March 26, 2021

TO AMANPOUR.

HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP.

I'D SAY THERE'S AT LEAST 100 PEOPLE HERE.

THERE ARE CHILDREN FROM THE AGES OF 5 TO LITERALLY 3 MONTHS OLD.

INSIDE THE HARROWING TREK TO AMERICA.

THEY TELL US WHAT MIGRANTS REALLY FACE ON THEIR DANGEROUS JOURNEY THROUGH THE JUNGLE.

THEN -- ♪♪♪ GRIDLOCK IN YET ANOTHER ISRAELI ELECTION AS PALESTINIANS GEAR UP FOR THEIRS, THE FIRST IN 15 YEARS.

CANDIDATE AND FORMER MINISTER ON WHAT ALL THIS MEANS FOR PEACE AND HUMAN RIGHTS IN THE REGION.

PLUS --

YOU HAVE A LOT WHO WANT TO SERVE, WHO WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

YOU HAVE SOME WHO ARE ATTRACTED TO IT FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS.

REIMAGINING POLICING.

TRACY AND PHILIP COFOUNDERS OF THE CENTER ON POLICING EQUITY TO TELL OUR MICHEL MARTIN WHAT IT WILL REALLY TAKE TO BRING ON REAL REFORM.

PLUS -- ♪♪♪ A WORLD CLASS PIANIST RETURNS HOME.

ON WHAT DROVE HER TO CREATE EASTER ISLAND'S FIRST MUSIC SCHOOL.

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Announcer: AMANPOUR AND COMPANY IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE ANDERSON FUND, THE CHERYL AND PHILIP MILLSTEIN FAMILY, THE

> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

I'M CHRISTIAN AMANPOUR IN LONDON.

A GROUP OF SENATE REPUBLICANS IS AT THE U.S./MEXICO BORDER TODAY.

A RESPONSE TO THE WAVE OF MIGRANTS TRYING TO GAIN ENTRY INTO THE UNITED STATES.

TEXAS SENATORS CRUZ AND CORNYN ARE CALLING THE SITUATION A CRISIS, WHILE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN SAYS THAT IT'S NOT.

HE SAYS THE SURGE IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR AT THIS TIME FOR SEASONAL REASONS.

STILL, THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN AND UNACCOMPANIED MINORS IS A CAUSE FOR CONCERN.

WHILE THE FOCUS RIGHT NOW IS ON THE BORDER, IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE ACTUAL STORY IS OUTSIDE THE BORDER, AND THAT THE JOURNEY THERE CAN START MUCH, MUCH FURTHER AWAY THAN WE REALIZE.

VICE NEWS CORRESPONDENT PAOLO RAMOS HEADED DOWN TO PANAMA AND JOINED MIGRANTS AS THEY TREK THROUGH THE DANGEROUS JUNGLE KNOWN AS THE DARION GAP.

HERE'S A CLIP FROM HER REPORT.

Reporter: ON THE TRAIL ARE POISONOUS SNAKES AND JAGUARS.

YET FAR WORSE ARE THE GANGSTERS LOOKING FOR PREY.

THE MIGRANTS ARE VULNERABLE TO BEING ROBBED AT ANY TIME, AND MANY WOMEN BECOME THE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND RAPE.

SO FAR THOSE IN FRONT OF ME HAD THE BEGINNING, HAD BEEN LEFT BEHIND, THEY STARTED WITH SHOES.

AND I SAW THEM COMPLETELY BAREFOOT BY THE TIME I LEFT THEM.

AT THIS POINT I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.

AHEAD OF ME IT'S PRETTY SILENT.

IT'S PITCH BLACK.

THE ONE THING YOU CAN HEAR, THOUGH, THE MURMURING OF CHILDREN.

THAT'S THE ONE THING YOU CAN HEAR.

PAULA RAMOS IS JOINING US NOW FROM NEW YORK.

WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM, PAULA.

YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS ISSUE OF MIGRATION FOR A LONG TIME.

TELL ME WHY YOU CHOSE THAT PARTICULAR BORDER.

Reporter: I THINK WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS DRIVING MIGRANTS TO THE UNITED STATES, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE DESPERATION.

AND I THINK IN THAT BORDER, THROUGH THAT JUNGLE, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MIGRANTS ARE SO DESPERATE TO REACH THE UNITED STATES, THEY'RE SO DESPERATE TO ATTAIN THIS AMERICAN DREAM THAT WE'RE CONSTANTLY TALKING ABOUT, THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO RISK THEIR LIVES AND CROSS UP TO TEN DAYS THROUGH ONE OF THE WORLD'S MOST DANGEROUS JUNGLES.

IN THAT JUNGLE YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT DESPERATION MEANS.

YOU ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT MIGRANTS AREN'T JUST COMING FROM CENTRAL AMERICA.

THEY'RE COMING FROM ALL DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD.

YOU UNDERSTAND THE JOURNEY TO THE U.S. IS MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.

WE HEARD OBVIOUSLY IN THE CLIP YOU TALKED ABOUT JAGUARS AND SCORPIONS.

WHAT ELSE IS THERE THAT MAKES IT SO DANGEROUS?

TEN DAYS THROUGH THE JUNGLE IS UNBEARABLE TO EVEN THINK OF.

ARE THERE, ARE THERE, I DON'T KNOW, GANGS AND OTHER SUCH THINGS?

THAT'S RIGHT.

OF COURSE.

TO GIVE EVERYONE AN IDEA, THIS IS 66 MILES OF JUNGLE, RIGHT.

THIS IS BETWEEN COLOMBIA AND PANAMA.

IN THE COLOMBIAN SIDE OF THE JUNGLE, THAT'S CONTROLLED BY ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL CARTEL GROUPS.

THERE REALLY IS NO WAY OF CROSSING THAT PART OF THE JUNGLE WITHOUT THEIR YES, THEIR AFFIRMATION.

YOU FIRST DEPEND ON THEM TO CROSS.

YOU'RE NOT ONLY THEN ENCOUNTERING DIFFERENT TYPES OF ANIMALS.

BUT ONCE YOU MAKE IT TO THE PANAMANIAN SIDE OF THE BORDER, IT WAS SO DANGEROUS, OUR CREW HAD TO LEAVE BECAUSE THE PANAMANIAN SIDE IS WHAT IS MORE KNOWN AS THE LAWLESS TERRITORY.

EVERY SINGLE MIGRANT I SPOKE TO, ONCE THEY FINISHED THAT ROUTE, EVERY ONE HAD BEEN ROBBED ON THAT SIDE.

THEY HAD SEEN DEAD BODIES AND MANY PEOPLE HAD SEEN OTHER WOMEN BEING RAPED.

THAT IS EVERYTHING HAPPENING ON THE PANAMANIAN SIDE.

I DID NOT TALK TO A SINGLE PERSON THAT HAD NOT BEEN ATTACKED AND A DIFFERENT VERSION OF THAT.

SO, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU CROSSED WITH THE MIGRANTS ON THE PANAMANIAN SIDE.

YOU CERTAINLY TALKED TO SOME OF THE COYOTES.

THOSE ARE THE HUMAN TRAFFICKERS, THE SMUGGLERS, THE PEOPLE THAT EXTORT OR EXTRACT MONEY FROM THE MIGRANTS.

AND THEY ARE ALSO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TELLING THE MIGRANTS RIGHT NOW, HEY, YOU CAN COME ACROSS BECAUSE JOE BIDEN SAYS IT'S OKAY, WHICH HE DOESN'T.

BUT I WANT TO PLAY A CLIP OF YOU TALKING TO ONE OF THESE COYOTES.

SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ].

HE SAYS THEY WANT THE AMERICAN DREAM.

BUT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, YOU SAW HIM CLOSE UP.

I GUESS YOU COULD LOOK INTO HIS EYES.

DO THEY HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TAKING THEIR MONEY, ABANDONING THEM, AND, YOU KNOW, CONDEMNING THEM TO A TERRIBLE EXISTENCE AND MAYBE EVEN DEATH?

WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY THINK THAT THEY'RE DOING THEM A SERVICE, RIGHT.

THEY THINK THAT WITHOUT THEIR HELP, THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY DIE AS THEY ARE TRYING TO TREK THE JUNGLE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED THEM.

WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?

THEY DON'T SEE IT AS A CRIMINAL ACT.

OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER DISCUSSION.

REMEMBER, THEY ARE WORKING WITHIN THE CARTEL GROUP.

THEY ARE NOT TRAFFICKING MIGRANTS.

THEY ARE TRAFFICKING COCAINE IN THE VERY SAME TERRITORY I WAS IN.

THEY SEE THIS AS A WAY TO HELP THE MIGRANTS SURVIVE THIS EXTREMELY TREACHEROUS JUNGLE.

I HAVE TO SAY, YES, MIGRANTS, THE CARTELS HAVE DIRECTLY PROFITED FROM THIS WHOLE BORDER CRISIS OR BORDER SURGE, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO NAME IT.

THAT'S TRUE NOT JUST NOW, BUT ALSO UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP.

UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP, MORE THAN 24,000 MIGRANTS CROSSED THAT SAME JUNGLE.

AMONG THEM AT LEAST 4,000 CHILDREN.

THE CARTELS ARE ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DIRECTLY PROFITING FROM ALL THESE STRANDED MIGRANTS THAT ARE ALL OVER THE CONTINENT.

AND, PAULA, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE SAID TO PRESIDENT BIDEN, IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A NICE GUY THAT THEY'RE COMING.

AND HE JUST BATTED THAT AWAY.

HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WAS DONALD TRUMP A NICE GUY?

THEY STILL CAME.

AND EVEN IN HIGHER PERCENTAGES.

BUT THERE IS A CRISIS IN TERMS OF THE CHILDREN.

THERE ARE MUCH MORE CHILDREN AND UNACCOMPANIED MINORS COMING ACROSS.

AND BIDEN LAID OUT SOME OF THE DESPERATION THAT THESE FAMILIES ARE FACING, WHICH LEAD THEM TO MAKE THESE TREACHEROUS JOURNEYS OR, IN FACT, SEND OFF THEIR KIDS.

LET'S LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAID.

IT'S NOT LIKE SOMEBODY IS SITTING AT A HAND-HEWN TABLE IN GUATEMALA -- I MEAN, SOMEWHERE IN MEXICO OR IN GAUDALUPE SAYING, I GOT A GREAT IDEA.

LET'S SELL EVERYTHING WE HAVE, GIVE IT TO A COYOTE, HAVE THEM TAKE OUR KIDS ACROSS THE BORDER INTO A DESERT WHERE THEY DON'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE.

WON'T THAT BE FUN?

LET'S GO.

THAT'S NOT HOW IT HAPPENS.

PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE.

SO, WHEN YOU TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING, WHAT DO THEY SAY TO YOU?

WHAT WERE SOME OF THE REASONS THAT THEY TOLD YOU THEY WERE LEAVING?

BECAUSE HE'S RIGHT, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THEIR COUNTRIES IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO.

Reporter: OF COURSE.

THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY DESPERATE FOR MANY REASONS.

I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH CUBANS.

MANY CUBAN PEOPLE TOLD ME THEY ARE BEING SURVEILLED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

I THINK OFTEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CUBA, IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE WHAT THAT TYPE OF OPPRESSION LOOKS LIKE.

MANY MIGRANTS TOLD ME THEY FELT SUFFOCATED, THAT THEY COULD NOT BE FREE.

THAT'S WHAT MADE THEM TAKE THIS JOURNEY.

I WAS WITH A LOT OF MIGRANTS FROM HAITI.

THE VIOLENCE IS SO EXCRUCIATING.

IF YOU'RE A FATHER OR MOTHER, AND YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR SON A BETTER OPPORTUNITY, HAITI IS NOT A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN ENVISION THAT FUTURE FOR THEM.

YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE PANDEMIC.

SOME OF THEM STARTED BUILDING THEIR LIVES IN COUNTRIES LIKE CHILE OR ECUADOR AND THEN CAME COVID.

AND UNDER COVID SOME OF THE SMALL OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY HAD SUDDENLY DISAPPEARED, AND SO MANY OF THE MIGRANTS THAT ARE MET ARE PEOPLE THAT RESTARTED THEIR LIVES IN CHILE.

ONCE AGAIN, THEY FOUND THEMSELVES WITH NO OTHER OPTION BUT TO CONTINUE MIGRATING NORTH.

AND MANY OF THE MIGRANTS THAT DID THIS TREK THROUGH THE JUNGLE ARE STRANDED IN MEXICO, STILL WAITING TO CONTINUE THIS JOURNEY NORTH.

ONE OF THE TAKEAWAYS IS IT NEVER REALLY STOPS.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THE END IS.

DESPERATION IS SO HARD.

IT KEEPS THEM GOING ON, AND THAT I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY HARD TO DESCRIBE WHEN REPORTING.

IT IS HARD TO SHOW WHAT DESPERATION LOOKS LIKE, TO SHOW WHAT WOULD IMPULSE A MOM TO CARRY A CHILD THROUGH A JUNGLE AT NIGHT.

I HOPE THAT'S WHAT WE DO WITH THIS PIECE.

WELL, YOU DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE DESPERATION.

YOU CAN SEE THE TINY CHILDREN.

YOU CAN SEE THE MOTHERS TRYING TO LOOK AFTER THEM.

YOU CAN HEAR THE VOICES OF THE CIVILIANS, MEN AND WOMEN, WHO ARE DESPERATE LOSING THEIR SHOES, HAVING TO HIKE UP HILLS, NOT HAVING ENOUGH FOOD AND WATER AND BEING TERRIFIED.

AND TO THAT POINT YOU MENTION, YOU KNOW, A JOURNEY FROM HAITI TO CHILE AND ONWARDS.

A MAN CALLED SNYDER, SOMEBODY YOU MET ON BOTH SIDES OF YOUR TRIP.

AND WHEN YOU GOT TO PANAMA, YOU SAW THAT HE HAD GOT THERE.

AND THIS IS WHAT HE SAID TO YOU WHEN HE GOT THERE.

[ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]

> I MEAN, THAT IS REALLY DRAMATIC TESTIMONY.

HE TALKS ABOUT THE ASSAULT AND RAPE OF WOMEN, THE KILLING OF PEOPLE EN ROUTE, THE FACT THAT HE LOST EVERYTHING EN ROUTE.

PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT AGAIN HAD HE KNOWN WHAT WAS IN STORE.

YOU HEARD A LOT OF THOSE KINDS OF STORIES.

WHAT DO THEY DO ONCE THEY GET TO PANAMA?

SO, ONCE THEY GET TO PANAMA, ONCE THEY FINISH TRACKING, THEY HAVE TO BE TRANSFERRED TO AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT SHELTERS THAT ARE SET UP BY THE PANAMANIAN GOVERNMENT.

AFTER THAT, AFTER THEY GO TO THE THIRD AND LAST ONE WHERE THEY DO HAVE SOME SORT OF CONTACT WITH THE U.N., WITH UNICEF AND THE RED CROSS, THEY THEN START THE NEXT PHASE OF THEIR JOURNEY.

THEY GO TO COSTA RICA, FROM COSTA RICA THEY START CROSSING THROUGH CENTRAL AMERICA.

SNYDERSON JUST LIKE JESENIA, HE'S IN MEXICO AS WELL.

IT'S ONE THING AFTER THE OTHER.

IT'S AN ENDLESS JOURNEY.

FOR ME THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST STRIKING THINGS.

AFTER SOMEONE LIKE SNYDERSON SEES THE IMAGES, SEES THEM BEING RAPED, DEAD BODIES, HIS OWN CHILD CAN BE AT RISK, THIS IDEA OF THE AMERICAN DREAM IS SO ENGRAINED AND SO POWERFUL THAT HE HAS IT IN HIM TO CONTINUE GOING ON.

I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE KEEP HEARING IN THIS IMMIGRATION DEBATE.

WHAT PRESIDENT BIDEN AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO IS ASK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT QUESTION.

IF YOU WERE SOMEONE LIKE SNYDERSON, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

AND, AGAIN, I HOPE THESE IMAGES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

EXCEPT NOW HE'S TRYING TO TELL THEM DON'T COME, AND HE IS SAYING THAT -- AND THE ADMINISTRATION IS SENDING, YOU KNOW, PSA, PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS, TAKING OUT ADS IN PARTS OF CENTRAL AMERICA TO TRY TO GET THAT MESSAGE ACROSS.

