January 6, 2022

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HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP.

ON THIS DAY OF REMEMBRANCE, WE MUST MAKE SURE THAT SUCH ATTACK NEVER, NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.

WASHINGTON REFLECTS ON THE FIRST ANNIVERSARY OF THE ASSAULT ON THE CAPITOL.

I SPEAK TO DEMOCRATIC ROSA DeLAURO WHO WAS TRAPPED INSIDE

WE'RE STANDING ON THE ABYSS OF THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR DEMOCRACY.

BEFORE JANUARY 6th, FORMER REPUBLICAN SENATOR AND DEFENSE SECRETARY WILLIAM COHEN WAS WARNING OF A CRISIS.

ONE YEAR LATER, HE TELLS US WHAT HE THINKS WILL HAPPEN NEXT.

> ALSO AHEAD --

WE'RE SEEING A SYSTEM PUT IN PLACE THAT WILL ENABLE.

YALE PROFESSOR JASON STANLEY WARNS MICHEL MARTIN ABOUT A SMALL GROUP OF AMERICANS ARE TRYING TO WREST CONTROL FROM THE MASSES.

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I'M BIANNA GOLODRYGA IN NEW YORK SITTING IN FOR CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR WHO WILL BE BACK TOMORROW.

IN A BLISTERING SPEECH TO MARK THE FIRST ANNIVERSARY OF THE ASSAULT ON THE CAPITOL PRESIDENT BIDEN DEFENDED DEMOCRACY AND TOOK AIM AT FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND HIS SUPPORTERS IN SOME OF HIS SHARPEST WORDS SINCE ASSUMING OFFICE.

THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS CREATED AND SPREAD A WEB OF LIES ABOUT THE 2020 ELECTION.

HE'S DONE SO BECAUSE HE VALUES POWER OVER PRINCIPLE, BECAUSE HE SEES HIS OWN INTERESTS AS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HIS COUNTRY'S INTERESTS AND AMERICA'S INTERESTS, AND BECAUSE HIS BRUISED EGO MATTERS MORE TO HIM THAN OUR DEMOCRACY OR OUR CONSTITUTION.

HE CAN'T ACCEPT HE LOST.

YOU CAN'T LOVE YOUR COUNTRY ONLY WHEN YOU WIN.

YOU CAN'T OBEY THE LAW ONLY WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT.

YOU CAN'T BE PATRIOTIC WHEN YOU EMBRACE AND ENABLE LIES.

LAWMAKERS AND STAFFERS CAME TOGETHER IN SILENCE AND PRAYER TO REFLECT AND REMEMBER THOSE WHO DIED ON JANUARY 6th, 2021.

IT WAS A DAY THAT BEGAN WITH CONGRESS GATHERING TO CERTIFY THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION RESULTS, WHILE A COUPLE OF MILES AWAY THE OUTGOING PRESIDENT TOLD A RALLY THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN.

NOW LET'S BE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR HERE, THE 2020 ELECTION WAS NOT STOLEN.

THAT WAS A LIE.

WELL, JUST TWO HOURS AFTER TRUMP'S ADDRESS, SOME ATTENDEES OF THAT RALLY SMASHED THEIR WAY INTO THE HEART OF U.S.

DEMOCRACY.

HERE ARE JUST SOME OF THE IMAGES FROM THAT DAY.

TAKE THE HOUSE BACK!

BREAKING THE WINDOWS!

GO, GO, GO, GO!

THESE IMAGES SHOCKED AND HORRIFIED NOT JUST THE U.S. BUT THE WHOLE WORLD WHO WATCHED IT HAPPEN IN REALTIME.

MY FIRST GUEST TONIGHT DIDN'T WATCH IT FROM AFAR, SHE LIVED IT.

DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSWOMAN ROSA DeLAURO, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, CONGRESSWOMAN.

I KNOW THIS MUST HAVE BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT DAY FOR YOU.

TALK ABOUT HOW YOU FELT THIS MORNING APPROACHING WHAT YOU KNEW WOULD BE A DAY OF REFLECTION AND PAIN.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, BIANNA, IT'S WONDERFUL TO BE WITH YOU.

HONESTLY, AS I SAT IN THE HOUSE CHAMBER THIS MORNING, I LIFTED IS WHERE I WAS SITTING ON JANUARY 6th IN 2021, AND WHEN THE CAPITOL POLICE CAME TO THE PODIUM AND THEY SAID THE RIOTERS HAVE BREACHED THE CAPITOL, THEY'RE IN STATUARY HALL, WHICH IS JUST A FEW FEET FROM THE MAIN DOORS OF THE HOUSE CHAMBER, THEY TOLD US TO GRAB OUR GAS MASKS.

I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD GAS MASKS UNDER THE SEATS IN THE HOUSE, AND WE BEGAN OUR JOURNEY AROUND THAT GALLERY, AND THEY JUST SAID YOU GOT TO GO.

WE'VE GOT TO MOVE.

WE'VE GOT TO GET YOU OUT OF HERE.

AND THIS MORNING, I JUST CLOSED MY EYES AND RE-CREATED THAT JOURNEY AROUND THE GALLERY OF THE HOUSE TO THE CEREMONIAL DOOR WHERE WE ULTIMATELY GOT OUT.

BUT GETTING THERE WAS QUITE EXTRAORDINARY AND HARROWING.

FIRST OF ALL, ON A LIGHT NOTE, IT'S NOT CONTIGUOUS SO YOU WERE GOING OVER AND UNDER RAILINGS TO GET THERE.

YOU WERE TRYING TO HOLD ONTO YOUR OTHER COLLEAGUES, MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS ALL RIGHT, AND THERE WERE ONLY SOME YOUNG WOMEN REPORTERS BECAUSE I WAS SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO THE -- WHERE THE REPORTERS SIT IN THE GALLERY, AND WE WERE ALL JOINED TOGETHER TO GET OUT, AND WE SAW THAT THE DOORS OF THE CHAMBER HAD BEEN SMASHED AND THAT THE CAPITOL POLICE HAD BARRIERS UP AGAINST THE DOOR.

WE HEARD GUNSHOTS AND THEY TOLD US TO HIT THE FLOOR, WHICH WE DID, AND WE LAY ON THE FLOOR FOR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, IT SEEMED LIKE AN ETERNITY.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I WASN'T SCARED, BUT WE WERE IN A VERY DANGEROUS -- I KNEW WE WERE IN A DANGEROUS POSITION.

I HAD ONLY SO MUCH JUICE LEFT ON MY CELL PHONE, BUT I WANTED TO CALL MY HUSBAND.

I WAS AFRAID TO TELL HIM THAT I LOVED HIM BECAUSE IT SMACKED OF 9/11, AND THOSE WERE THE LAST JUST SAID I'M OKAY.

THEY'RE GOING TO GET US OUT.

JUST TELL THE KIDS I'M ALL RIGHT.

AND WE WERE EVACUATED, SO I RE-CREATED THIS MORNING THAT JOURNEY AROUND THE GALLERY AS SO MANY OF US WHO WERE IN THE GALLERY THAT MORNING, THAT AFTERNOON DID, AND WE JUST LOOKED UP AND RETRACED OUR STEPS.

IT WAS A HARROWING EXPERIENCE, BUT NOT FOR THE DEDICATION AND THE BRAVERY OF THE CAPITOL POLICE, WE WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE I BELIEVED HAD THE DOORS BEEN BREACHED WHETHER IT WAS IN THE SPEAKER'S LOBBY OR THE MAIN DOORS OF THE CABINET, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT OF BLOODSHED.

AND THANK GOD WE WERE SAFE, THE REPORTERS WERE SAFE, THE STAFF WERE SAFE.

THE PEOPLE AT GREAT RISK, CAPITOL POLICE SUFFERED UNBELIEVABLE BLOWS, AND WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON WE WERE TRAPPED ON THE INSIDE, BUT WE DID NOT KNOW AT THAT JUNCTURE WHAT WAS HAPPENING, AND WE GOT THROUGH THOSE DOORS.

THERE WAS CAPITOL POLICE OVER THE RIOTERS WHO WERE SPREAD EAGLE ON THE FLOOR WITH GUNS POINTED OVER THEM.

IT WAS A COUP, AN ATTEMPTED COUP, AN INSURRECTION WHILE WE WERE TRYING TO CARRY OUT A CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY, COUNTING ELECTORAL BALLOTS TO VERIFY THE ELECTION OF THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

THE STRENGTH OF THIS DEMOCRACY IS SO PALPABLE TODAY.

