11.19.2019

Daria Kaleniuk: How the Impeachment Inquiry Affects Ukraine

Daria Kaleniuk is one of Ukraine’s most respected independent corruption fighters, having spent years taking on officials seeking to abuse their authority. She joins the program from Ukrainian capital Kyiv to discuss corruption, the impeachment inquiry and Ukraine-Russia relations.

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BUT HOW WOULD YOU SAY RUSSIA, YOUR NEIGHBOR, IS LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS AND BENEFITING FROM THIS?

I THINK YOU THINK THAT RUSSIA IS BENEFITING.

RUSSIA IS USING THIS MOMENT WHEN THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN UKRAINE AND THE U.S. ARE UNDER QUESTION AND IS TRYING TO USE THAT IN ORDER TO SELL TO UKRAINE A DETRIMENTAL SO-CALLED NEW DEAL.

WE HAVE A BRAND-NEW PARLIAMENT, WE HAVE A BRAND-NEW GOVERNMENT.

THEY ARE PRO-REFORM BUT THEY LACK POLITICAL EXPERIENCE, THEY LACK GEOPOLITICAL EXPERIENCE.

IT SEEMS RUSSIA IS TRYING TO RELY ON THE COOPERATION OF UKRAINE AND THE UNITED STATES IN ORDER TO CONVINCE OUR NEW PRESIDENT AND OUR NEW GOVERNMENT TO STOP SHOOTING, TO STAPP WAR, SIMPLY ACCEPTING RUSSIAN CONDITIONS.

AND THESE RUSSIAN CONDITIONS COULD BE VERY DETRIMENTAL.

LIKE PRETENDING RUSSIA IS NOT INVADING UKRAINE, PRETENDING THAT IT'S UKRAINIAN INTERNAL CONFLICT.

OR FORGETTING ABOUT THE OCCUPATION OF CRIMEA.

A HUGE PART OF UKRAINE IS FULLY OCCUPIED BY RUSSIA, AND RUSSIA IS SAYING IT'S NO MORE UKRAINE, IT'S JUST RUSSIA.

IT VIOLATES THE INTERNATIONAL ORDER.

SO I THINK THAT ALL THESE SCAN -- THIS SCANDAL IS NOW BEING USED BY RUSSIANS, THE KREMLIN, BY PUTIN, AS WINDOWS OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO PREVENT UKRAINE FROM DEVELOPING AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAR ENDS UP WHEN RUSSIA HAS THE VICTORY.

AND ONE MORE POINT I WOULD WANT TO ADD TO MR. VINDMAN IS THAT IT'S NOT LIKE WE SIMPLY ARE A SMALL COUNTRY WHO DESPERATELY ASKS FOR SUPPORT OF THE UNITED STATES FOR NOTHING.

I WOULD WANT TO REMIND THAT IN 1994, UKRAINE HAD PROBABLY THE LARGEST GLOBAL ARSENAL OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND WE VOLUNTARILY GAVE UP THIS NUCLEAR WEAPON IN THE RESPONSE, IN THE GUARA GUARANTEES AND GUARANTORS WERE UNITED STATES, UKRAINE, AND RUSSIA.

ONE GUARANTOR IS DRAGGING UKRAINE INTO ITS POLITICAL FOOTBALL AND PRESENTING UKRAINE ALONG THE MOST CORRUPT COUNTRY ON EARTH.

SO IT'S NOT FAIR.

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Chris Ruddy and Susan Glasser join Christiane Amanpour to analyze Lt. Col. Vindman and Jennifer Williams’ impeachment testimonies. Daria Kaleniuk discusses how the inquiry is affecting Ukraine. Lauren Greenfield and Andy Bautista tell Alison Stewart about the new documentary “The Kingmaker.”

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