August 2, 2024

>>> HELLO, EVERYONE.

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WITH THREE MONTHS TO GO, ARE AMERICANS LEANING TOWARD DONALD TRUMP OR KAMALA HARRIS?

WE TAKE A TEMPERATURE CHECK ON THE CRUCIAL U.S. PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

>> WE CONSIDER RIGHT-WING THE MOST THREATENING DANGER WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

>> "GERMANY'S ENEMY WITHIN."

DIRECTOR EVAN WILLIAMS JOINS US AROUND HIS NEW DOCUMENTARY ON THE RISE OF THE FAR RIGHT IN GERMANY.

>>> ALSO AHEAD -- AFTER THE SHOOTING OF AN UNARMED BLACK WOMAN BY U.S. LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE'LL ASK TRACIE KEESEE WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE AND HOW.

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>>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

I'M IN NEW YORK SITTING IN.

ON TODAY'S SHOW, THE STATE OF THE RACE.

THE U.S. PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND INDEED THE ENTIRE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE LOOKS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TODAY THAN IT DID TWO WEEKS AGO.

A SURGE IN ENTHUSIASM FOR KAMALA HARRIS HAS INJECTED A NEWFOUND ENERGY INTO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

THE VICE PRESIDENT'S CAMPAIGN HAS BROKEN FUNDRAISING RECORDS AND SEEN AN INFLUX OF VOLUNTEERS.

MEANWHILE, IN THE TRUMP CAMP AFTER THE UNITY ON DISPLAY AT THE RNC, IT WASN'T A GREAT WEEK.

HIS VP PICK J.D.

VANCE, WITH REPORTS THAT A NUMBER OF LEADING REPUBLICANS URGED TRUMP NOT TO PICK HIM.

AND THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS HIMSELF UNDER PRESSURE AFTER ATTACKED KAMALA HARRIS'S RACIAL IDENTITY IN A DISASTROUS APPEARANCE AT THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLACK JOURNALISTS ON WEDNESDAY.

LET'S TAKE STOCK OF THE WEEK THAT WAS.

JOINING ME, BAKARI SELLERS.

SHE KNOWS KAMALA HARRIS WELL HAVING SPENT TIME FOLLOWING HARRIS AND A TEAM FOLLOWING HER.

WHAT AN INCREDIBLE WEEK IT HAS BEEN IN TERMS OF MOMENTUM.

AND A TOTAL SHIFT GIVEN WHERE THINGS STOOD FOLLOWING THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION WHERE IT SEEMED THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS RIDING HIGH AND THIS WAS HIS ELECTION TO LOSE.

ALL OF A SUDDEN, HERE YOU HAVE KAMALA HARRIS STEPPING UP AS THE PRESUMPTIVE CANDIDATE AND NOMINEE.

AND ELAINA, SHE REALLY HAS REINVIGORATED THE PARTY.

ARE YOU SURPRISED, GIVEN THE TRAJECTORY SHE'S BEEN ON THE LAST FEW WEEKS?

>> I'M SURPRISED IN SOME WAY BY THE DEGREE TO WHICH FRANKLY A LOT IN THE PRESS HAVE SEEMED SURPRISED, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

HAVING COVERED HARRIS FOR, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.

THE PERSON THAT I SAW ANNOUNCE HER CANDIDACY IN WILMINGTON THE OTHER DAY, THE OTHER WEEK, WAS THE CULMINATION OF A TRAJECTORY SHE'S BEEN ON FOR I WOULD SAY THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

REALLY SINCE THE DOBBS DECISION LEAKED.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT A LOT OF THE INCONSISTENT MEDIA ATTENTION HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THIS NOTION THAT SHE HAS SUDDENLY REINVENTED HERSELF IN SOME SENSE.

THE HARRIS AGAIN THAT I SAW IN WILMINGTON AND WE CONTINUE TO SEE ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL SINCE THEN IS REALLY JUST A REFLECTION OF THE CONFIDENCE AND THE EASE THAT SHE'S DEVELOPED OVER TIME IN HER VICE PRESIDENCY AND IS NOT SORT OF A NEW VISION OF HER OR WITH A SHE'S CAPABLE OF.

>> WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

THERE HAVE BEEN, THERE HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN LEAKS PRIOR TO HIM DECIDING TO STEP DOWN THAT THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW STRONG OF A CANDIDATE SHE COULD BE.