IT WAS THAT NIGHT AT 8:00 P.M.

WE WENT BACK INTO THE CHAMBER, AND WE CONTINUED TO CERTIFY THIS ELECTION, WHICH WAS, AS YOU POINTED OUT AT THE OUTSET, IT WAS NOT STOLEN ELECTION.

IT WAS A FAIR, FREE ELECTION OF THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE GOOSE BUMPS JUST LISTENING TO YOU REFLECT ON NOT ONLY IN YOUR SURROUNDINGS BUT JUST MENTALLY FOR YOU, AND CALLING YOUR HUSBAND AND REFLECTING UPON THE TRAUMA FROM 9/11 AND THAT TRAGEDY, AND IT MAKES ME THINK AS YOU MENTIONED, THE FACT THAT THE VOTE WAS CERTIFIED LATER THAT NIGHT.

THAT FOR A SHORT, TOO SHORT UNFORTUNATELY, PERIOD OF TIME, THAT PARTISANSHIP WAS PUT ASIDE, AND YOU HAD PEOPLE FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE, REAL AMERICANS COMING TOGETHER TO PERFORM THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY AND CONDEMN THE VIOLENCE THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE THAT DAY INCLUDING DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF FROM REPUBLICAN LEADERS.

THAT WAS SHORT LIVED, AS YOU KNOW.

A FEW WEEKS LATER, THINGS SEEM TO CHANGE AND OBVIOUSLY HERE WE ARE A YEAR LATER WHERE THINGS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

I'M JUST CURIOUS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT 9/11 AND THE DAYS AND MONTHS AND YEARS AFTER, THE COUNTRY REMAINED UNIFIED.

YES, THERE WERE FRINGE ELEMENTS THAT CAME TOGETHER WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES, BUT THAT WASN'T -- THAT WASN'T THE BULK PARTY OR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, AND I'M CURIOUS HOW YOU FEEL A YEAR LATER HAVING GONE THROUGH WHAT YOU DID.

DID YOU THINK THAT WE WOULD BE AS DIVIDED, IF NOT MORE EXACTLY ONE YEAR LATER?

NO, I DIDN'T, BUT AS EVERY DAY REVEALS THIS WAS NOT SPONTANEOUS, THIS WAS A PLANNED, ORGANIZED, BUT IT GOT OUT OF HAND, AND IT GOT SO OUT OF HAND THAT WE LOOK AT 140 OR SO OFFICERS HURT, FIVE DEAD.

THE VIOLENCE AND THE ATTACK ON THE CITADEL OF DEMOCRACY, IT WAS A BUILDING, BUT THAT'S NOT -- THE BUILDING IS JUST SYMBOLIC.

IT WAS WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH REGARD TO OUR DEMOCRACY, AND THERE WAS THE PLANNED OVERTHROW, THERE IS NEW INFORMATION THAT REINFORCES WHAT HAPPENED, AND YOU HAVE TO LAY THE GENESIS OF THIS AT THE FEET OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

HE SAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE DINING ROOM WATCHING WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND DIDN'T -- YOU KNOW, THE NATIONAL GUARD WAS DELAYED.

HE HAD TO GIVE THE WORD, AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE AS CHAIR OF THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE, WE DID HEARINGS AFTERWARD, AND WHAT WE -- WHAT WE UNCOVERED WAS THAT THERE WAS INFORMATION.

THERE WAS INTELLIGENCE.

IT WAS JUST NOT PASSED ON, AND IT WAS JUST NOT ACTED ON SO THAT IT WAS AN EFFORT, AN ATTEMPT TO OVERTURN A FAIR AND FREE ELECTION, BUT I THINK WHAT WE HAVE -- WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY IS A DENIAL, A DENIAL OF THE REALITY OF WHAT HAPPENED, AND YOU KNOW --

WELL, THAT --

YOU CANNOT MOVE FORWARD UNLESS THERE IS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY IT HAPPENED IN TERMS OF OUR BEING ABLE TO MOVE ON.

WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT APPEARED PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD BEEN HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH IN THIS SPEECH TODAY.

HE DIDN'T HAVE TO MENTION PRESIDENT TRUMP'S NAME WITHOUT THE COUNTRY KNOWING EXACTLY WHO HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IN SORT OF A FACT CHECK, TICKING OFF ONE BY ONE ALL OF THE LIES, THE GREAT LIES, THE BIG LIE THAT DIDN'T JUST COME ABOUT ON JANUARY 6th LAST YEAR BUT HAD BEEN BREWING FOR MONTHS BEFORE THAT.

BUT I'M CURIOUS, DO YOU THINK, WHAT WAS YOUR TAKE AND IMPRESSION OF THE SPEECH, AND WILL IT HAVE ANY IMPACT WHATSOEVER WHEN YOU LOOK AT POLLING THAT SUGGESTS, YOU KNOW, 52%, IF NOT MORE OF REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THAT THOSE WHO WERE PRO PROTESTING AND THOSE WHO STORMED THE CAPITOL WERE DEFENDING AND PROTECTING DEMOCRACY?

WELL, I THINK HE MADE A VERY POWERFUL SPEECH, AND I APPLAUD THE SPEECH BECAUSE HE DID LAY IT OUT VERY, VERY CAREFULLY.

THAT IS BEING REINFORCED BY THE METHODICAL AND THE CONSCIENTIOUS WORK OF THE JANUARY 6th COMMISSION HEADED UP BY BENNIE THOMPSON AND LIZ CHENEY.

IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE LIZ CHENEY AND FORMER VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY ON THE FAMILIAR OF THE HOUSE THIS MORNING.

BUT THEY ARE LAYING OUT IN AN UNBIASED WAY WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, AND THAT'S WHERE -- THAT'S WHAT HAS TO BE UNDERSTOOD, AND WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO MAKE THAT UNDERSTOOD.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN DENIAL.

THERE ARE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO ARE IN DENIAL WHO ON THAT VERY DAY SPOKE OUT ABOUT THE VIOLENCE AND CONDEMNED IT AND NOW HAVE JUST PUSHED IT ASIDE AS IF IT DOESN'T EXIST.

AND THAT CANNOT BE THE CASE.

AND ONE OF THE PATHS FORWARD IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH PROTECTING THE RIGHT TO VOTE IN THIS COUNTRY AND NOT SUPPRESS THAT RIGHT TO VOTE BECAUSE THE RIGHT TO VOTE IS THE ULTIMATE DEFENSE AGAINST INSURRECTION, AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO MOVE AS HARD AND FAST AS WE CAN TO GET A VOTING RIGHTS BILL PASSED.

THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PREPARED TO DO AND WHAT I WAS PREPARED TO DO AFTER THIS WITH THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE IS TO PROVIDE THE FUNDING OVER ALMOST A BILLION DOLLARS IN FUNDING FOR THE CAPITOL POLICE AND FOR THE SECURITY OF THE U.S. CAPITOL, WHICH AS I SAID, IS THE CITADEL OF DEMOCRACY.

THESE ARE THE WAYS IN WHICH WE NEED TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD, AND WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO LAY OUT THE FACTS SO THAT IT'S CLEAR TO PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES, AND WE HAVE TO HEAR THE VOICES OF THE LEADERS OF THIS COUNTRY SPEAKING OUT AND TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE FOR SO MANY YEARS, IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT DIVISIVENESS, HATE, VITRIOL AND PITTING ONE PERSON AGAINST ANOTHER.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE FOR THAT TO BE UNDONE, BUT THAT IS WHAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS DONE BECAUSE AS THE PRESIDENT BIDEN SAID THIS MORNING BECAUSE OF A BRUISED EGO, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WIN, AND THIS IS A NATION OF LAWS.

AND WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THE TRANSFER OF POWER IN A PEACEFUL MANNER.

IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHO THEN WAS GOING TO BE PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN.

THERE WAS THE NOTION THAT OUR CONSTITUTION STANDS ON THAT PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER.

RIGHT.

AND PRESIDENT BIDEN REITERATED THAT TODAY BY SAYING NO U.S.

PRESIDENT HAS DONE WHAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT DID.

YOU MENTIONED LIZ AND DICK CHENEY, THEY WERE THE ONLY TWO REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE CHAMBER TODAY.

JUST SAD.

