TOOK SO LONG.

>> THE SPEECH SHOWED HIM REALLY AS A LION IN WINTER.

OLDER, RASPY VOICE.

WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT DECLINE STARTED TO HAPPEN?

WAS IT IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS?

WAS IT IN THE PAST YEAR?

>> THE REPORTING ON THIS IS BEGINNING TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED.

I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU BEGIN TO GET A GREATER DRUM BEAT OF CONCERN FROM PEOPLE WHO WOULD ENCOUNTER THE PRESIDENT OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, MEANING LET'S CALL IT 5, 6 MONTHS.

I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THIS IS A SUBJECT THAT HISTORY WILL WANT TO DIG INTO.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE WERE WAYS IN WHICH HE WAS UP AND DOWN.

I'LL GIVE YOU AN INTERESTING COINCIDENTAL FACT.

I SAW HIM LAST ON JANUARY 17th OF THIS YEAR.

IT JUST TURNS OUT THAT WAS THE DAY WHEN HE ALSO SAW HIS NEUROLOGIST FOR THE LAST TIME ACCORDING TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

SO ON THAT DAY THE PERSON WE SAW WAS KIND OF MORE OR LESS CONSISTENT WITH THE ONE WE SAW ON THE STATE OF THE UNION DAY, MEANING HE WAS CLEARLY PHYSICALLY SLOWER.

HIS VOICE WAS WEAKER, CLOTTED AS I DESCRIBED IT IN THE NEW YORKER.

HIS ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS WERE THE SAME KINDS OF ANSWERS I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN FROM HIM A FEW YEARS EARLIER.

SO I THINK THERE IS A WAY IN WHICH THIS VARIABILITY IN HIS PERFORMANCE BECAME MORE PRONOUNCED OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FEW MONTHS I'M GUESSING.

I THINK THAT'S HOW YOU GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

>> HE SAID THE IDEAL OF AMERICA LIES IN OUR HANDS, YOUR HANDS, HE WAS SAYING.

WHAT DOES HE MEAN BY THAT OR IS THAT JUST SOME TROPE THAT HIS SPEECH WRITERS GAVE HIM?

>> WELL, IN SOME WAYS I FEEL AS IF THIS MOMENT, THIS PERIOD IN WHICH HE IS ACCEPTING, ACCOMMODATING THE REALITY THAT HIS ELECTORAL FUTURE IS CLOSING, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT HAS RELIEVED SOME OF THE PRESSURE AROUND THIS QUESTION OF WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO SAVE DEMOCRACY?

BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER CONSUMED BY THE VERY REAL AND CREDIBLE ISSUE OF IS HIS AGE PREVENTING DEMOCRATS FROM STOPPING DONALD TRUMP FROM COMING BACK TO OFFICE.

IT'S NOW A QUESTION OF WHETHER VOTERS WILL CHOOSE TO PUT DONALD TRUMP BACK IN OFFICE OR WHETHER THEY WILL CHOOSE ANOTHER PATH.

IT STRUCK ME AS HE WAS GIVING THAT SPEECH, IT WAS ALMOST A MOMENT OF DELIVERY.

HE'S DELIVERING IN A SENSE THE BATON TO HIS SUCCESSOR, TO KAMALA HARRIS, BUT HE'S ALSO SAYING TO THE VOTERS DELIVERING THE VERY REALITY, THAT IT IS NOW ON OUR SHOULDERS.

IT IS NO LONGER A QUESTION OF WHETHER JOE BIDEN IS GOING TO STEP ASIDE, WHETHER HE'S BLOCKING THE PATH OF NEW TALENT.

THAT MATTER IS CLOSED.

IT REALLY IS NOW A QUESTION OF AS HE SOMETIMES SAYS, WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY DO WE WANT TO BE?

DO WE WANT TO BE DONALD TRUMP'S CUP COUNTRY OR DO WE WANT TO BE ANOTHER THING?

I THINK THAT FEELS RIGHT TO ME AS A MATTER OF DECISION MAKING.

>> WHY DIDN'T HE SPEND MORE TIME EXTOLLING VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS?

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

HE DESCRIBED HER AS SHE'S STRONG, SHE'S CAPABLE.

THE WHAT I HEARD IN HIM, WALTER, WAS THE FACT THAT I THINK HE'S STILL CONSUMED A BIT BY THE SHEER DRAMA OF HIS OWN -- OF HIS OWN DECISION TO STEP BACK.

IT IS JUST SO CONSUMING AS A FACT.

I'M NOT SURE THAT HE'S QUITE PREPARED YET TO BE A MUSCULAR VOICE ON THE NATIONAL STAGE ON HER BEHALF.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S ABOUT MISGIVING ABOUT HER CAPACITY.

I'M NOT SURE IT IS.