HE'S SAYING WE HAVE TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR PROPER ASYLUM PROCESSING BACK TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION GUTTED IT.

SO, FINAL QUESTION.

IS THAT MESSAGE GETTING TO THEM THAT THEY SHOULD WAIT?

THAT THE AMERICANS WILL TAKE AND PROCESS ASYLUM CLAIMS, BUT THEY NEED TO WAIT?

IT'S NOT.

I THINK THAT'S THE CONCLUSION THAT I VERY QUICKLY ARRIVED TO THROUGH THIS STRIKE.

YOU CAN HEAR THE ADMINISTRATION SAYING DON'T COME YET.

WAIT AT THE BORDER.

DESPERATION DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO WAIT.

NO DESPERATION IS SCARED OF THAT.

DESPERATION WILL TAKE YOU ANYWHERE.

SO WHAT I'VE FOUND COUNTLESS TIMES AT THE BORDER, WHAT I FOUND IS THAT IN THIS MOMENT THERE'S A LOT OF MIXED MESSAGES BETWEEN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A COUNTRY OF IMMIGRANTS AND WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE THE BORDER CLOSED.

WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE SOME ASYLUM SEEKERS IN AND NOT SOME OF THEM.

THAT IS NOT STOPPING THE MAJORITY OF THEM TO COME.

AS WE SAW IT IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH.

IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES YOU KEEP GOING ON.

AND, OF COURSE, FOR THE UNITED STATES IT'S A MATTER OF TRYING TO HAVE A PROPER IMMIGRATION REFORM AND A PROPER IMMIGRATION FUTURE.

PAULA RAMOS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH INDEED FOR JOINING US.

YOU CAN SEE HER FULL REPORT SUNDAY, ADVICE ON SHOWTIME.

> NEXT, THE ETERNAL MIDDLE EAST CONUNDRUM.

ISRAEL IS IN GRIDLOCK AGAIN AFTER A FOURTH INCONCLUSIVE ELECTION IN TWO YEARS.

WHILE PALESTINIANS ARE GEARING UP FOR THEIR FIRST ELECTION IN 15 YEARS.

HAMAS WON THE LAST ONE BACK IN 2006.

AND THIS ALL HAS MAJOR IMPACTS ON U.S. POLICY, ESPECIALLY ON THAT ELUSIVE PEACE DEAL.

THE FORMER PALESTINIAN'S FOREIGN MINISTER IS RUNNING IN MAY'S PARLIAMENTARY ELECTIONS.

PEOPLE ARE DISILLUSIONED WITH POLITICS AS USUAL AND HE HAS FORMED A NEW AND INDEPENDENT PARTY.

HE IS JOINING ME NOW FROM RAMALLAH IN THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK.

WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

SO, LISTEN, CAN I START BY ASKING YOU HOW YOU GOT TO THIS POINT OF RUNNING AND CREATING A NEW PARTY?

BECAUSE YOU WERE PART OF FATAH.

YOU ARE THE NEPHEW OF THE PALESTINIAN LEADER YASSIR ARAFAT.

AND NOW YOU'RE BEING THROWN OUT OF THE PARTY.

WHY HAVE YOU DECIDED THAT IT'S SO NECESSARY AND URGENT THAT YOU WOULD RISK BEING THROWN OUT OF YOUR OWN HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, POLITICAL TRIBE, SO TO SPEAK?

WELL, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, CHRISTIANE, FOR HAVING ME FIRST.

AND LET ME SAY THIS.

I WAS NOT PLANNING TO BE EXPELLED FROM MY PARTY AND I DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THE EXPULSION ANYWAY.

LET ME ADD ALSO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PARTY.

WE HAVE A GATHERING, A POLITICAL GATHERING THAT MIGHT DEVELOP INTO SOMETHING MORE FORMAL AT A LATER STAGE.

BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, HOW DID I GET HERE, I THINK THAT AS GENERAL PALESTINIAN FEELING THE SITUATION HAS GOT VERY BAD.

IN TERMS OF BOTH THE ISRAELI/PALESTINIAN CONFLICT, IN TERMS OF THE PALESTINIAN SITUATION, AND AS SUCH, THERE WAS A FEELING THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR A CHANGE, DEEP AND BROAD CHANGE THAT COULD FACE THOSE DIFFICULTIES AND TRY TO PROVIDE ANSWERS.

AND WE HAVE DONE JUST THAT.

I MEAN, WE QUICKLY FORMED THIS PALESTINIAN NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC ASSEMBLY AND WE ESTABLISHED -- WE PUT TOGETHER A PROGRAM, VERY SERIOUS PROGRAM, COMPREHENSIVE THAT PROVIDE NOT ONLY ANALYSIS, BUT PROVIDE ANSWERS AND, MOREOVER, SPECIFIC TASKS FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT BE ELECTED TO THE RELIGIOUS COUNCIL AT A LATER STAGE SO THEY CAN BE, OF COURSE, JUDGED ON THE BASIS OF THAT.

SO, LET ME ASK YOU.

LET'S JUST TAKE WHAT YOU SAY IS WRONG WITH INTERNAL PALESTINIAN POLITICS BEFORE WE ADDRESS THE CONFLICT BETWEEN YOU AND ISRAEL.

YOU KNOW, I SPOKE TO ANOTHER VERY WELL KNOWN TO THE PALESTINIAN, SHE RESIGNED.

SHE DIDN'T LIKE SOME OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.

THIS IS WHAT SHE TOLD ME WHAT THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE ARE SICK OF AND WHAT THEY WANT.

WE DO WANT GOOD GOVERNANCE.

WE DO WANT COMPLETE REPRESENTATION.

WE DO WANT AN ACCOUNTABLE SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT.

AND LIKE MANY SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR A LONG TIME, THEY TEND TO FOSSILIZE WITH TIME.

WE NEED TO SAY THIS CANNOT GO ON ANYMORE.

SO, DO YOU AGREE THAT MAHMOUD A BASS'S PARTY HAS FOSSILIZED?

WELL, THE MAIN THING IS THE OVERALL SITUATION.

AND LET ME SAY THAT I DO AGREE GENERALLY WITH WHAT MY FRIEND HANAN SAID.

THERE IS A NEED FOR GOOD GOVERNANCE.

THERE IS A NEED FOR A RULE OF LAW.

THERE IS A NEED FOR A REAL FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION.

THERE IS A NEED FOR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS AMONG PEOPLE.

WE HAVE BEEN ALWAYS PROUD PEOPLE THAT ENJOY OUR FREEDOMS AND EXERCISE THIS FREEDOM PROUDLY.

SO IT'S BIT DIFFICULT.

IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR SOME OF US, FOR ALL OF US PROBABLY, TO LIVE INTO OR UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, WE WANT THAT SERIOUS CHANGE AND DEEP AND BROAD CHANGE.

LET ME ASK YOU, BECAUSE THERE IS TALK THAT POTENTIALLY FATAH, THE DOMINANT PARTY ON THE WEST BANK AND HAMAS, WHICH IS IN CONTROL OF GAZA, MIGHT GO TO THESE ELECTIONS IN A JOINT LIST.

IS THAT EVEN CONCEIVABLE?

WHAT WOULD THAT ACTUALLY MEAN FOR PALESTINIAN POLITICS VIS-A-VIS YOUR OWN SOCIETY, WITH ISRAEL AND WITH THE UNITED STATES?

WOULD HAMAS BE ACCEPTABLE?

WELL, UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS MORE THAN CONCEIVABLE.

I THINK IT WAS PART OF A DEAL THAT ACTUALLY WAS CONCLUDED BETWEEN FATAH AND HAMAS.

AND WHILE, BY THE WAY, I AM BIG SUPPORTER, STRONG SUPPORTERS OF ANY ATTEMPT TO ACHIEVE REUNIFICATION AND ACHIEVE UNITY, NEVERTHELESS, I THOUGHT THAT IT HAD SOMETHING LACKING, LACKING CREDIBILITY, LACKING SUBSTANCE ON SOMETHING THAT MIGHT LEAD TO EVEN ENTRENCHMENT OF THIS ENDING THE SPLIT.