I WAS STRUCK BY A TWEET FROM JONATHAN MARTIN OF THE 'NEW YORK TIMES' WHO SAID A SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE ON JANUARY 6th 2022, SOME OF THE FIERCEST HOUSE CRITICS OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, ROSA DeLAURO, SHEILA JACKSON LEE, DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ AND BETTY THOMPSON ARE LINED UP IN A MINI WEDDING STYLE TO AUFR OFFER GREETINGS TO DKS ICK AND LIZ CHENEY ON THE HOUSE FLOOR.

THAT REALLY IS A TELLING MOMENT TO SEE WHERE THE COUNTRY IS RIGHT NOW.

DO YOU THINK THAT THE COMMITTEE IN THEIR INVESTIGATION, IN THE FEW MONTHS THAT THEY DO HAVE LEFT TO REALLY BRING TEETH TO SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION AND JUSTICE, DO YOU THINK ULTIMATELY THEY WILL GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE ORGANIZATION TO THIS INSURRECTION, AND WILL THOSE WHO ORGANIZED IT, EVEN IF IT RISES UP TO THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, WILL JUSTICE BE BROUGHT TO THEM?

WELL, I BELIEVE THAT THE I THINK THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY DEMONSTRATED A COMMITMENT TO THE TRUTH, AND THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE SEARCHING FOR HERE, AND THEY ARE GOING TO DIG AND DIG AND DIG AND PUT A REPORT TOGETHER AND GET THAT OUT AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN, YES, EVERYONE WHO IS INVOLVED, NO MATTER HOW HIGH IT GOES HAS GOT TO BE ACCOUNTABLE.

THAT WE WILL LEAVE TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, BUT EVERYONE HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE.

THOSE WHO WERE COMPLICIT, IF THAT IS WHAT IS UNCOVERED, MUST BE ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE YOU CANNOT BE PART OF GOVERNMENT IF YOU, IN FACT, WERE WILLING TO OVERTHROW GOVERNMENT.

THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, AND I APPLAUD BOTH LIZ CHENEY AND DICK CHENEY FOR BEING ON THE FLOOR THIS MORNING.

YOU KNOW, I VOTED AGAINST -- MY VERY FIRST VOTE IN THIS BODY ALL THOSE YEARS AGO WAS AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR, AND IT'S NOT -- IT VIEWS OF THE ISSUES.

THAT IS WHAT THE STRENGTH OF THIS DEMOCRACY IS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE AN EXCHANGE OF IDEAS AND WHETHER YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST, BUT THEN IF YOU DON'T WIN, THEN YOU WANT TO DESTROY THE INSTITUTION IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE ANY PRESIDENT OR VICE PRESIDENT OR THE LEADERS OF THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN AND INVOLVED IN OVER THE YEARS.

THIS IS A FIRST, BUT WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO GETTING US ON TRACK AND TO BE ONCE AGAIN A NATION NOT DIVIDED AND A CONGRESS THAT CAN MOVE FORWARD ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, AS CHAIR OF THE HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE, YOU SAID THE DAY AFTER THE ATTACK THAT YOU WERE GOING TO UNDERTAKE A REVIEW OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THEIR RESPONSE.

YOU MENTIONED THIS BRIEFLY IN JUST THIS CONVERSATION THAT YOU AND I ARE HAVING RIGHT NOW.

WHAT, IF ANY, CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE, AND WHAT COULD WE EXPECT, GOD FORBID, IF WE SEE A SIMILAR ATTACK IN THE FUTURE?

WELL, WE ARE MUCH BETTER PREPARED TODAY THAN WE WERE A YEAR AGO, AND I JUST CAME FROM SEEING A WHOLE LOT OF THE CAPITOL POLICE, THOSE OF US WHO WERE IN THE GALLERY, SPONSORED A LUNCH FOR CAPITOL POLICE AND ALL THE EMPLOYEES OF THE HOUSE THAT I WENT DOWN TO SAY HELLO AND TO SAY THANK YOU.

AND THERE IS AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE IN A MUCH BETTER STRENGTH AND POSITION THAN WE WERE A YEAR AGO, THAT BEING SAID AND IT WAS ALMOST A BILLION DOLLARS THAT WE DID FOR THE SECURITY OF THE CAPITOL HARDENING THE CAPITOL, PROVIDING THE EQUIPMENT AND TRAINING TO THE CAPITOL POLICE, AND -- BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME GAPS, AND TO THAT END THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE IS GOING TO HOLD A HEARING NEXT TUESDAY WITH THE NEW SERGEANT OF ARMS, GENERAL WALKER, THE NEW CHIEF OF POLICE TOM MANGER, THE ARCHITECT OF THE CAPITOL, AND CONGRESSMAN RYAN OF OHIO WILL CHAIR THAT COMMITTEE.

I WILL BE THERE TO FIND OUT WHAT HAS BEEN DONE WITH THE FUNDS, AND WHERE, IN FACT, DO WE HAVE SHORTCOMINGS.

ARE WE DOING ENOUGH TRAINING?

ARE WE DOING ENOUGH COUNSELING FOR PEOPLE?

DO THEY -- IS THERE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT, AND WHAT ARE WE DOING TO RECRUIT NEW MEMBERS?

BECAUSE WE -- PEOPLE ARE LEAVING, AND WE NEED TO RECRUIT CAPITOL POLICE WHO ARE WELL-TRAINED AND HAVE THE EQUIPMENT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB, SO I CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON THAT EFFORT, WHICH I CAN THROUGH THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE.

CONGRESSWOMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH AGAIN FOR JOINING US TODAY AND TAKING THE TIME TO RELIVE THAT HORRIBLE DAY ONE YEAR AGO AND TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE SURE IT WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND RELIVING IT SOMETIMES IS HARDER THAN BEING THERE ON THAT DAY WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE VARIOUS DIMENSIONS OF WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.

GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU.

CAN ONLY IMAGINE, THANK YOU FOR SHARING.

> JANUARY 6th DIDN'T COME OUT OF A VACUUM, AND IT DIDN'T VANISH WITHOUT A TRACE.

MY NEXT GUEST, A FORMER REPUBLICAN SENATOR AND DEFENSE SECRETARY WILLIAM COHEN WAS WARNING OF AN IMPENDING DISASTER BEFORE THE STORMING OF THE CAPITOL, AND HE JOINS ME NOW FROM WASHINGTON, D.C.

SECRETARY, SOMETIMES YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO GIVE YOURSELF A PAT ON THE BACK FOR BEING PRESCIENT AND SOMETIMES YOU WISH YOU WEREN'T RIGHT, AND I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S THE LATTER FOR YOU RELIVING WHAT HAPPENED ONE YEAR AGO TODAY AND WHERE WE ARE AS A COUNTRY TODAY ONE YEAR LATER.

WELL, IT'S DISHEARTENING BECAUSE I SPENT A QUARTER OF A CENTURY ON CAPITOL HILL, AND EVERY DAY THAT I DROVE INTO MY OFFICE AND LOOKED UP AT THE CAPITOL, I FELT THE SPINAL SHIVER SAYING WHAT A GREAT COUNTRY IT IS TO LIVE FREE AND WITH LIBERTY FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE.

THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING OF A MYTH FOR MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T ALL BEEN FREE AND BACK TO THE FOUNDING OF THE CONSTITUTION, THE WRITING OF THE CONSTITUTION, THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION ALL THE WAY THROUGH 13, 14, 15th AMENDMENT, ET CETERA, TO SHOW THAT WE HAVEN'T LIVED UP TO OUR DECLARED IDEALS, BUT NONETHELESS, I FELT A THRILL GOING INTO WORK.

I WORSHIPPED MY COLLEAGUES THAT I SERVED WITH, AND I WAS ACTUALLY -- WENT THROUGH A PERIOD OF SHOCK, ANGER, DEEP RESENTMENT OVER THE DEFILEMENT OF THE U.S. CAPITOL.

TO SEE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE STORMING THE CAPITOL, IT REMINDED ME OF THE IMAGE OF JOHN LEWIS BEING BEATEN WHEN HE WAS TRYING TO CROSS THE EDMUND PETTUS BRIDGE.

THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WERE ATTACKING THE CAPITOL WERE ATTACKING JOHN LEWIS, AND IT BRINGS ME TO THE CONTRADICTION, AT LEAST, AND THE HYPOCRISY AND DUPLICITY OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO WILL HONOR THE CASKET OF JOHN LEWIS LYING IN STATE, BOB DOLE LYING IN STATE, JOHN McCAIN LYING IN STATE, AND THEN ENGAGE IN THE KIND OF HYPOCRISY WHERE THEY'RE PREPARED TO DEPRIVE PEOPLE OF THE RIGHT TO VOTE WHO WERE DOING EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO PERPETUATE A FRAUDULENT LIE UPON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

SO LAST YEAR WAS A HELLISH MOMENT FOR THE UNITED STATES, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT WE HAVE PROGRESSED VERY MUCH.

YOU CAN SAY WE'VE INCREASED A BILLION DOLLARS FOR THE BUDGET FOR THE POLICE, BUT NO AMOUNT OF POLICE IS GOING TO SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION IF IT'S NOT IN THE HEARTS AND THE MINDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, SO THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO CONCENTRATE.

WHAT IS IT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY STANDS FOR TODAY?

DOES IT STAND FOR TRUTH?

ONE PROFESSOR SAID WE ARE LIVING IN A POST-TRUTH ERA.

WELL, POST-TRUTH MEANS PRE-FASCIST, AND I THINK WE'RE CLOSER TO A PRE-FASCIST ERA THAN WE ARE TO A TRUTHFUL ONE THAT WE HAD BEEN LIVING IN IN THE PAST.

WELL, AND JUST TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WHAT WE HEARD FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN TODAY AND WHAT I WOULD ARGUE IS ONE OF HIS MOST POWERFUL SPEECHES YET WAS JUST THE FACT CHECKING OF NOT ONLY WHAT IT MEANS TO BE IN A DEMOCRACY, WHICH MEANS YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU WIN OR LOSE, WE'RE NOT FAIR WEATHER CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES, AND HE FACT CHECKED AND DISPELLED EVERY SINGLE LIE THAT WAS TOLD BY FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS SUPPORTERS.

THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, HE DID HIT ON SOMETHING THAT I WONDER IF IT SPEAKS TO WHAT YOU'RE THAT NO OTHER REPUBLICAN MEMBER OF CONGRESS OR POLITICIAN RAISED THEIR OWN ELECTIONS, RIGHT?

THEY WERE ON THE SAME BALLOTS THAT DAY.

THEY WERE DOWN BALLOT TICKETS, AND YET, ALL OF THE FRAUD AND MISGIVINGS THAT THEY SAY HAPPENED ONLY AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET, WHICH JUST WOULD NEVER MAKE SENSE, SO IS IT LESS ABOUT DISPELLING A LIE OR MORE ABOUT PEOPLE BELIEVING WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE REGARDLESS OF THE FACTS?

I THINK TOO MANY MILLIONS OF AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE DRINKING FROM LEAD-LINED SEWER PIPES, THAT DISINFORMATION, MISINFORMATION, LIES ARE BEING FED THROUGH THAT LEAD-LINED PIPE, AND IT'S ACTUALLY POISONING THEIR BRAINS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, FORMER PRESIDENT SAYS AND DOES, WITHOUT REGARD TO THE FACTS.

AND SO IT'S DISCOURAGING TO THINK THAT WE HAVE THE BENEFIT INFORMATION THAN AT ANY TIME IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PLANET, AND YET, WE HAVE JUST AS MUCH DISINFORMATION.

THE BOTTOM OF THE SEWER BUBBLING UP INTO MAINSTREAM MEDIA THAT ALTERS THE BRAIN POWERS OF TOO MANY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN TRUTH, THEN WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN?

YOU BELIEVE IN LIES.

SO WHAT'S BECOME -- THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BECOME THE LIAR'S CLUB, AND THE MEMBERSHIP IS SIMPLY TELL A LIE OR BELIEVE A LIE, AND THE DUES YOU PAY IS CONTRIBUTE TO THE AGGRANDIZEMENT OF THAT POWER IN THE NAME OF DONALD TRUMP AND HIS FAMILY MEMBERS.

AND SO I THINK THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT I BELONG TO NO LONGER EXISTS.

IT CONSISTED OF PEOPLE LIKE BOB DOLE AND JACK DANFORTH AND WARREN RUDMAN, AND AL SIMPSON AND DAN COATS AND SO MANY OTHERS WHO BELIEVED IN THE RULE OF LAW AND THE PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF THE MAJORITY OF THE REPUBLICANS WHO SERVED AND BY THE WAY, THEY SERVED WITH A TITLE OF THE HONORABLE.

AND I DON'T CONSIDER THEM TO BE HONORABLE IF THEY CONTINUE TO BUY INTO THE LIE THAT THIS LAST ELECTION WAS STOLEN.

WHERE IS THE PROOF?

SHOW ME THE MONEY AS THE MOVIE USED TO SAY.

SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE THAT THIS WAS SOMEHOW STOLEN, AND THEY CAN'T AND THEY HAVEN'T.

IT'S BEEN REJECTED BY EVERY COURT.

SO I THINK IT'S JUST A LIAR'S CLUB AND THAT'S A SHAME FOR OUR COUNTRY.

THERE IS NO PROOF BECAUSE FRANKLY -- AND PRESIDENT BIDEN REITERATED THIS TODAY -- 2020 WAS THE MOST SECURE AND SAFEST ELECTION THIS COUNTRY HAS HAD.

I WANT TO BRING UP THIS ARTICLE THAT THE THREE RETIRED GENERALS CO-AUTHORED, AND THEY -- THIS WAS JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO IN WHICH THEY SAY THAT THEY ARE, QUOTE, CHILLED TO OUR BONES AT THE THOUGHT OF A COUP SUCCEEDING NEXT TIME, AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT ONE OUT OF TEN OF THOSE WHO STORMED THE CAPITOL THAT HAD BEEN CHARGED HAD SOME IT WORRIED THEM ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS ABOUT NOT ONLY WHERE THE COUNTRY IS TODAY, BUT OBVIOUSLY GOING FORWARD IN TERMS OF WHO'S IN CHARGE AND WHO GIVES THE ORDERS ULTIMATELY.

HERE'S -- I WANT TO READ FROM THE PIECE.

THE POTENTIAL FOR A TOTAL BREAKDOWN OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND ALONG PARTISAN LINES FROM THE TOP OF THE CHAIN TO SQUAD LEVEL IS SIGNIFICANT, SHOULD ANOTHER INSURRECTION OCCUR.

THE IDEA OF ROGUE UNITS ORGANIZING AMONG THEMSELVES TO SUPPORT THE RIGHTFUL COMMANDER IN CHIEF CANNOT BE DISMISSED.

IMAGINE COMPETING COMMANDERS IN CHIEF, A NEWLY REELECTED BIDEN GIVING ORDERS VERSUS TRUMP OR ANOTHER TRUMPIAN FIGURE ISSUING ORDER S AS THE HEAD OF A SHADOW GOVERNMENT.

IT'S FRIGHTENING TO THINK TO HAVE THAT AND ONE LOOKS AT COUNTRIES, UNSTABLE COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD GOING THROUGH A SCENARIO LIKE THAT.

UNFATHOMABLE TO THINK THAT IT COULD HAPPEN IN THE UNITED STATES, AND HERE YOU HAVE LAID OUT BY THREE FORMER GENERALS WHO

MM-HMM.

WELL, ONE OF THE SINGULAR FEATURES OF OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN THE SUBORDINATION OF THE MILITARY TO CIVILIAN RULE.

THE PROBLEM ALSO IS AT THE TOP.

IF YOU HAVE A CIVILIAN COMMANDER WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF LAW, WHO BELIEVES IN THE LAW OF RULE AND THEN GIVES DIRECTIVES TO PEOPLE HE APPOINTS WHO WILL BEND TO HIS WILL OR TO HIS PERVERSION OF THE RULE OF LAW, WE CAME CLOSE.

PRESIDENT -- FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP TRIED TO PUT IN PLACE -- HE HAD FOUR SECRETARIES OF DEFENSE IN FOUR YEARS.

HE TRIED TO PUT IN PLACE THOSE WHO WOULD SUBVERT THE RULE OF LAW AND SIMPLY ABIDE BY WHATEVER COMMAND HE GAVE THEM.

THAT WAS THE REASON WHY THERE WERE -- EVERY LIVING SECRETARY OF DEFENSE BEFORE THE JANUARY 6th ASSAULT UPON OUR CAPITOL WROTE A LETTER SAYING WE NEED TO BE FOREWARNED THAT THERE'S TALK THE INSURRECTION ACT, TO IMPOSE MARTIAL LAW TO OVERTURN THIS ELECTION.