NOW WE'VE SEEN EVER SINCE SHE STEPPED UP FOLLOWING THAT DEBACLE OF A DEBATE FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN, SHE'S REALLY SEEMED TO HIT HER STRIDE.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE ALWAYS SEEN ALL ALONG AND PERHAPS FINALLY, THE NATION IS GETTING A CHANCE TO SEE IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT AS WELL?

>> WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW IS A MUCH MORE CONFIDENT KAMALA HARRIS.

EACH TIME YOU HEAR HER SPEAK FROM ATLANTA TO LAST NIGHT IN HOUSTON, YOU JUST HEAR THE CADENCE, THE STRENGTH, THE POWER, WHAT SHE HAS IN HER POSITION.

A LOT OF THAT COME WELL THE CONFIDENCE OF JUST DOING THE ROLE OF VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

IT TOOK A LITTLE WHILE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO AND GET HER FOOTING.

MEDIA TO LEARN HOW TO COVER HER.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT A COMBINATION OF THOSE THINGS, THE KAMALA HARRIS YOU'RE SEEING NOW IS EXTREMELY STRONG AND EXTREMELY CONFIDENT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS LEANING INTO A MESSAGE.

TO STEAL THE QUOTE, A LOT OF AMERICAN ARE SICK AND TIRED OF BEING SICK AND TIRED.

THE SAME OLD STICK FROM 2016 IS NOT WINNING THE DAY.

>> I'M NOT SITTING HERE IN DEFENSE OF THE PRESS, BUT YOU'VE SUGGEST THAT HAD PERHAPS THIS WAS ALSO THE WHITE HOUSE ITSELF THAT HADN'T BEEN PLAYING UP TO KAMALA HARRIS'S STRENGTHS OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS AS VICE PRESIDENT, YOU LOOK AT THE SHIFT THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNTRY HAS GONE IN FROM 2020 TO 2024.

YOU SAY THAT REALLY FOCUSING ON HER BACKGROUND, HER HISTORY AS A PROSECUTOR, PERHAPS EVEN SOME OF HER POLITICS BEING MORE MODERATE THAN THOSE THAT THEY HAD SORT OF ENVISIONED.

SHE WOULD FILL IN 2020, THAT THAT IS REALLY VIEWED AS A STRENGTH AT THIS POINT AND PERHAPS THAT WILL BE MORE OF A COMFORTABLE POSITION FOR HER TO SHOWCASE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

AND I THINK, WHEN I TALK ABOUT INCONSISTENT PRESS ATTENTION, WHAT I'M REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS SORT OF AFTER THE FIRST YEAR AND A HALF OF HER VICE PRESIDENCY.

I THINK THERE WERE VERY LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ABOUT HER READINESS TO HOLD A ROLE SUCH AS THE VICE PRESIDENT OR EVEN THE PRESIDENCY IN THAT FIRST YEAR AND A HALF.

AND I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS SORT OF THIS NARRATIVE CRYSTALLIZED ABOUT REALLY HER, THIS IDEA OF HER INCOMPETENCE.

AND THE WHITE HOUSE ITSELF, WHICH I, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, I'VE WRITTEN QUITE A LOT ABOUT, DID NOT DO MUCH TO STEP IN AND TRY TO CORRECT THAT.

TO TRY TO TAILOR HER PORTFOLIO TO ESTABLISH MORE OF A MEASURE OF STABILITY AND SUCCESS FOR HER.

SO AS I'VE WRITTEN AD NAUSEAM, I THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN HIMSELF DESERVES A LOT OF ATTENTION WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHY DOES IT FEEL LIKE THIS IS NOT THE KAMALA HARRIS THAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE?

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

I THINK THAT WHEN SHE RAN FOR PRESIDENT, WHEN SHE LAUNCHED HER OWN PRIMARY BID IN 2020, IT WAS A MOMENT WHEN HER BIOGRAPHY, HER CAREER AS A PROSECUTOR DID NOT SEEM TO BE SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO PLAY WELL WITH THE DEMOCRATIC BASE AT THE TIME.

JUST A VERY PARTICULAR POLITICAL MOMENT.