THAT'S WHY I CAME OUT PUBLICLY AGAINST THE IDEA AS WELL AS AGAINST THE IDEA OF THE JOINT LIST BETWEEN FATAH AND HAMAS.

LET ME SAY THIS ALSO, THAT THE OPPOSITION TO THE IDEA IS GREAT INTERNALLY INSIDE FATAH, INSIDE HAMAS AND THAT'S WHY IT MIGHT NOT TAKE PLACE IN REAL LIFE.

WELL, LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST GIVE SORT OF NUMBERS TO WHAT YOU MEAN THE OPPOSITION IS AGAINST.

THERE ARE POLLING BY RESPECTED PALESTINIAN POLLING ORGANIZATION THAT SAYS, MAHMOUD A BASS, THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY WOULD ONLY GET 9% IN A FUTURE ELECTION.

ISMAEL IN GAZA WOULD ONLY GET 14%, BUT 22% SAID BARGHOUTI WOULD GET THEIR VOTE.

HE IS THE PALESTINIAN ACTIVIST AND LEADER IN JAIL INSIDE ISRAEL.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THE SYSTEM ALLOWS PALESTINIANS TO VOTE FOR A JAILED LEADER?

AND WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN?

I THINK THE SYSTEM SHOULD ALLOW PALESTINIANS TO VOTE A JAILED LEADER OR ANY OTHER LEADER.

IT SHOULD BE FREE CHOICE FOR EVERY PALESTINIAN.

AND I WAS HOPING THAT MY FRIEND AND MY COMRADE WOULD JOIN OUR MOVEMENT AND JOIN OUR TREND AND SUPPORT IT.

NEVERTHELESS, I RESPECT HIS CHOICES AND LET'S SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN LATER ON WHEN WE ARRIVE TO THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS.

WE SAID THAT IF HE RUNS AFTER THE SUPPORT THAT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE PALESTINIAN NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC ASSEMBLY, WE WOULD SUPPORT HIM.

SO, ANYWAY, THIS IS NOW LEFT TO THE FUTURE AND WE WILL SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, POLLS IN THE PALESTINIAN SOCIETY MIGHT NOT BE THAT ACCURATE.

IT'S CULTURAL MATTER, AND BY THE WAY, WE IN THE PALESTINIAN NDA ARE VERY YOUNG AND WE WERE PROBABLY NOT AROUND WHEN THIS POLL WAS TAKEN.

RIGHT.

SO LET ME ASK YOU, OBVIOUSLY THE INTERNATIONAL QUESTION.

AND THAT IS ABOUT THE PEACE PROCESS.

YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A TWO-STATE SOLUTION ON THE TABLE ANYMORE.

DO YOU BELIEVE IN IT?

AND -- WELL, FIRST, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE TWO-STATE SOLUTION IS POSSIBLE STILL TO ACHIEVE?

THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

IT'S THE ONLY WAY FORWARD.

NEVERTHELESS, LET ME SAY THIS.

RETURN TO STATE SOLUTION HAS BECOME LINKED TO THE NEVER-ENDED PEACE PROCESS, NEVER-ENDED PERPETUAL NEGOTIATIONS THAT IS USELESS, TOTALLY USELESS.

BUT TO PALESTINIAN PEOPLE, FOR INSTANCE, ARE COMMITTED OVERWHELMINGLY TO THEIR NATIONAL RIGHT, THEIR NATIONAL IDENTITY, THEIR NATIONAL STATE, BY THE WAY, THAT DOES EXIST BY VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE, BY VIRTUE OF THE HISTORIC RIGHT, BY VIRTUE OF THE RECOGNITION BY THE MAJORITY OF STATES, OF THE STATE OF PALESTINE.

BY VIRTUE OF ALL OF THIS, THE STATE DOES EXIST.

UNDER OCCUPATION, YES, SUBJECT TO COLONIALISM.

THIS IS THE STRUGGLE.

THE STRUGGLE FOR LIBERTY AND NATIONAL INDEPENDENCE.

NOW, IF THIS COMES THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS, ALL THE BETTER, OF COURSE, WE WANT THAT.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE ISRAELI TREND, GENERAL TREND, WHICH HAS PROVED TO BE RIGHT, MORE EXTREME RIGHT, AND LITTLE BIT OF CENTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THIS TREND SEEMS NOT TO BE WILLING TO HAVE SERIOUS SOLUTION.

SEEMS TO BE ONE THING EVERYTHING.

SO WE HAVE MINISTER THAT WOULD COME PUBLICLY AND SAY THIS IS ALL OURS.

UTTER CRAZINESS, THAT HAS TO END, AND I THINK IMPORTANT PART OF IT HAS TO COME FROM THE UNITED STATES, FROM THE NEW BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

I HOPE THAT THIS WILL BE THE CASE AND THEN IF THIS DOES HAPPEN, WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROBABLY TO MOVE AGAIN FORWARD.

SO THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID ISRAEL MAKES THESE CLAIMS.

AND, OF COURSE, THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION GAVE ISRAEL WHAT MANY CALL THE CARTE BLANCHE TO CONTINUE ITS CONTROL OF SO MUCH OF THE WEST BANK.

AND ALSO BROKE OFF DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH YOU, WITH THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY.

NOW THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS SAID IT WANTS TO RESUME THEM.

THEY WANT DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH YOU THE PALESTINIANS.

SHOULD YOU GO BACK TO NEGOTIATIONS?

LET ME SAY THIS FIRST.

THERE ARE SOME PALESTINIANS THAT CLAIM ALL OF THE LAND OF PALESTINE AS THEIRS.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS ISRAELIS SAYING THAT NOW COME FROM THE TOP, COME FROM THE CABINET, AND THAT'S VERY DANGEROUS INDEED.

AS FAR AS TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, I THINK THEY HAVE VIOLATED THE POLICY BEFORE I SPEAK ABOUT INTERNATIONAL LAW AND INTERNATIONAL POSITIONS.

U.S. POLICY ITSELF WAS DRASTICALLY VIOLATED AND, FRANKLY, WHAT TRUMP ADMINISTRATION PRESENTED WAS BASICALLY THE POLICY AND POSITION OF ISRAELI SETTLORS, EXTREME RIGHT AND POLICY AND POSITIONS OF CHRISTIAN SCIENTIST, IF THE TERM IS CORRECT, EXTREME PART OF THEM.

THAT WAS A DEADLOCK.

IT LEADS TO NOTHING BUT MORE BLOOD AND MORE SWEAT AND MORE SUFFERING AND MORE DIFFICULTIES, AND IT SHOULD HAVE ENDED.

FOR PALESTINIANS TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, THE MOST IMPORTANT TIME OF THE U.S. ELECTION WAS WHO WAS LEAVING, NOT WHO WAS COMING.

THERE WAS A SIGH OF RELIEF THAT MR. TRUMP HAS LEFT, AND THAT WAS VERY GOOD NEWS NOT ONLY FOR THE PALESTINIANS, I THINK FOR THE WHOLE WORLD AS WELL.

NOW WE WANT TO SEE A MOVEMENT BACK TO THE ESTABLISHED U.S.

POLICY, MOVEMENT BACK TO RESPECT OF INTERNATIONAL LAW, A MOVEMENT BACK TO MORE BALANCED POLICIES AND POSITION VIS-A-VIS THE PRESIDENTS AND PALESTINIANS AND ISRAELIS.

IF THIS HAPPENS AGAIN, YES, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND MEET THE OTHER SIDE IN THE MIDDLE BASED ON RESPECT OF OUR MUTUAL RIGHTS.

AND THAT, LET ME SPECIFY AGAIN, RESPECT FOR THE EXISTENCE OF THE STATE OF PALESTINE.

VERY, VERY BRIEFLY AND FINALLY, I WANT TO ASK YOU, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SUGGESTIONS OF ELECTIONS IN THE WEST BANK FOR A LONG TIME.

AND EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN CANCELED OVER THE YEARS.

DO YOU BELIEVE THESE PARLIAMENTARY ELECTIONS IN MAY AND THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN JULY WILL ACTUALLY GO AHEAD?

