01.18.2021

What Will President Trump Do After Wednesday?

President Trump is expected to issue a flurry of pardons before he leaves office, when he himself will face many legal and financial issues. With his personal brand tarnished by recent events, what do Trump’s future business ventures look like? Christiane discusses this with the president’s niece Mary Trump and Andrea Bernstein, whose hit podcast “Trump, Inc.” airs its final episode this week.

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MARY TRUMP, NIECE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP AND AUTHOR, “TOO MUCH AND NEVER ENOUGH”: Well, we’re going to be grappling with this for a really long time, which is why Donald needs to be contained and made irrelevant as quickly as possible. But one thing he’s quite skilled at is the politics of grievance, which he’s elevated to an art form. And it’s tapped in to a feeling a lot of white Americans who believe they have been left behind are feeling. Also, Donald revels in violence. He is a physical coward himself, but he’s perfectly happy for other people to engage in violence on his own behalf. And I think that’s another thing he’s tapped into. People are frustrated. People feel like their rights are being taken away from them, which, of course, they’re not. And by claiming that something else has been stolen from them, he essentially just lit a match to a piece of dynamite that’s been ready to go off for a really long time, and just stood back and watched it happen.

CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR: So, Andrea Bernstein, of course, all this is relevant for many, many reasons, including all the democratic and constitutional reasons that we have been talking about, but also to the Donald Trump brand. What do you think it looks like for him going ahead? Because we have we have listed all these institutions that have cut ties with him, his banks, his donors, his — all sorts of — even his organization is being shunned, the Trump Organization. What — and you have written about the American oligarchs. What does it look like, the future, for his brand now that it’s tarnished?

ANDREA BERNSTEIN, “TRUMP, INC.”: Well, it is really at a low point right now. I mean, not only do his bankers and his brokers and people who have really stood by him through a lot, through Charlottesville, through children in cages, through all kinds of policies and low points and his handling of the coronavirus, all of these sort of big bankers and brokers stood with Donald Trump. But now they are walking away. And the conundrum for Donald Trump is that his customers are not his political base. So, the patrons of his private golf clubs are not the kind of people who want their photographs taken on their way into playing golf. The people who can afford that, who can afford his luxury hotels are not the make America great crowd. And that is a real, real problem for Donald Trump. But one of the things that he has always done throughout his business career is find somebody, some new person who will go along with his new con, his new scam, and he has just sort of been able to hop from project to project to project, with each one failing, because he could always find new people to buy in to his new promised vision. Usually, it’s a false vision. But he was able to convince people that it would be a great deal.

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