BUT POLITICAL CYCLES CHANGE AND FOUR YEARS LATER, SHE IS IN A MOMENT WHERE NOT ONLY IS SHE MORE CONFIDENT JUST IN HER OWN CAPABILITIES, HAVING SERVED IN THIS VICE PRESIDENTIAL ROLE AND GOTTEN MORE COMFORTABLE WITH HER OWN INSTINCTS.

SHE'S ALSO IN A MOMENT WHERE HER CAREER IS SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY ENTICES A LOT OF AMERICANS TO HER.

AND SHE'S NO LONGER TRYING TO DEMOCRATIC BASE BUT ACTUALLY, APPEAL TO THE BROADER AMERICAN ELECTORATE.

>> THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE WERE NOT SOME MISSTEPS ALONG THE WAY, GIVEN THE PORTFOLIO SHE WAS HANDED, SPECIFICALLY THAT OF THE BORDER CRISIS, AND I'M WONDERING, BAKARI, IT SEEMS MANY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, INCLUDING PERHAPS THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WERE CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY THE FACT THAT BIDEN IS NO LONGER THE NOMINEE.

BUT THERE ARE REAL POLICY ISSUES THAT THEY COULD GO AFTER HER ON.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, HER REAL STUMBLE THERE EARLY ON REGARDING THE BORDER AND THAT DEVASTATING INTERVIEW.

WITH LESTER HOLT.

AND YET THEY SEEM TO BE GOING TOWARD PERSONAL ATTACKS.

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

>> WELL, FIRST, LET ME CORRECT THE RECORD IF YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE MOMENT OF PRIVILEGE HERE.

WE HAVE SEEN AS OF TODAY.

WE'VE HAD FIVE MONTHS WHERE WE'VE SEEN A DECREASE IN BORDER CROSSINGS.

TODAY THE REPORT CAME OUT AND SAID THE CROSSINGS ARE AT THE LOWEST THEY'VE BEEN SINCE JULY OF 2020.

THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE WORK OF THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

SHE ACTUALLY WENT TO CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA AND TALKED ABOUT THE ROOT CAUSES OF PEOPLE FLEEING THEIR COUNTRY TO COME TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

SO IT THOSE SUCCESSES SUCCESS HAVE TO BE IDENTIFIED.

WE WERE ON THE VERGE OF PASSING THE MOST STRICT IMMIGRATION BILL IN THE COUNTRY'S RECENT HISTORY AND THE PERSON WHO KILLED THAT BILL WAS DONALD TRUMP.

SO FOR WHATEVER STUMBLE SHE MAY HAVE HAD AT THE OUTSET, IF WE'RE GOING TO TELL THE COMPLETE STORY ABOUT HER IMMIGRATION RECORD, WE HAVE TO TELL THE SUCCESSES THAT WE SEE EVIDENT TODAY.

TO YOUR SECOND QUESTION, A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION.

FOR THE DISCIPLINE OF JASON MILLER HAVE DISPLAYED UNTIL THE PAST 10 TO 14 DAYS IN CONTROLLING THE MESSAGING AND CONTROLLING THE CLIENT, IT'S ALL GONE UP IN SMOKE.

BECAUSE THEY ARE NOW PLAYING THE RACE CARD.

THEY'RE NOW DELVING INTO THE IGNORANCE AND THE DIVISIVENESS THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD COME BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WOULD BE THIS NASTY.

RECENTLY THE 45th PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SAID THANK YOU TO KAMALA HARRIS AND TWEETED OUT A PICTURE WITH HER AND HER FAMILY, HER INDIAN FAMILY AND HERITAGE.

JUST ATTEMPTING TO OTHERIZE HER.

THIS IS BIRTHER I 2.0.

IT DIDN'T WORK WITH BARACK OBAMA.

IT WON'T WORK WITH KAMALA HARRIS.

THIS ELECTION, I THINK SOMETIMES WE MAKE THIS SOMETIMES TOO COMPLICATED.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD A SIMPLY VOTE ON VIBES.

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD A DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT PLACE WHERE DONALD TRUMP'S IGNORANCE WAS ON DISPLAY.

>> AND TO THAT POINT, WE KNOW THIS IS A DIFFERENT CAMPAIGN FROM THE PREVIOUS, THE FIRST TRUMP CAMPAIGN THAT WE SAW.