I HOPE SO AND I KEEP MY FINGER CROSSED.

LET ME PUT IT THAT SIMPLE.

ALL RIGHT.

THERE IS A LOT OF FINGER CROSSING TO BE DONE IN YOUR REGION AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

> NOW, THE TRIAL OF DEREK CHAUVIN, THE MINNEAPOLIS OFFICER CHARGED WITH KILLING GEORGE FLOYD, IS SET TO BEGIN ON MONDAY.

OUR NEXT GUEST DELVES INTO THE CHALLENGES OF POLICING AS THEY DEAL WITH INSTITUTIONAL REFORM.

TRACY IS A FORMER CAPTAIN WITH THE DENVER POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THEY COFOUNDED THE CENTER FOR POLICING EQUITY, AND HERE THEY ARE TALKING WITH OUR MICHEL MARTIN ABOUT STRENGTHENING RELATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE.

THANKS, CHRISTIANE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

THANKS FOR HAVING US.

DOCTOR, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT YOU'RE A 25-YEAR POLICE VETERAN.

IN ADDITION TO YOUR ACADEMIC WORK, YOU RETIRED AS A CAPTAIN OF THE DENVER POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND I NEED TO NOTE A POLICE OFFICER WAS KILLED AS HE WENT TO RESPOND TO WHAT BECAME A MASS CASUALTY IN A SUPER MARKET IN BOULDER.

WHAT DOES THIS BRING UP FOR YOU?

IT BRINGS UP A LOT OF THINGS.

THE EMOTIONS WHEN YOU LOSE AN OFFICER IN THE LINE OF DUTY, THE DEVASTATION IT BRINGS NOT ONLY TO THE COMMUNITY HE SERVED, BUT HIS FAMILY AND THE SEVEN CHILDREN HE LEFT BEHIND.

TO LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS TELLS YOU HOW COMPLEX THE SITUATIONS ARE WE'RE DEALING WITH WHEN WE TALK ABOUT POLICING.

WE TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.

IT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE TALK ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE -- WE HAVE AN OFFICER WHO RAN TOWARDS DANGER AS HE WAS TRAINED TO LOSE HIS LIFE.

AND THE OTHER CONVERSATION TO HAVE, A CONVERSATION AROUND HOW OFFICERS ARE TREATING BLACK COMMUNITIES AND OTHER COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.

THERE ARE JUST SO MANY THREADS IN AMERICAN LIFE THAT ARE COLLIDING AT THIS POINT THAT SPEAK TO YOUR WORK.

I MEAN, THE OFFICER WHO HAS BEEN DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD.

THAT TRIAL IS ABOUT TO BEGIN.

BREONNA TAYLOR, HER FAMILY REACHED A SIGNIFICANT SETTLEMENT WITH THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE.

ANOTHER SET OF CHARGES GOING FORWARD ARE CONNECTED TO THE MOB ATTACK ON THE U.S. CAPITOL BACK IN JANUARY.

AND ONE OF THE DISTURBING THINGS THAT HAS EMERGED IS A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF THOSE CHARGED EITHER HAVE TIES TO THE MILITARY OR TIES TO LAW ENFORCEMENT.

WHAT'S THAT ABOUT?

IT'S NOT NEW.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.

THE ISSUE OF WHITE SUPREMACY IN THE MILITARY AND POLICING IS NOT A NEW ISSUE.

WHAT'S NEW IS THE FACT THAT THE LIGHT REALLY NOW HAS BEEN SHOWN ON IT AND PEOPLE HAVE TO RESPOND.

SO, THE QUESTION A LOT OF US HAVE, NOT JUST RETIRED OFFICERS, BUT CURRENT OFFICERS, AND I'M SURE THE MILITARY IS THE SAME WAY, WHAT DO YOU DO?

HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AND FOLKS INSIDE THE ORGANIZATION AND SCREEN SO YOU DON'T CONTINUE TO BRING THEM IN?

AGAIN, IT'S NOT NEW.

BUT IT ALSO REALLY DOES ADD TO WHAT COMMUNITIES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY HAVE BEEN SEEING IN THE WAY IN WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN TREATED, THE WAY IN WHICH THEY ARE BEING APPROACHED ABOUT THEIR OWN PUBLIC SAFETY.

I CAN TELL YOU A LOT OF MY LAW ENFORCEMENT COLLEAGUES WHO WERE VERY MUCH ABOUT PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION WERE AT A LOSS FOR WORDS WHEN YOU HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND YET YOU TAKE THE LIFE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT DID WE REALLY SEE ON THAT MORNING?

AND WHAT WE SAW WAS WHITE SUPREMACY ON DISPLAY AND FOLKS NOT REALLY WANTING TO DEAL WITH THE OUTCOMES OF THAT.

IS IT YOUR SENSE THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE ATTRACTED TO THIS WORK BECAUSE THEY SEE IT AS UPHOLDING THE AUTHORITY OF A CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE OVER OTHER PEOPLE?

I WOULD HOPE THAT SOME PEOPLE NOW KNOW THE HISTORY OF, SAY, THE KU KLUX KLAN INFILTRATION OF POLICE AGENCIES, FOR EXAMPLE, OR AN OVERLAP OF PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY BELONG TO WHITE SUPREMACIST GROUPS IN THEIR OFF TIME AND BELONG TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.

I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IT'S IN THE PAST.

SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT'S BACK THEN, THAT'S NOT NOW.

AND I WOULD SAY THERE MAY BE SOME THAT FEEL THAT WAY.

IF YOU WANT TO ASK WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ORGANIZATION AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE FIELD OF WHITE SUPREMACY, ASK OFFICERS OF COLOR.

WE ON A DAILY BASIS HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH BLACK OFFICERS, THEY ARE NAVIGATING IT, MANAGING IT, TRYING TO GET TO RETIREMENT BECAUSE OF IT.

WHEN YOU ASK WHO IS ATTRACTED TO THIS PARTICULAR PROFESSION, YOU HAVE THOUSANDS OF OFFICERS WHO WANT TO SERVE, THOSE WHO WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

YOU HAVE SOME THAT ARE ATTRACTED TO IT FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS.

THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING AND CONTINUE TO HAVE IS THE TOOLS TO SCREEN PEOPLE IN AND SCREEN PEOPLE OUT.

WHAT WE FIND, EVEN AS WE LOOK ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, YOU CAN LOOK AT PROCESSES FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO JOIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

YOU CAN TELL WHO IS GOING TO BE SCREENED OUT BEFORE THEY GET A CHANCE TO GO INTO THE ECONOMY.

TYPICALLY BLACK MEN AND PARTICULARLY WOMEN OF COLOR.

I THINK THIS IS FROM THE NEW ADMINISTRATION, INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO RECRUITING SO POLICE ORGANIZATIONS CAN REFLECT THEIR COMMUNITY.

WHAT IS SORT OF TONE DEAF ABOUT THAT IS NOT ASKING ABOUT THE EXPERIENCES OF BLACK OFFICERS AND WOMEN IN POLICING TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS THE WAY YOU WANT TO GO.

YOU CAN CERTAINLY INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT IN RECRUITING ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.

BUT ONCE FOLKS GET IN, IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY WERE TOLD IT WAS GOING TO BE.

AND UNLESS YOU DEAL WITH THE CULTURE OF POLICING, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RETAIN PEOPLE.

I'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE CULTURE PIECE.

DR. GOFF, WOULD YOU PICK IT UP?

SOME ARE LOOKING AT IT AND P THINKING THAT'S A HARD JOB EVIDENCED BY THE FACT A MAN WAS KILLED FOR DOING IT.

SOME PEOPLE SAY, WHY WOULD YOU -- WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT JOB IF YOU WERE A BAD PERSON, IF YOU WANTED TO HURT PEOPLE?

PEOPLE WHO DO THAT JOB WANT TO HELP PEOPLE.

HOW CAN BAD THINGS HAPPEN IF GOOD PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HELP PEOPLE DO THAT JOB?

YOU DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR A LIVING, SHOW UP AT THE DOOR AND SAY, I'M READY TO SERVE.

THAT'S A POWERFUL STATEMENT.

THEY'RE TRAINED TO PUT THEMSELVES BETWEEN DANGER AND THE REST OF THEIR COMMUNITY.