THERE'S A REAL FEAR THAT SOMEONE LIKE TRUMP WHO DOESN'T GIVE A HOOT ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW COULD ONCE AGAIN ASSUME POWER AND NOT HAVE TO FACE THE ELECTORATE EVER AGAIN AND PUT IN PLACE PEOPLE WHO WOULD CARRY OUT WHATEVER ORDER HE GAVE ILLEGAL OR NOT, SUSPENSION OF HUMAN RIGHTS, CIVIL RIGHTS, HABEAS CORPUS, WHATEVER HE WANTED TO DO.

SO I THINK THAT WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE FRAGILITY OF OUR DEMOCRACY, THAT THIS SENDS A SIGNAL NOT ONLY TO ALL OF US WHO LIVE IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY, BUT TO ALL OF OUR ENEMIES, ADVERSARIES, COMPETITORS THAT THE UNITED STATES IS DIVIDED FROM WITHIN AND WE'VE SOWN DOUBT TO THOSE WHO ARE ABOUT.

I THINK IT'S A DANGEROUS POINT FOR US, WE'RE STILL A VERY STRONG MILITARY COUNTRY FOR SURE BUT THE RULE OF LAW IS UNDER ASSAULT, AND IT'S UNDER ASSAULT FROM WITHOUT, AND IT'S ALSO UNDER ASSAULT FROM WITHIN.

SO WE HAVE TO DEDICATE OURSELVES TO FIGHTING BACK TO CHALLENGE THOSE WHO SHOUT LOUDER THAN ANYBODY ELSE, WHO USE INCIVILITY, DEMAGOGUERY, AND THE THREAT OF ABUSE, OF PHYSICAL ASSAULT IN ORDER TO OVERRIDE THE VOICE OF REASON.

SO WE'VE GOT A FIGHT ON OUR HANDS, AND THE QUESTION IS ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE PREPARED FOR THAT FIGHT.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG HAUL OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS.

YEAH, YOU MENTIONED HOW OUR -- I WOULD SAY ALLIES AND FOES ABROAD HAD BEEN WATCHING WHAT TRANSPIRED A YEAR AGO, AND YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT WE HEARD, THE CHINESE OFFICIALS, THEY WERE FRIGHTENED BY THIS INSTABILITY.

THE WORLD'S LEADING NUCLEAR POWER IS IN THE PROCESS OF SOMETHING THAT NO ONE HAD SEEN IN CENTURIES TAKE PLACE AT ITS CAPITOL.

PRESIDENT BIDEN TOUCHED ON THIS VERY ISSUE AND WHAT MESSAGE IT SENDS TO OUR ALLIES, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY OUR ADVERSARIES.

I WANT TO PLAY A CLIP FROM THIS.

FROM CHINA TO RUSSIA AND BEYOND, THEY'RE BETTING THAT DEMOCRACIES' DAYS ARE NUMBERED.

THEY'VE ACTUALLY TOLD ME DEMOCRACY IS TOO SLOW, TOO BOGGED DOWN BY DIVISION TO SUCCEED IN TODAY'S RAPIDLY CHANGING COMPLICATED WORLD, AND THEY'RE BETTING -- THEY'RE BETTING AMERICA WILL BECOME MORE LIKE THEM AND LESS LIKE US.

THEY'RE BETTING THAT AMERICA IS A PLACE FOR THE AUTOCRAT, THE DICTATOR, THE STRONG MAN.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT.

THAT IS NOT WHO WE ARE.

THAT IS NOT WHO WE HAVE EVER BEEN.

AND SECRETARY, YOU CAN'T SAY THAT WAS HYPERBOLE.

DID YOU THINK THERE WOULD COME A CAY WHERE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF THE UNITED STATES WOULD HAVE TO CALL HIS COUNTERPART IN CHINA TO TELL HIM HAPPENING IN THE U.S. RIGHT NOW, THAT THE COUNTRY IS STABLE AND THAT DEMOCRACY AT TIMES IS, QUOTE, MESSY.

THE ONE THING THAT SUPER POWERS UNDERSTAND IS THE NEED FOR CONTINUITY, PREDICTABILITY, CONSISTENCY.

WHEN THERE'S CHAOS, INSTABILITY, THEY WORRY.

THEY'RE NOT SURE WHAT WE MIGHT DO IN A MOMENT OF ANXIETY OR MISINFORMATION OR SOME RUMOR THAT IS SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE THROUGH THE INTERNET THAT CAUSES THEM TO TAKE PREEMPTIVE ACTION BECAUSE THEY THINK WE ARE DOING SOMETHING PREEMPTIVELY.

THAT'S VERY DANGEROUS FOR ALL OF US, FOR THE CHINESE, FOR THE RUSSIANS, FOR ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MUCH DESTRUCTIVE POWER AT THE END OF OUR FINGERS, SO IT WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT FOR THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS TO PLACE A CALL SAYING DO NOT BE MISLED BY WHAT YOU'RE HEARING OR EVEN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.

WE ARE STILL TOGETHER AS A COUNTRY.

WE ARE NOT PLANNING TO ATTACK YOU, AND HE'S BEEN CRITICIZED FOR SAYING THAT.

IN OTHER WORDS, WOULD YOU FOREWARN A NATION YOU'RE GOING TO ATTACK THEM.

WELL, IN THIS WORLD IN WHICH WE LIVE IN TERMS OF NUCLEAR POWER, CYBER POWER, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT CALL WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER WHEN YOU HAVE THE SCENE OF MOBS OF AMERICANS STORMING THE CITADEL OF DEMOCRACY, SENDING A SIGNAL THAT WE ARE BREAKING DOWN INTO ANARCHY AND ANYTHING WAS POSSIBLE.

I THINK THAT WAS A DANGEROUS MOMENT AND THANK GOODNESS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS PLACED A CALL.

THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE FOR HAVING A HOTLINE.

YEAH.

I RECOMMENDED THAT BACK IN 1997.

I BY NO MEANS AM CRITICIZING HIM FOR MAKING THAT CALL.

I GUESS THE POINT I WAS MAKING IS DID YOU EVER THINK THAT CALL WOULD COME FROM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO CHINA AS OPPOSED TO VICE VERSA.

I WANT TO END ON SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE NO LONGER BEING HERE.

WE ARE A COUNTRY THAT NEEDS TO HAVE -- THAT CANNOT SURVIVE AS A DEMOCRACY WITH JUST ONE FUNCTIONING PARTY.

WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO BRING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BACK?

THE ONE THAT YOU KNEW.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE A GREAT EFFORT AT EVERY LEVEL OF OUR SOCIETY TO SAY LET'S COME BACK TO A SENSE OF DECENCY, CIVILITY.

WE THRIVE ON DEBATE AND DISAGREEMENT.

THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRACIES DO, BUT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A SENSE THAT WE HAVE RESPECT FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S OPINION.

TODAY THAT SENSE OF RESPECT IS ALMOST NONEXISTENT.

SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS SAY THE DEBASEMENT OF LANGUAGE IS A PRECURSOR TO A DEBASEMENT OF VALUES, AND WHEN YOU DEBASE VALUES, THEN YOU CAN NO LONGER HOLD UP THE LAMP OF LIBERTY IN SAYING WE ARE THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD.

THE FREE WORLD IS LOOKING TO THE UNITED STATES, AND WHAT WE REPRESENT TO THEM, FREEDOM.

FREEDOM MEANS NOT JUST BEING ABLE TO SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY OR DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, BUT IT MEANS SAYING AND DOING THINGS THAT ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO THE WELL BEING OF THE LARGER COMMUNITY AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, STATE LEVEL, AND AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.

A WILLINGNESS TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE ACTING -- YOUR ACTIONS ALSO AFFECT YOUR NEIGHBOR, AND YOU MUST ACT WITH DUE RESPECT FOR HIS AND HER SAFETY AS WELL AS YOUR OWN FREEDOM.

THAT'S THE MESSAGE WE HAVE TO GIVE BACK TO OUR OWN, BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WE ARE DISINTEGRATING FROM WITHIN WHEN WE LOSE RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW AND SIMPLY SAY THAT LIBERTY IS FOR THE -- THOSE WHO ARE ABLE TO USE POWER AND BRUTALITY AND RULE BY THE SAVAGE FEW.

SECRETARY COHEN, THANK YOU SO MUCH AS ALWAYS FOR YOUR WORDS TODAY AND YOUR INSIGHT.