IT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS MUCH MORE DISCIPLINED AND FOCUSED.

AND YET, NO ONE CAN CONTROL THE WORDS OR THE MESSAGING THAT COMES OUT OF A CANDIDATE'S MOUTH HIMSELF, AND THAT IS DONALD TRUMP.

WE SAW THAT ON FULL DISPLAY THIS WEEK AS HE APPEARED AT A CONVENTION FOR THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLACK JOURNALISTS.

THERE WAS A LOT OF CONTROVERSY ABOUT HIM EVEN BEING INVITED.

AND OUT OF THE GATE, IT WAS AN AGGRESSIVE DONALD TRUMP, A VERY DEFENSIVE DONALD TRUMP, AND ESPOUSING A LOT OF THE RHETORIC THAT MANY ON THE RIGHT HAVE BEEN HOPING WOULD CHANGE.

>> DO YOU BELIEVE THAT VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS IS ONLY ON THE TICKET BECAUSE SHE IS A BLACK WOMAN?

>> WELL, I CAN SAY, I THINK MAYBE IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

I'VE KNOWN HER A LONG TIME INDIRECTLY.

NOT DIRECTLY VERY MUCH.

AND SHE WAS ALWAYS OF INDIAN HERITAGE.

AND SHE WAS ONLY PROMOTING INDIAN HERITAGE.

I DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS BLACK UNTIL A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WHEN SHE HAPPENED TO TURN BLACK.

NOW SHE WANTS TO BE KNOWN AS BLACK.

>> WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO REALLY PARSE THROUGH EVERY SINGLE THING THAT HE JUST SAID BUT ON THE BIGGER ISSUE AT HAND, THE SUBSTANCE OUT OF HIS RESPONSE THERE, I'M CURIOUS.

IF THERE IS AN EFFORT TO GO AFTER INDEPENDENT VOTERS, MORE MODERATE VOTERS, BLACK VOTERS, HOW DOES THAT TYPE OF LANGUAGE HELP?

>> WELL, FRANKLY, WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM MANY REPUBLICANS IS A GREAT DEAL OF CONFIDENCE THAT THAT IT DOESN'T HELP AT ALL.

I SPOKE TO ONE REPUBLICAN LAWMAKER AFTER TRUMP'S APPEARANCE YESTERDAY.

AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE PARTY THAT IS CONSTANTLY SAYING WHY DO WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT IDENTICAL POLITICS AND RACE.

AND YET THIS IS NOW SUDDENLY THE CORNERSTONE OF THE TRUMP MESSAGE AGAINST KAMALA HARRIS.

AND I THINK TO A POINT YOU MADE EARLIER, THERE'S A LOT THAT YOU CAN CRITICIZE KAMALA HARRIS ON.

THERE ARE MANY WAYS THAT YOU CAN MAKE AN EFFECTIVE CASE AGAINST HER WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT POSITIONS SHE TOOK IN HER 2020 CAMPAIGN.

SO TRYING TO POINT OUT THE FACT THAT WHEN SHE WAS ON THE TRAIL THEN, SHE CALLED TO ELIMINATE PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE.

THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

YET THIS IS THE TACK THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS TAKEN.

SO I THINK A LOT OF REPUBLICANS THOUGHT ESPECIALLY AFTER HIS ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT, THIS IS A NEW TRUMP.

WE'VE HEARD THAT HOW MANY TIMES OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, HE'S CHANGED.

THIS IS A NEW AND DISCIPLINED VERSION OF THIS PRESIDENT.

AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, HE SHOWS YES THAT IS NEVER SOMETHING TO RELY ON.

TO THE STEMT THAT THIS CONTINUES, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WILL SEE ANY INDEPENDENTS FLOCK TO HIM ON A MESSAGE LIKE THAT.

>> HOW CAN DEMOCRATS AND KAMALA HARRIS IN PARTICULAR USE THAT TYPE OF LANGUAGE AND ONE WOULD DESCRIBE WEAKNESS ON DONALD TRUMP'S PART, THOUGH I THINK HE WENT OUT QUICKLY AND SAID HE WAS VERY LANE WITH LIST PERFORMANCE.

HOW CAN THEY USE THAT TYPE OF SPLIT SCREEN TO THEIR ADVANTAGE?

>> IGNORE IT.