WE CAN'T LET GO OF THAT AND FORGET THAT AS IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

IT HAPPENS.

OFFICER GOODMAN, WHO WAS A HERO ON JANUARY 6, EVERYBODY SAID LOOK AT THIS BLACK MAN SAVING ALL OF CONGRESS.

THAT IS A SWORN OFFICER, RIGHT.

IT'S A SWORN OFFICER WHO WAS CALLED A TRAITOR BY THE PEOPLE ON THE STEPS OF THE CAPITOL.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT WHO SHOWS UP AND DOES LAW ENFORCEMENT.

IT'S WHAT WE ALLOW, WHAT WE REQUIRE LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DO AS A RESIDENCE OF COMMUNITY.

LAW ENFORCEMENT DIDN'T JUST SHOW UP IN CENTRAL PARK.

THEY WERE CALLED.

LAW ENFORCEMENT DIDN'T DECIDE THEY WANTED TO BE THE FIRST RESPONDERS TO SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND MENTAL HEALTH AND HOMELESSNESS.

WE DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO TAKE MONEY OUT OF THOSE COMMUNITIES AND SEND LAW ENFORCEMENT INSTEAD.

THINK ABOUT THAT JUST FOR A SECOND.

AS A COUNTRY, COMMUNITY BY COMMUNITY, CITY BY CITY, STATE BY STATE, WE DECIDED INSTEAD OF HAVING SERVICES FOR FOLKS WHO ARE HAVING THE WORST TIME OF THEIR LIVES, WE WERE ONLY GOING TO HAVE THAT SUPPORT, SERVICES TO GET BETTER, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE SERVICES WHOSE MISSION WAS TO DETERMINE THE NEED FOR PUNISHMENT.

SO ON TWO LEVELS, WE'VE GOT TO GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE INTO THE JOB, BUT WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT THE JOB SHOULD BE.

BECAUSE IF THE JOB IS ONLY GOING TO BE WHEREVER THERE ARE BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE STRUGGLING, I WANT TO SEND BADGES AND GUNS.

I WANT TO SEND PEOPLE WHOSE JOB IT IS TO DETERMINE SHOULD WE TAKE AWAY LIBERTY, SHOULD WE TAKE AWAY RIGHTS?

DON'T BLAME LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND EXECUTIVES THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY SHOW UP.

BLAME US BECAUSE WE KEPT DECIDING THAT IS THE MISSION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN, BUT DECIDING THE RIGHT MISSION FOR THOSE PEOPLE, THAT'S WHAT COMMUNITIES ACROSS COUNTRY ARE FIGURING OUT.

WHAT COULD PUBLIC SAFETY LOOK LIKE?

THE REASON YOU'RE HEARING PEOPLE SAY REIMAGINE, BECAUSE OFTEN WE'RE STUCK IN THE TRAP THAT EITHER YOU HAVE TO HAVE COPS OR YOU HAVE TO HAVE LAWLESSNESS AS IF THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO PUT A SOCIETY TOGETHER.

TALK ABOUT THAT, YOU MENTIONED A NUMBER OF JURISDICTIONS A WAY TO RE-IMAGINE THE WAY POLICING IS DONE, ELECTED AS PROSECUTORS.

PROSECUTORS DETERMINE WHAT CASES WILL BE BROUGHT AND HOW THOSE CASES WILL BE DISPOSED OF.

PRESUMABLY THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE INCENTIVE FOR THE BEHAVIOR HAPPENING ON THE STREETS.

WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS A FURIOUS REACTION TO THESE REFORMIST MOVES, EVEN THOUGH THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ELECTED, YOU KNOW, BY THE PEOPLE.

BUT WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?

WHAT DOES THAT SAY?

I THINK IT'S CLEAR THERE ARE SOME FORMS OF POWER BEING THREATENED IN A WAY THEY DON'T LIKE.

I WANT TO BE ALSO CLEAR THIS, TOO, IS NOT NEW.

WHATEVER FOLKS CAME BY AND SAID, THE POWER THAT SHAPES THE UNITED STATES INTO A WHITE SUPREMACIST SOCIETY IS GOING TO BE CHALLENGED.

WHITE SUPREMACY SAID, YOU FORGOT ABOUT US.

WE'RE STILL HERE.

THAT'S WHERE VIOLENCE HAPPENS, MASS VIOLENCE, THREATS HAPPEN.

THE FBI IS MOBILIZED AGAINST THE NOTION OF JUST BLACK LIBERATION.

IF YOU THINK OF A SIMPLER VERSION OF IT, NOT JUST THE PROSECUTOR, BUT THE BATTLE CRY THAT SORT OF COHERED THIS MOMENT IN THE LONG STRUGGLE OF EMANCIPATION AND LIBERTY.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

HOW ANODYNE A STATEMENT IS THAT?

BLACK LIVES ARE NIFTY.

BLACK LIVES ARE NOT TO BE DEGRADED, TO BE DISCARDED.

THAT HAS LED TO FOLKS CALLING FOR FURTHER PROSECUTION, TO NEW FEDERAL PENALTIES FOR BLACK IDENTITY EXTREMISTS.

THE POWER IN THE UNITED STATES IS NOT JUST CORPORATE POWER, THOUGH IT'S ALSO THAT.

IT'S NOT JUST ELECTED POWER ALTHOUGH IT'S ALSO THAT.

IT'S ALSO THE POWER OF WHITE RACIAL POLITICS.

IT IS BEING THREATENED NOW MORE THAN WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST SEVERAL DECADES.

DOCTOR, LET ME GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.

DO YOU SEE AN APPETITE IN ANY DEPARTMENT FOR -- WHAT DO YOU SEE AS A PERSON WHO HAS EVER DONE THAT JOB, WHO HAS BEEN ON THE STREET, IN PATROL CARS AND WORKS WITH PEOPLE THROUGHOUT YOUR CAREER AND NOW HAVE A LOOK AT IT FROM A RESEARCH PERSPECTIVE.

AS WE LOOK ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WE'RE SEEING COMMUNITIES EXERCISING THEIR POWER.

IT WAS HISTORICALLY COUNTED ON THEY WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION OR WHAT IS GOOD WITH IT.

WHAT WE SEE IN THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING WITH TOWER CHIEFS THAT REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE PROVIDING THE RIGHT TYPE OF SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I WANT TO SAY THAT JUST FLAT-OUT.

THEY WANT TO SEE IT.

WHERE YOU FIND A LOT OF THE STRUGGLE HAPPENING IS UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT SHOULD HAPPEN AND WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE.

THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CONCERN IN REGARDS TO, WE'VE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WHAT DO WE DO, HOW DO WE HELP GET THROUGH THIS SPIKED ENVIRONMENT CRIME?

HOW DO WE GET SERVICES?

WE'RE TRYING TO MANAGE THAT PIECE.

THAT'S IN ADDITION TO HOW DOES THE SERVICE IN AN EQUITABLE SENSE GET PARSED OUT.

SO IF YOU HAVE FOLKS THAT HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, YOU'LL HEAR THIS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THERE ISN'T A CHIEF THAT WILL TELL YOU WE SHOULDN'T BE ANSWERING CALLS IN A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS.

WHAT THEY WILL TELL YOU IS THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE CALLS AS WELL WHERE FOLKS HAVE NOT BEEN ON THEIR MEDS, THEY MAY BE VIOLENT.

HOW DO WE HELP PROTECT THOSE WORKERS GOING IN?

YOU HEAR THOSE HEALTHY CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING.

I'M THINKING ABOUT ANOTHER CASE FROM COLORADO, ELIJAH McLANE, GREW UP IN COLORADO, HE'S WALKING ALONG THE STREET, GOING HOME, TACKLED BY A POLICE OFFICER FOR REASONS NOBODY CAN DETERMINE, REALLY.

HE'S INJECTED WITH A POWERFUL SEDATIVE, AND HE DIED.

HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS?

I MEAN, WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE SO THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN?

THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK DONE AFTER ELIJAH McLANE'S DEATH.

THEY DID A INCREDIBLE -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW IT.

THEY DID AN INCREDIBLE REVIEW OF THE ENTIRE PROCESS TO EVEN SAY THE STOP WAS NOT LEGAL.