I DON'T THINK HE WOULD HAVE STEPPED ASIDE AND ENDORSED HER IF HE THOUGHT THAT WAS A PATH TO FAILURE FOR DEMOCRATS, BUT I SPOKE TO SOMEBODY WHO WAS ON THAT VERY FIRST CALL THAT HE MADE WITH SENIOR STAFF IN THE WHITE HOUSE JUST A FEW MINUTES BEFORE IT WENT PUBLIC AND I SAID, WHAT WAS HIS MOOD LIKE?

WHAT WAS HE -- WHAT DID HE DO?

WHAT DID HE SAY?

THIS PERSON TOLD ME, YOU KNOW, HE REALLY JUST READ HIS LETTER WORD FOR WORD.

HE WAS NOT IN A POSITION TO GIVE A PEP RALLY TO BUCK US UP.

IT WAS VERY SOMBER.

I THINK HE IS A MAN REALLY GRAPPLING WITH THAT MOST OF ALL NOW.

>> DID HE HELP GET DELEGATES TO SUPPORT VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS?

DID HE RALLY THEM?

AND DID HE EVEN THINK ON THE OTHER HAND MAYBE NOT MAKING AN ENDORSEMENT AND LETTING THE PROCESS BE MORE OPEN?

>> I THINK THE TRUTH IS THAT THE DELEGATES HAVE SURGED AROUND KAMALA HARRIS MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE EFFORTS ON HER PART AND ON PEOPLE AROUND HER WHO HAVE WANTED HER TO SUCCEED.

IT HAS NOT BEEN LARGELY A JOE BIDEN PROJECT.

BUT THERE HAS BEEN THIS SURGE OF ENTH ENTHUSIASM, ALMOST AS IF THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN UNCORKED, ALL OF THE YEARS OF PENT UP DEMORALIZATION AND FRUSTRATION, PARTICULARLY YOUNG VOTERS, HAS COME TO THE SURFACE.

SO, NO, HE HAS NOT BEEN THE PRIME MOVER BEHIND THIS.

THE THIS HAS REALLY BEEN A REFLECTION OF SOMETHING, A PIECE OF DARK MATTER IN POLL THAKS HASN'T BEEN DESCRIBED.

THEY WANTED TO BE ENTHUSIASTIC AND HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY AND NOW YOU'RE SEEING THAT IN DRAMATIC FASHION.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK HIS LEGACY WILL BE IN POLICY TERMS IN PARTICULAR?

>> I THINK THERE IS AN INDELIBLE CONCRETE LEGACY THAT YOU CANNOT DISPUTE.

THE FACT THAT HE HAS DONE THINGS LIKE PASS LEGISLATION THAT WILL HAVE GENERATIONS OF BENEFIT WHEN IT COMES TO CLIMATE CHANGE OR PRESCRIPTION DRUG COSTS OR IN A SENSE ARTICULATING THE ARGUMENT AGAINST AUTHORITARIANISM A THE HOME AND ABROAD.

THOSE ARE REAL THINGS.

THEY WON'T ULTIMATELY MATTER WHAT HAPPENS OVER THE LAST 105 WAYS.

BILL CLINTON SOMETIMES SAYS YOU ONLY GET ONE SENTENCE FOR YOUR PRESIDENCY IN HISTORY.

HAVING A DEMOCRAT PREVENTING DONALD TRUMP FROM COMING BACK.

HE HAS DESCRIBED THE PROJECT OF PROTECTING DEMOCRACY.

WE DON'T KNOW IF HE WAITED SO LONG THAT BECAME IMPOSSIBLE.

WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHETHER KAMALA HARRIS AND WHO SHE CHOOSES AS A RUNNING MATE ARE CAPABLE OF PICKING UP THE BATON AND SUCCEEDING ON THE PROJECT THAT HE STARTED.

>> YOU WRITE ABOUT HOW BIDEN HAD A SOBERING CASE OF MORAL DECENCY FOR REASONABLENESS.

THESE ARE WORDS YOU'VE USED BEFORE.

AND THAT HE MIGHT OFFER US SOME SOLACE, SOME LANGUAGE OF HEALING.

I THOUGHT A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN BIDEN BECAME PRESIDENT THAT MAYBE THE POISON AND THE PARTISAN SHIP WOULD LEACH A BIT OUT OF THE PARTY.

HE'S AN UNTHREATENING, UNINTIMIDATING PERSON.

WHY ISN'T THAT MORE OF HIS LEGACY?

WHY WASN'T HE ABLE TO CALM DOWN SOME OF THESE -- THE DIVISIVENESS IN OUR SOCIETY?

>> IN SOME WAYS HE'S A HARD MAN TO HATE, YOU WOULD THINK.

HE IS A PERSON WHO IS A MODERATE BY NATURE, BY TEMPERAMENT.

AS HE SAID HIMSELF AFTER ABOUT A YEAR IN OFFICE.