WE DO HAVE A SENSE NOW, IF WE HAVEN'T HAD OVER THE PAST YEAR, OF JUST HOW FRAGILE OUR DEMOCRACY REALLY IS.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, THANK YOU.

MY PLEASURE.

JASON STANLEY SEES JANUARY 6th, 2021, AS PART OF A HISTORY OF FASCIST IMPULSES IN AMERICAN POLITICS.

THAT'S THE FOCUS OF HIS BOOK 'HOW FASCISM WORKS: THE POLITICS OF US AND THEM.'

HE CALLS US AMERICA IS NOW IN FASCISM'S LEGAL PHASE.

HE SPOKE WITH MICHEL MARTIN ABOUT WHAT HE CALLS AN EXTREMELY CRITICAL MOMENT FOR DEMOCRACY ACROSS THE WORLD.

PROFESSOR JASON STANLEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US ONCE AGAIN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME ON.

ONE OF THE REASONS WE CALLED YOU IS THAT YOU HAVE ISSUED IN RECENT WEEKS A RATHER DIRE WARNING.

YOU ARE SAYING THAT THIS IS A PIVOTAL MOMENT IN THE LIFE OF THIS COUNTRY.

WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?

IT'S A PIVOTAL MOMENT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING THE LEGAL MECHANISMS TO STEAL AN ELECTION BEING FORMALIZED.

WE'RE SEEING A SYSTEM PUT IN PLACE THAT WILL ENABLE PERMANENT MINORITY RULE.

YOU SAY THAT THIS IS -- WE ARE NOW IN THE LEGAL PHASE.

WHEN YOU SEE HISTORICAL -- YOU SEE HISTORICAL PRECEDENCES FOR THIS, AND YOU SAY IT'S ALMOST LIKE A CONVERSATION THAT HAS GONE ON FOR A CENTURY BETWEEN THE, YOU KNOW, AMERICANS WHO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FASCIST SOLUTIONS TO NATIONAL PROBLEMS AND KIND OF THE EUROPEAN EXPERIENCE, AND YOU'RE SAYING NOW THIS SORT OF TWO-WAY CONVERSATION HAS RE -- IS RESURGENT IN THE UNITED STATES THROUGH LEGAL MEANS, MANY CONSERVATIVES, MANY OF THE MOST PROMINENT CONSERVATIVES SORT OF SCOFF AT THE CRITICISM OF THESE WHAT THEY CALL VOTER INTEGRITY MEASURES.

THEY SAY THAT SOME OF THESE MEASURES THAT ARE BEING ENACTED IN THE SOUTHERN STATES AND ALSO REALLY IN STATES AROUND THE COUNTRY, THAT THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO IMPLEMENT VOTER INTEGRITY.

THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GIVE PEOPLE CONFIDENCE IN OUR ELECTION SYSTEMS.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

ALWAYS CALL -- SAY ABOUT YOUR OPPONENT WHAT YOU ARE YOURSELF DOING.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

WE'RE SEEING MASSIVE PROJECTION.

WE'RE EVEN SEEING THE FASCIST LABEL BEING THROWN AT DEMOCRATS, RIGHT?

SO PROJECTION IS A STANDARD PROPAGANDA TOOL.

IT WAS ONE THAT HITLER EXEXPLICITLY RECOMMEND, BUT IT'S NOT JUST FASCISTS WHO ENGAGE IN IT.

WE'RE SEEING THIS FASCIST PROJECTION.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU CAN TELL WHAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE DOING BUT WHAT THEY SAY THE DEMOCRATS ARE DOING.

WE HAVE TO INTERROGATE THIS.

ELECTORAL INTEGRITY.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN HERE?

YOU HAVE TO FILTER IT THROUGH KIND OF A FASCIST LOYALIST LENS, WHICH MEANS ONLY THE REAL PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY SHOULD GET TO DETERMINE WHO THE LEADERS ARE.

AND SO IT'S NOT A REALLY FAIR ELECTION IF EVERYONE GETS TO VOTE.

AND WE'RE SEEING THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN.

WE'RE SEEING REPUBLICANS INCLUDING FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP SAY THIS.

IF WE DON'T PASS THESE LAWS, EVERYONE WILL VOTE.

WE'RE SEEING THEM BEING VERY EXPLICIT.

THE IDEA IS THAT A REAL ELECTION REAL AMERICANS VOTE, AND THIS GOES BACK TO THIS IDEA, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATELY UNLESS THINGS RADICALLY CHANGE GOING TO BE A REALITY OF A PERMANENT MINORITY RUNNING THIS COUNTRY WHO IN THE EYES OF THAT MINORITY ARE THE REAL AMERICANS.

WE ALREADY SEE THIS WITH THE SUPREME COURT: I MEAN, THE REALITY IS THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT IS DOMINATED BY PEOPLE WHOSE POLITICAL IDEOLOGIES DO NOT MATCH THOSE OF THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY IN ANY WAY.

THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU, THOUGH, IS WHAT'S APPEALING ABOUT THIS TO SO MANY AMERICANS?

I MEAN, YOU MADE THE POINT, LIKE OTHER SCHOLARS HAVE MADE THE POINT, THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE EMBRACED HIM, EVEN THOUGH HE'S NO LONGER IN OFFICE, ARE SORT OF SET WITH THIS KIND OF RACIAL ANXIETY.

WHAT ABOUT THESE OTHER PEOPLE?

WHAT ABOUT THESE EXTREMELY WEALTHY BUSINESS PEOPLE WHO PRESUMABLY HAVE EVERYTHING THEY INFLUENCE IN OUR SOCIETY, WHOSE COMPANIES ARE FUELED IN LARGE PART BY THE LABOR AND CREATIVITY OF MANY DIVERSE PEOPLE, SO WHAT'S THE APPEAL TO SOME OF THESE FOLKS?

POWER SIMPLY PUT.

WE CAN'T FORGET THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T RACIST BY THEIR NATURE.

RACISM IS SOMETHING THAT THE POWERFUL USE TO SPLIT THE POWERLESS.

THIS IS SOMETHING OF AN ANALYSIS THAT DATES BACK TO W.E.B. DUE BOYS'S MASTERPIECE, WHICH IS STILL THE BEST WORK ABOUT THE AMERICAN IDEOLOGY.

THE WEALTHY ELITE FACED A LABOR MOVEMENT, POOR WHITES POOR BLACKS JOINING TOGETHER IN A LABOR MOVEMENT.

RACISM IS A MECHANISM OF POWER, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE MANY PEOPLE WHO AREN'T PERSONALLY RACIST AT ALL, WHO SIMPLY WANT THEIR TAXES CUT, DON'T WANT GOVERNMENT REGULATION EXPLOITING ANY MEANS THEY CAN SUPPORTING ANY KIND OF MASS PANIC, BE IT A RACIAL PANIC, BE IT A PANIC ABOUT COVID TO PUSH PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR AN EXTREMIST -- AN EXTREMIST MOVEMENT THAT'S GOING TO PAD THEIR POCKETS, AND THIS IS ALSO CONSONANT WITH THE PAST AND FASCIST MOVEMENTS ACROSS THE WORLD RIGHT NOW LIKE IN HUNGARY.

MANY BUSINESS ELITES, PARTICULARLY IN THE HYDROCARBON BUSINESS, THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THEIR WORK IS AGAINST THE PUBLIC GOOD.

SO THEY NEED TO -- THEY NEED TO SUPPORT A MOVEMENT THAT WILL SPLIT APART THE PUBLIC AND RESULT IN A SYSTEM THAT THEY CAN CONTROL.

ONE OF THE POINTS YOU JUST MADE IS THE CONTEMPORARY AMERICAN FASCIST MOVEMENT IS LED BY OL GARIC WHO THE PUBLIC MOVE IS AN IMPEDIMENT, AS WELL AS SOCIAL, POLITICAL, AND RELIGIOUS MOVEMENT WITH ROOTS IN THE CONFEDERACY.

THE OTHER POINT YOU MADE IS THIS IS SOMETHING WE HEAR A LOT OF JOURNALISTS IN WASHINGTON, D.C., SAY ALL THE TIME.

OH, THESE GUYS IN CONGRESS, THESE PEOPLE IN CONGRESS, THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS ALL, YOU KNOW, MADE UP.

SO WHAT'S IN IT FOR THEM?

LIKE WHY CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THIS MYTHOLOGY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE PERSON WHO ADVANCED THIS MYTHOLOGY, THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS NO LONGER IN OFFICE?