WHAT HE NEEDED WAS A MENTAL HEALTH SERVICE.

IF YOU GO ON THESE CALLS LIKE MOST OF US HAVE AND YOU WALK INTO THESE SPACES, AND YOU YOURSELF ARE SAYING, I'M NOT WHAT THESE PEOPLE NEED.

I'VE NOT WHAT THEY NEED, BUT ALL I HAVE IS THIS.

IF THERE IS SOMETHING IN THERE THAT MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME LEVEL OF COMFORT, SOME LEVEL OF SERVICE, IF I CAN, I WILL.

THE NUMBER ONE THING WE'RE HEARING ON THE PUSHBACK AROUND THE REIMAGINING WORK, THE FIRST NARRATIVE IS WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF ALL OUR ARMED OFFICERS.

IT'S TO REDUCE THAT FOOTPRINT TO HAVE OFFICERS DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO AND THAT'S CRIME.

WHEN WE DO THE ANALYSIS OF THE 911 CALLS, 2% OF THE CALLS ARE VIOLENT CRIME.

THE REST ARE SOCIAL SERVICE CALLS.

THAT TELLS YOU THAT WE'RE OUT OF ALIGNMENT HERE ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AND PROVIDING THIS COMMUNITY.

ANOTHER SORT OF ISSUE THAT HAS EMERGED IN RECENT WEEKS, THOUGH IT'S CLEARLY BEEN GOING NUTS, IT'S THE RISE OF ASSAULT ON PEOPLE OF ASIAN DESCENT.

I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU HOW WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THIS.

YOU'RE ALREADY SEEING THE CONSERVATIVE MEDIA A DESIRE TO MOVE THE FOCUS TO BLACK ON ASIAN CRIME.

THAT IS A THING THAT IS HAPPENING.

A RENEWED FOCUS ON, AGAIN, THIS NOTION THAT DEFUNDING THE POLICE IS THE CAUSE OF THIS SPIKE IN ASSAULT.

HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THIS?

HOW SHOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT THIS?

YEAH, SO I THINK PART OF THE REASON WHY IT'S CONFUSING IN THE SPACE WE'RE IN NOW IS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN SO DISHONEST ABOUT OUR HISTORY.

WHEN YOU HAVE FOLKS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SOCIAL HIERARCHY FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER, IT'S REALLY EASY TO TAKE THE CAMEL AND FOCUS IN ON THEM AND SAY WHY DO THEY HATE EACH OTHER SO MUCH AND NOT ZOOM OUT AND SAY IT'S IN PART BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN SO FEW RESOURCES.

THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE BENEFITING FROM THIS.

PART OF THE WAY WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THIS IS YOU'VE GOT IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES WITH, YOU KNOW, BORN IN THE UNITED STATES, NATIVE TO THE UNITED STATES IN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE PUT IN TERRIBLE POSITIONS OF VULNERABILITY, ECONOMIC VULNERABILITY AND A LACK OF SOCIAL POWER.

SO THAT CREATES TENSION BECAUSE AIN'T NOBODY GOT ENOUGH IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.

THOSE TENSIONS BECOME RACIAL LIES IN THE SERVICE OF FOLKS WHO ARE EXTRACTING ALL OF THOSE RESOURCES OUT OF THOSE COMMUNITIES IN THE FIRST PLACE.

IF WE HAD A BROADER LENS AND BROADER UNDERSTANDING OF WHO IS BENEFITING AND WHO IS ACTUALLY SUFFERING, WE WOULD BLAME THE FOLKS WHO HAVE VERY LITTLE FAR LEFT THAT WE DO.

THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS IS WE TEND TO FRAME CONFLICT IN THE UNITED STATES AROUND RACE AS IF ONLY BLACK PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE EXIST.

AND IT IS NOT THAT CONTEST, THAT SIN OF SLAVERY.

WE CALL IT THE ORIGINAL SIN, BUT HOW DO YOU HAVE STOLEN PEOPLE DOING ALL THIS LABOR UNLESS YOU ALSO HAVE LAND THAT'S BEEN STOLEN, RIGHT?

SO THE GENOCIDE FOR NATIVE AND BROTHERS AND SISTERS, WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, AND THE IMPORTED INDENTURED SERVITUDE THAT ASIANS HAD TO DO, THE BACKBREAKING RAILROAD WORK, THE VIOLENCE THAT HELPED BUILD THE CAPITAL RESOURCES OF THE COUNTRY.

WHEN WE FRAME RACISM AS IF IT'S A WHITE THING HAPPENING TO BLACK PEOPLE AND WE DON'T FRAME IT AS PART OF THIS LARGER PROJECT, AN EXTRACTION OF RESOURCES FROM BLACK FOLKS AND BROWN FOLKS AND RED FOLKS, FROM ASIAN FOLKS AND NATIVE FOLKS, EVERYBODY.

IF WE DON'T FRAME IT THAT WAY, THEN IT'S EASY TO THINK THAT THE PROBLEM IS BETWEEN WHOEVER WE CATCH ON CAMERA IN THAT MOMENT.

I WANTED TO ASK WHAT YOU THINK THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION SHOULD BE DOING RIGHT NOW.

SO, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IS HAPPENING, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS NEW ADMINISTRATION, THERE IS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT POLICING IS REALLY LOCAL.

WE HAVE VIOLENCE INTERRUPTERS THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY WHO HAVE STEPPED IN IN COMMUNITIES AND HAVE DONE THINGS THAT POLICE COULD NOT DO.

YOU HAVE TO INVEST IN THAT WORK THAT IS HAPPENING, AND THERE SEEMS TO BE, FOR SOME REASON, A REASON NOT TO WANT TO DO THAT.

TO WANT TO PUT IT IN SOME KIND OF STRUCTURE THAT FEELS ACCEPTABLE OTHER THAN WHAT MAY WORK AND DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE WAY WE THINK IT SHOULD.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT BELIEVE IN THE GEORGE FLOYD ACT THAT WILL BE HELPFUL.

FOR US, WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT DATA COLLECTION.

IN SOME OF THAT WORK THERE IS CONVERSATION ABOUT COLLECTING DATA.

WE COLLECT EVERYTHING.

DO NOT RESTRICT.

BE VERY CLEAR.

WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS ON OUR WEBSITE THAT HELPS GUIDE THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT SHOULD EVERYBODY BE COLLECTING SO WE TRULY CAN BEGIN TO LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SUPPLEMENT THE WORK THAT IS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND.

THE THING THAT I WANT FOLKS HEARING BITS AND PIECES OF, I WANT US TO GAIN THE KIND OF HISTORICAL LITERACY WHERE THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES.

THERE ARE THINGS WE HAVE DONE IN THIS COUNTRY TO ACCUMULATE WEALTH AND POWER IN INCREDIBLY CONCENTRATED WAYS, AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ON THE BACKS OF IMMIGRANTS AND DARKER-SKIN FOLKS, RIGHT.

THAT IS NOT KNOWN, NOT AS WIDELY AS IT NEEDS TO BE.

IT IS NOT ACKNOWLEDGED AND WE DON'T ACT ON IT.

SO IF WE DON'T HAVE A FULL ACCOUNTING IN THE WAYS THIS COUNTRY HAS BENEFITED FROM OUR TERRIBLE TREATMENT OF VULNERABLE FOLKS, THERE'S NO WAY TO BUILD THE STRUCTURES THAT PREVENT THAT EXPLOITATION GOING FORWARD, INCLUDING POLICING.

THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING WITH US TODAY AND SHARING YOUR EXPERTISE.

THANK YOU, MICHEL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MICHEL.

SO MUCH ACKNOWLEDGING AND SUCH A RECKONING STILL TO BE DONE.

AND FINALLY TONIGHT, A MUSICAL ODYSSEY TO ONE OF THE MOST REMOTE PLACES ON EARTH.

MAHANI'S LOVE FOR CLASSICAL MUSIC BEGAN AS A CHILD WHEN THE FIRST PIANO ARRIVED ON EASTER ISLAND AS IT'S BEST BEEN KNOWN EVER SINCE THE FIRST EUROPEAN EXPLORER NAMED IT BACK IN 1772.