HE SAID, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

I WAS SURPRISED.

I WAS WRONG.

I THOUGHT REPUBLICANS ONCE DONALD TRUMP LEFT THE STAGE WOULD COME TO THEIR SENSES, HE SAID.

IN SOME WAYS THE FEVER WOULD BREAK.

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

IN FACT, HE BECAME A KIND OF UNLIKE LITTLE TARGET OF THIS VERY INTENSE SCORN.

I THINK THERE'S AN INTERESTING WAY IN WHICH HE NEVER RECIPROCATED.

YOU NEVER SAW HIM BECOME AN ASSERTIVE SNEERG, BITTER, TAUNTING POLITICIAN.

THAT'S NOT HIS TONE.

HE WOULD GET SEVERE AND TALK ABOUT THE GREAT THREAT TO DEMOCRACY AND HE HAS A PERSONAL DISLIKE FOR TRUMP, BUT YOU DIDN'T SEE HIM TAKE ON SOME OF THE BODY LANGUAGE OF MARJORIE TAYLOR GREEN OR THE LANGUAGE OF MATT GAETZ, GOD KNOWS.

IN THE END, THE FORCES THAT DRIVE OUR POLITICS INTO THIS DESICCATED TOXIC FORM THAT HE IS CONTENDING WITH ARE LARGER THAN ANY ONE PERSON.

THEY'RE LARGER THAN HIM.

IT WAS NEVER A REALITY.

IT WAS NEVER A POSSIBILITY THAT HE COULD SOMEHOW INDIVIDUALLY REPAIR THAT.

I THINK THAT HIS -- IN A WAY HIS FLUENCY IN THE LANGUAGE OF SUFFERING AND HEALING WAS HELPFUL IN A PARTICULAR CASE, WHICH WAS THE PANDEMIC.

THIS WAS A COUNTRY THAT WAS LITERALLY GRIEVING, JUST GRIEVING THE SHEER NUMBER OF LIVES LOST AND THE FACT THAT HE KNEW THAT IN A WAY THAT A LOT OF PRESIDENTS IN THE MODERN AGE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH FAMILIARITY WITH PERSONAL SUFFERING IS AND WAS USEFUL.

BUT IT WAS BY NO MEANS THE END OF THE STORY.

>> WILL HE OR SHOULD HE SPEAK AT THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION AND OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL?

>> I THINK HE WILL TO SOME DEGREE.

I THINK YOU'LL SEE HIM OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, PARTICULARLY IN PLACES WHERE HE CAN BE POLITICALLY HELPFUL.

LET'S REMEMBER ONE OF THE KEY QUESTIONS HERE IS GOING TO BE WHETHER KAMALA HARRIS CAN MAINTAIN THE CRUCIAL STATES, WHETHER SHE CAN HOLD ONTO THE SO CALLED BLUE WALL OF PENNSYLVANIA, MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN.

HE IS AT HOME IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA.

YOU MAY SEE HIM OUT THERE TRYING TO DO SOME OF THAT WORK.

IT IS AN INESCAPABLE FACT THAT WE ARE SEEING A MAN IN THE FINAL CHAPTERS OF HIS CAREER.

ONE OF THE THEORIES IS HE COULD SERVE AS A NONEXECUTIVE CHAIRMAN.

THERE MIGHT BE A MOMENT OF COALESCENCE OF GRATITUDE TO HIM FOR STEPPING ASIDE, BUT THERE'S NO QUESTION NOW, WALTER.

WE ARE INTO A DIFFERENT PHASE.

POLITICS IS AN UNSENTIMENTAL BUSINESS.

PEOPLE MOVE ON EXTREMELY FAST.

HE IS ALREADY NOW SHIFTING INTO THE REAR-VIEW MIRROR.

AND I'LL TELL YOU ONE PERSON WHO KNOWS THAT IS JOE BIDEN.

IT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I THINK HE'S HELD ON SO AFTER INDIVIDUALLY FOR SO LONG.

>> EVAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> MY PLEASURE.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>>> AND FINALLY, AS ELITE ATHLETES AND EXCITED FANS FLOCK TO THE PARIS OLYMPICS THIS WEEK, DISPLACED PALESTINIANS ORGANIZE A FOOTBALL TOURNAMENT OF THEIR OWN.

BOYS AND MEN OF ALL AGES JOINING TOGETHER IN THE MIDST OF WAR.

THEIR FAMILIES CHEERING FROM THE SIDELINES AND BALCONIES ABOVE.

IN ANOTHER LIFE THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WATCH THEIR LOVED ONES COMPETE ON THE GLOBAL STAGE.

AS THE CONFLICT RAGES ON, THIS TOURNAMENT SENDS A MESSAGE OF HUMANITY AND RESILIENCE.

THAT IS ALL FOR NOW.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING AND GOOD-BYE FROM NEW YORK.