AGAIN, POWER.

SO LET'S LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SORT OF LEADING THIS CHARGE, THIS CHARGE AGAINST DEMOCRACY, YOU KNOW.

TED CRUZ WENT TO PRINCETON AND HARVARD LAW.

JOSH HAWLEY WENT TO YALE LAW, J.D. VANCE, YALE LAW.

THESE ARE THE ELITES OF THE ELITES.

THESE ARE NOT JUST THE ELITES, THEY'RE THE ELITES OF THE ELITES, AND THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

WHEN THEY FOMENT CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT THE ELECTION, WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A TOTALITARIAN GOVERNMENT RESTRICTING OUR FREEDOMS WITH COVID POLICY, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

WHAT ARE THEY DOING?

THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE THE IDEA THAT THE GOVERNMENT, THE CONCURRENT GOVERNMENT IS AUTHORITARIAN, THAT IT'S CORRUPT, THAT IT'S DESTROYING OUR CHILDREN, IT'S A THREAT TO OUR CHILDREN.

THIS IS WHAT THE CRITICAL RACE THEORY STUFF PANIC IS ABOUT.

AND THAT YOU NEED A STRONG MAN TO PROTECT THE NATION AND YOUR CHILDREN FROM THIS TERRIBLE THREAT.

LOOK, AS LONG AS COVID KEEPS RAGING, YOU CAN KEEP THE POLITICS OF FEAR AND PANIC ALIVE.

WHEN YOU KEEP THE POLITICS OF FEAR AND PANIC ALIVE, PEOPLE WILL SET ASIDE DEMOCRACY.

PEOPLE WILL SAY I JUST WANT TO BE PROTECTED FROM THIS.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO THINK REASONABLY AND RATIONAL LY.

YOU NEED TO PRESENT YOUR INTERNAL ENEMY, FASCIST POLITICS WORKS BY SAYING THERE'S A NEFARIOUS ENEMY WHO'S WORKING IN TANDEM WITH THE MINORITIES TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT AND CONTROL YOUR CHILDREN.

SO WHAT YOU DO IS YOU MAKE SOCIETY COMPLETE.

YOU PUT PEOPLE IN AN INCREDIBLY ANXIOUS AND FEARFUL STATE WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME KIND OF SIMPLE EXPLANATION, AND A CONSPIRACY THEORY IS A KIND OF SIMPLE EXPLANATION THAT PEOPLE CAN GRAB ONTO.

THEY'RE CONTROLLING THE SCHOOLS.

WE'RE HEARING A LOT ABOUT THE SCHOOLS, AND THERE ARE VERY REAL WORRIES HERE.

WE ALL WANT OUR CHILDREN BACK IN SCHOOL, AND WE WANT THAT DEALT WITH, BUT YOU KNOW, THE WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT IS TO ADDRESS THE COVID CRISIS, BUT NO, INSTEAD MANY REPUBLICANS ARE LEANING INTO THE COVID CRISIS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE IT WORSE.

THEY WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE QANON, IT'S AN EXTENSION OF QANON, YOU WANT TO SAY THE VACCINES ARE OUT TO POISON YOU.

YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE THINGS BY HYPOCRITES WHO THEMSELVES ARE GETTING VACCINATED AND BOOSTED.

SO THIS KIND OF CONSTANT CONSPIRACY THINKING THE INTERNAL ENEMY WINK, WINK, IS THERE.

THEY'RE TRYING TO MANIPULATE THIS ENABLES PEOPLE TO SAY YOU NEED A NON-DEMOCRATIC SOLUTION.

SO YOU TALKED ABOUT THE -- YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW RESTRICTING VOTER ACCESS PLAYS INTO THESE KIND OF FASCIST TECHNIQES THAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE ALSO SEEING IS THIS KIND OF HYPER MASCULINE RHETORIC WHICH SEEMS TO KIND OF GO ALONG WITH THAT IS A CALL TOWARD FEMALE SUBMISSIVENESS, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PRIME FIGURES ARE WOMEN IN THIS MOVEMENT, JUST SORT OF A KIND OF A CALL TO KIND OF A 1950s FAMILY STYLE.

YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?

AND HOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

LET'S BEGIN WITH THE ATTACK ON ABORTION RIGHT NOW.

THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS REJECT THE REPEAL OF ROE VERSUS WADE.

THEY WANT TO KEEP ROE VERSUS WADE, BUT WE ARE FACING A FUTURE IN WHICH ABORTION RIGHTS ARE GOING TO BE SEVERELY CURTAILED.

AND LET'S BE CLEAR, THERE ARE PLENTY OF SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES WHO ARE NOT FASCISTS AT ALL OR NOT AUTHORITARIANS OR AUTOCRATS WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS WHO ARE AGAINST ABORTION.

BUT WHAT WE FIND HERE IS A KIND OF CLASSIC MACHO STRUTTING AUTOCRAT IN THE FIGURE OF THE TRUMP WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS NO SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE HISTORY OR MORALS, BUT HE'S APPEALING TO SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES.

HE'S SAYING I'M GOING TO BE YOUR MAN.

NOW, THAT'S GOING TO DRAW SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES TO HIM, BUT IT ALSO FEEDS INTO A GENERAL MACHO MASCULINE IDEOLOGY WHERE THE MEN CONTROL THE WOMEN.

SO IT BOTH APPEALS TO SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES BECAUSE OF OVERLAP OF INTERESTS, EVEN THOUGH MANY SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES WOULD VASTLY PREFER THIS TO BE A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, AND IT ALSO FEEDS INTO THE IDEA THAT MEN ARE AROUND TO PROTECT WOMEN AND WOMEN NEED TO RELY ON MEN.

PANIC IDEA BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING THIS KIND OF PLAY OUT AS A DEBATE WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, FOR EXAMPLE.

THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROGRAMS AND THEIR POLICIES FOR WHICH THEY WERE ELECTED, AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE SEEING THIS KIND OF FURIOUS BACKLASH, NOT JUST FROM, YOU KNOW, CONSERVATIVE OPPONENTS WHO ARE ATTRACTED TO THE IDEOLOGIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT YOU'RE ALSO SEEING IT WITHIN THE PARTY ITSELF, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHEN PEOPLE SAY WE KNOW THAT THIS IS STIMULATING A BACKLASH, SO THE BEST THING TO DO IS TO TAMP IT DOWN, NOT CONTINUE TO STOKE THESE RACIAL ANXIETIES, YOU KNOW, BACK OFF IN ESSENCE.

I MEAN, SO WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON HOW THAT KIND OF TENSION IS TO BE ADDRESSED?

SO WE HAVE ENORMOUS RACIAL DISPARITIES IN OUR COUNTRY.

I DON'T NEED TO TELL THIS AUDIENCE, ENORMOUS AND PERSISTENT RACIAL DISPARITIES.

THE RACIAL WEALTH GAP IS MASSIVE AND CONTINUES TO BE, AND WHAT WE HAVE AS A RESULT AND WE HAVE A MASSIVE POLICE SYSTEM, I'M NOT ADVOCATING TO DEFUND THE POLICE, WE PUT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO MILITARIZE POLICE INTO VERY POOR POPULATIONS, BOTH WHITE AND BLACK AND TO ADDRESS SOCIAL PROBLEMS THAT WAY.

WHAT WILL RESULT REPEATEDLY IS UPRISINGS AGAINST THAT, AND THAT THOSE UPRISINGS WILL BE USED TO JUSTIFY A FASCIST LAW AND ORDER CRACKDOWN, AND THIS IS ANALOGOUS TO WHAT HAPPENED IN GERMANY WHEN THERE WAS MASS WEST WING VIOLENCE ON THE STREET AND THIS WAS USED TO JUSTIFY A FASCIST CRACKDOWN.

SO WHAT'S TO BE DONE WITH THIS, I THINK AMERICANS, I THINK AMERICANS GET THAT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE IMPOVERISHED WHITE AND BLACK, AND THEY GET THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

IT'S NOT JUST A RACIAL ISSUE, BUT IF WE FOCUS ON THE ELITES ACHIEVING A KIND OF ECONOMIC EQUALITY AND A KIND OF FAIRNESS IN OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM AND FAIRNESS IN OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, THAT WILL COST MONEY TO DO, WE FOCUS ON THE FACT THAT IT'S ELITES WHO ARE TRYING TO SPLIT US APART, MAYBE WE CAN MAKE SOME TRACTION HERE.