SHE WENT ON TO BECOME AN INTERNATIONAL CONCERT PLAYER.

HERE PERFORMING CHOPIN IN SEATTLE FROM HER NEW ALBUM, RAPANUI ODYSSEY.

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BUT THEN MAHANI GAVE IT ALL UP TO CREATE THE FIRST MUSIC SCHOOL AT HOME.

IT'S A FASCINATING STORY AND MAHANI TEAVI JOINS ME.

WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY JOIN US FROM SO FAR AWAY.

I THINK YOU'RE 2,000 MILES OFF THE COAST OF CHILE IN THE PACIFIC.

SO, TELL ME WHAT AND WHY YOU DECIDED TO END YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR GLOBAL CONCERT CAREER AND TAKE IT BACK HOME.

HELLO, CHRISTIANE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INVITATION TO THE PROGRAM.

ABOUT ENDING A CAREER, I DON'T THINK IT WAS -- THAT WAS EXACTLY MY INTENTION, BUT I DID HAVE A FEELING THAT I NEEDED SOME WAY TO HELP THE ISLAND AND CHILDREN THAT ARE HERE.

I HAD A CHANCE TO PURSUE A MUSICAL DREAM.

ALL THE TALENT THAT ARE HERE IN THE ISLAND THAT NEEDED DEVELOPING AND NURTURING WERE NOT HAVING THAT CHANCE, SO I FELT THERE ARE SO MANY WONDERFUL MUSICIANS OUT THERE, THEY DON'T NEED, YOU KNOW, NEAR PIANIST.

I WANTED TO PLAY BECAUSE I WANTED TO GIVE MUSIC TO THE PEOPLE AND I DID NOT WANT TO CONTINUE DOING THE CONCERTS, WHICH I DID.

BUT MY IDEA WAS NOT TO CONTINUE PLAYING CONCERTS EVERY OTHER DAY OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT WAS TO BE ABLE TO COMBINE BOTH THINGS.

TO DO THE CONCERTS AND TO CREATE MUSIC AND TAKE A SCHOOL TO THE ISLAND FOR THE CHILDREN.

WHEN YOU WERE A CHILD, YOU ENCOUNTERED THE FIRST PIANO.

WAS IT THE FIRST ON THE ISLAND?

HOW DID THAT GET TO YOU AND HOW DID YOU LEARN?

HOW DID YOU BECOME A PIANIST?

WELL, IT WAS SOMEHOW JUST IN MY BLOOD, THIS DESIRE TO DO MUSIC.

WHEN THE FIRST PIANO ARRIVED, I WAS SO EXCITED.

I HAD HEARD CLASSICAL MUSIC FROM THE BALLET CLASSES I WAS HAVING.

A TEACHER HAD COME FOR A YEAR AND THEN SHE LEFT.

BUT I HAD THE CHANCE TO LISTEN TO THE 'NUTCRACKER' AND OTHER BEAUTIFUL MUSIC AND I WAS JUST OVERWHELMED WITH THE DESIRE TO LEARN THE PIANO.

AND WHEN THAT CHANCE HAPPENED, IT WAS AMAZING.

I KNEW LATER -- A FEW MONTHS LATER, SOME MONTHS LATER, THE TEACHER WAS HAVING TO LEAVE THE ISLAND AND A FAMOUS PIANIST CAME TO THE ISLAND AND HEARD ME AND TOLD MY FAMILY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR DAUGHTER THE OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY, YOU BETTER LEAVE THE ISLAND BECAUSE OTHERWISE SHE WON'T BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THAT TALENT.

WE MOVED TO CHILE AND LATER I HAD THE CHANCE TO CONTINUE STUDYING IN THE UNITED STATES WITH AN AMAZING TEACHER WHO I PROFOUNDLY ADMIRE AND LOVE.

AND I CONTINUED IN GERMANY.

IT WAS JUST A TREMENDOUSLY ENRICHING CHANCE THAT I WAS HAVING TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP AND GROW IN WHAT I LOVE SO MUCH.

IT'S AMAZING, YOU BROUGHT ALL THESE GIFTS BACK FOR THE CHILDREN OF YOUR HOMELAND, THE ISLAND.

YOU MADE IT A POINT TO CREATE THIS SCHOOL OUT OF ALL SORTS OF STUFF THAT'S BEEN LEFT THERE BY TOURISTS.

TELL ME ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND HOW YOU BUILT THE SCHOOL.

YES, WELL, I BEGAN WITH OTHER DREAMERS, I WOULD SAY, WHO WENT OUT OF THE ISLAND TO STUDY AND BRING BACK TOOLS TO HELP OUR LAND, WAS IN A WAY TO HAVE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF ENVIRONMENT AND MUSIC AND NATURE AND MEDICINE, TO BE ABLE TO HELP THE ISLAND IN A WAY BECAUSE WE WANT TO HELP THE PLANET.

BUT A PLACE WHERE YOU NEED TO START IS AT YOUR OWN HOME, YOU KNOW.

OUR IDEA WAS THAT BY DOING THIS ON THE ISLAND, THAT IS A SMALL COSMOS IN ITSELF.

WE COULD MAYBE INSPIRE OTHER PLACES AS WELL AND MAYBE IT COULD BE REPLICATED IN OTHER PLACES.

WE BUILT THE FIRST MUSIC SCHOOL WITH RECYCLABLE MATERIALS, SO-CALLED GARBAGE.

IT WAS LED BY MICHAEL REYNOLDS.

WE HAVE SIX YEARS OF GARBAGE IN OUR WALLS.

SOLAR PANELS, SPRING WATER COLLECTORS, THOUSANDS OF TIRES, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BOTTLES AND CANS.

OTHER OF THE FOUNDERS ARE LEADING PROJECTS ALSO RELATED TO SUSTAINABILITY.

LIKE THE SELF-AUTONOMY, THE AGRICULTURAL PROJECTS THAT CAN HELP DIMINISH THE CARBON FOOTPRINT AND BRING IN PRODUCTS FROM THE OUTSIDE.

IN A WAY, WE CAN BRING BACK THIS ANCESTRAL KNOWLEDGE.

THROUGH THE MUSIC, WE CULTIVATE OUR INTELLECT, OUR SPIRITUAL AND EMOTIONAL PART.

WE ALSO NEED TO BE TAKING CARE OF OUR BODY TO WHAT WE EAT, OUR PLANET.

WE HAVE TO BE AWARE AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING DAILY, ON A DAILY BASIS WHERE WE START MAKING A CHANGE.

AND NOT WAITING FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO CHANGE THINGS BECAUSE THAT'S TOO SLOW.

YEAH, WE ALL DO NEED THE WORLD'S GOVERNMENT TO GET ON WITH IT.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT PICTURES OF THE ANCESTRAL STONE STRUCTURES THAT EASTER ISLAND RAPANUI IS SO FAMOUS FOR.

YOU ARE GOING TO PLAY A PERFORMANCE OF YOURS.

IT'S TAKEN FROM ANCESTRAL MUSIC.

WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS PIECE YOU FIND SPECIAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO PLAY?

THIS IS A SONG THAT'S VERY MEMORABLE TO OUR PEOPLE BECAUSE IT TELLS THE STORY OF THE FIRST KING OF THE ISLAND WHO ARRIVED WITH THE ORIGINAL ANCESTORS.

THEY WERE IMMIGRATING FROM A LAND THAT WAS HAVING A NATURAL CATASTROPHE.

THEY WERE SEARCHING FOR A LAND FOR OUR PEOPLE, AND THIS IS THE STORY OF THE KING WHEN HE WAS ABOUT TO PASS AWAY.

HE CALLED ON THEM TO TAKE HIM BACK.

IT'S THE ANTHEM OF THE ISLAND, IN A WAY.

THAT'S GREAT.

WE'RE GOING TO PLAY IT AFTER WE SAY GOOD-BYE.

SO, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND A NEW DOCUMENTARY ON HER LIFE, 'SONG OF RAPANUI' IS AVAILABLE NOW ON AMAZON PRIME.

AS I SAID, WE LEAVE YOU WITH MORE OF HER WONDERFUL MUSIC.

THANKS FOR WATCHING AND GOOD-BYE FROM LONDON.

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