I WANT TO ALLUDE BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION, WHICH IS YOU THINK THIS IS AN EXTREMELY CRITICAL MOMENT.

SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS TO BE DONE?

I'M NOT.

I'M BETTER AT ANALYSIS THAN I AM AT SOLUTIONS UNFORTUNATELY, BUT HERE'S WHAT I THINK.

DEMOCRACIES COME AND GO.

AMERICAN DEMOCRACY WAS FRAGILE TO BEGIN WITH BECAUSE WE WERE A RACIAL DEMOCRACY.

WE HAVE THE WORLD'S HIGHEST INCARCERATION RATE, AND YOU KNOW, A COUNTRY WITH THE WORLD'S HIGHEST INCARCERATION RATE, WELL, YOU GOT TO WONDER HOW MUCH THAT'S A DEMOCRACY ALREADY.

BUT THERE'S A PRINCIPLE OF DEMOCRACY.

ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE.

THAT PRINCIPLE SHOULD BE BIPARTISAN.

EVEN THOUGH WE ARE FLAWED STRUCTURALLY AND IDEOLOGICALLY AND HISTORICALLY, WE'VE ALSO BEEN A MODEL FOR THAT PRINCIPLE.

THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT IS HELD UP AS A MODEL ALL ACROSS THE WORLD, A MODEL OF DEMOCRATIC BRAVERY.

WHEN -- IF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY FALLS AND AMERICAN DEMOCRACY MIGHT WELL FALL.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NEVER BEEN -- IT'S ALWAYS BEEN FLAWED BUT, WE MIGHT TAKE AN ENORMOUS STEP BACK LIKE POST-RECONSTRUCTION MIGHT TAKE MANY DECADES TO RECOVER FROM, WE MIGHT BECOME AN AUTOCRATIC AUTHORITARIAN ONE PARTY STATE.

BUT IF WE DO, DEMOCRACY ACROSS THE WORLD IS IMPERILLED.

WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO INVADE OTHER COUNTRIES AND MAKE THEM DEMOCRATIC.

THAT'S NOT A WAY TO DO IT.

OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO REPRESENT THE PUSH TOWARDS DEMOCRACY, AND I WAS SPEAKING ON POLISH MEDIA ON MONDAY, AND THE BROADCASTERS SAID TO ME IN A VERY WORRIED TONE, TRUMP'S NOT GOING TO WIN AGAIN, IS HE?

BECAUSE IF HE WINS, POLISH DEMOCRACY, THE HOPE THAT WE CAN RETAIN POLISH DEMOCRACY IS SIMPLY GONE.

THAT'S NOT JUST IN POLAND, THAT'S ALL OVER THE WORLD.

LET'S STOP WITH THE STUPID WARS.

TRUMP WAS RIGHT ABOUT THIS.

LET'S NOT INVADE COUNTRIES, BUT LET'S BY EXAMPLE REPRESENT THE STRIVING FOR ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN ALIGN ACROSS THAT, ALONG THAT PRINTS PRINCIPLE AND WHAT WE REPRESENT FOR THE WORLD AND WHAT MAKES US GREAT, WHICH IS THE STRIVING FOR THAT, MAYBE WE CAN FIGHT THIS.

BEFORE I LET YOU GO, WE ARE SPEAKING ON THE ONE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE MOB ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STRAINS COMING TOGETHER TODAY.

ON THE ONE HAND THERE ARE EFFORTS TO COMMEMORATE THIS IN A VERY SERIOUS AND SOLEMN FASHION.

ON THE OTHER HAND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING A DETERMINED EFFORT TO IGNORE THIS AND TO ACT LIKE IT NEVER HAPPENED OR TO SAY THAT THE COUNTRY SHOULD MOVE ON, THAT EVEN THESE EFFORTS TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT ARE DIVISIVE.

AS WE REFLECT ON THIS MOMENT, DO YOU SEE ANY SENSE THAT OTHERS SHARE YOUR ALARM AT THE CURRENT MOMENT, THAT THIS SLIDE TOWARD AUTHORITARIANISM, TOWARDS FASCISM IS BEING ADDRESSED?

WHAT DO YOU SEE?

SO YOU'VE LEFT A CRUCIAL THIRD PARTY OUT AND THAT'S THE MANY, MANY REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS WHO ARE TRYING AND MEDIA PERSONALITIES WHO ARE TRYING NOT NEITHER TO IGNORE OR TO SEEK ACCOUNTABILITY, BUT TO GLORIFY.

WE HAVE A POLITICAL ELITE THAT'S OPENLY PUSHING FOR PEOPLE TO ARM THEMSELVES, TO STEAL AN ELECTION.

TO ARM THEMSELVES TO PROTECT A MINORITY, A PERMANENT ONE PARTY STATE.

FOR ANY SCHOLAR -- SO MY BASIC AREA IS PHILOSOPHY OF LANGUAGE AND THE STUDY OF VIOLENT RHETORIC, WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS WE ARE SEEING JUSTIFICATIONS FOR VIOLENCE 24/7.

FRONT OF MULTIPLE REPUBLICAN AUDIENCES AT THE TURNING POINTS USA CONFERENCE THEY HAD A SONG ABOUT HIM.

HE CAME OUT.

THEY CHANTED KYLE, KYLE, KYLE.

WHAT IS THIS SAYING TO 17-YEAR-OLDS ACROSS THE COUNTRY?

IT'S CHALLENGING THEIR MASCULINITY.

IT'S SAYING A REAL MAN GOES INTO THE CAPITOL.

A REAL MAN GETS A GUN.

A REAL MAN STANDS AND FIGHTS FOR HIS LEADER DONALD TRUMP.

IT'S CHALLENGING PEOPLE'S MASCULINITY.

WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS A GLORIFICATION OF JANUARY 6th AND A GLORIFICATION OF KYLE RITTENHOUSE.

THEY'RE STOKING A LARGE SCALE VIOLENT MILITIA MOVEMENT, NOT JUST ORGANIZED MILITIAS BUT INDIVIDUAL ACTORS LIKE KYLE RITTENHOUSE, AND THEY'RE CHALLENGING THEM VIA THEIR MASCULINITY.

THAT'S WHAT THE LEGACY OF JANUARY 6th IS.

THEY'RE BEING TRANSFORMED INTO HEROES AND WE NEED TO STOP THAT PROCESS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, AND FROM THE MASS ATTEMPT TO CREATE AND STOKE EVENTUAL POLITICAL VIOLENCE.

PROFESSOR JASON STANLEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TALKING WITH US.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

TRULY WORRYING WARNING THERE.

> AND FINALLY, IN TONIGHT'S PROGRAM WE HAVE REFLECTED ON THE SHOCKING EVENTS OF JANUARY 6th LAST YEAR, THE DAY AMERICAN DEMOCRACY FACED A VIOLENT ATTACK.

DO TUNE IN TOMORROW WITH KRISH YAN'S CONVERSATION WITH TIMOTHY SCHNEIDER AS THEY DISCUSS HOW HISTORY CAN HELP US MOVE FORWARD FROM HERE.

THIS WAS EXTRAORDINARILY WRONG WHAT HAPPENED JANUARY 6th AND IT'S WRONG WHAT HAPPENED NOW AND I THINK THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTOOD R UNDERSTAND THAT.

THAT'S WHERE MY HOPE IS.

WE STILL HAVE THIS CHANCE TO WRITE THIS CHAPTER OF DEMOCRACY.

IT'S NOT OVER.

A FAILED ATTEMPT AT A COUP IS ALWAYS PRACTICE FOR A SUCCESSFUL ATTEMPT AT A COUP.

IT'S IN THAT MEANTIME, IN THAT PERIOD BETWEEN THE FIRST AND THE SECOND THAT THE OTHER SIDE, THE PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT LESSONS.

AND STAYING ON THE TOPIC OF LEARNING LESSONS, CHRISTIANE WILL ALSO BE SPEAKING TO TWO PEOPLE WHO KNOW EXACTLY HOW OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE TRIED TO, EWE SAVE YUS McKAISER AND HIGH COMMISSIONER FOR PIECE IN COLOMBIA, SERGIO HAR MEO.

YOU WILL FOLLOW ME AND THE SHOW ON TWITTER.

THANK YOU SO MUCH MORE WATCHING 'AMANPOUR & COMPANY' ON PBS.

JOIN US AGAIN TOMORROW NIGHT.