AND IT SHE DID A GOOD JOB OF THAT LAST FLIGHT WHEN YOU HEARD HER SPEAK IN HOUSTON, TEXAS.

I SAID THIS EARLY AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.

YOU DON'T ROLL AROUND WITH PIGS, RIGHT?

YOU BOTH GET MUDDY AND THE PIG LIKES IT.

THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF VALUE IN HER CONTINUING TO GO PROSECUTE THE CASE ABOUT HER VISION OF THE FUTURE.

THERE IS A LOT OF HISTORY IN THE HARRIS PRESIDENCY OR CAMPAIGN.

A LOT LIKE THERE WAS IN THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN.

YOU CAN SEE IT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAN INTO THAT IDENTITY AS MUCH AS ONE MAY BELIEVE.

SO AS TRUMP CONTINUES TO GO THERE, SHE CONTINUES TO HAVE TO GO TO THESE PLACES IN WHICH THIS ELECTION WILL BE WON, THE SUBURBS, AND TELL VOTERS WHAT SHE IS GOING TO DO TO MAKE THEIR LIVES BETTER.

THING LIKE COST, INFLATION, ET CETERA.

AS LONG AS SHE STAYS ON THAT MESSAGE LIKE SHE'S DOING.

WHAT SHE'S DONE AROUND PRESCRIPTION DRUGS AND INSULIN, IF SHE STAYS ON THAT MESSAGE, ALLOW TRUMP TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO DO.

THE SPLIT SCREEN IS DIVISIVENESS AND HATE VERSUS A BETTER TOMORROW.

THAT'S THE SPLIT SCREEN YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

>> AND ELAINA, AS WE HAVE THE FINAL FEW MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION, IT HAS BEEN A GREAT FEW WEEKS FOR HARRIS AND FOR THE DEMOCRATS.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, SHE'S GOT A LONG ROAD AHEAD OF HER IN PROVING THAT SHE IS CAPABLE OF BEING NOT JUST A VICE PRESIDENT BUT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND SETTING OUT HER OWN AGENDA, HER OWN POLICY, HER OWN GROUP OF ADVISERS AND SUPPORT TEAM, WHILE ALSO NOT DEVIATING TOO FAR FROM THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ITSELF, WHICH SHE CONTINUE TO BE A PART OF.

HOW CHALLENGING WILL THAT BE FOR KAMALA HARRIS?

>> I THINK IT IS SUCH A DELICATE THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A RATHER UNIQUE SITUATION FOR HER.

WHAT SHE WILL HAVE TO DO IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS IS ESTABLISH AN IDENTITY THAT IS HER OWN WHEN IT COME TO HER VISION FOR THE COUNTRY.

THAT DID YOU HAVE DEVIATE, NECESSARILY, FROM WHAT SHE IS GOING TO TOUT AS THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION BUT STILL CONVINCES AMERICANS THAT SHE CAN BUILD UPON IT IN A WAY THAT FEELS MORE OF HER OWN SIGNATURE AND NOT JUST THE SAME THING THAT WE'VE SEEN FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS.

LOOK, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN OVERSTATE THE CHALLENGE OF THAT.

WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS JUST A SUGAR HEY.

THE REASON THAT I SAY THAT IS, I THINK THAT A LOT OF THIS ENERGY HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT A LOT OF AMERICAN ARE LOOKING AT A DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE SUDDENLY WHO IS ACTUALLY ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, WHO IS TRAVELING EVERY DAY, WHO IS GOING ON AIR, WHO IS DOING SEVERAL, SEVERAL EVENTS.

AND IT IS QUITE A CONTRAST FROM A NOMINEE LIKE JOE BIDEN WHO I THINK A LOT OF AMERICANS FEEL THAT THEY RARELY SAW.

SO I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT SHE CAN CONTINUE THIS CADENCE OF JUST CONSTANT MOVEMENT, AND THE SHEER PORTRAIT OF ENERGY WILL GO A LONG WAY TOWARD SUSTAINING HER APPEAL TO AMERICANS AT THIS MOMENT.

>> AND THAT'S COMPLETELY SHIFTED THE NARRATIVE.

PRIOR TO HER BEING THE NOMINEE, WHEN THE FOCUS WAS ON JOE BIDEN AND WHETHER HE HAD ENOUGH ENERGY TO SUSTAIN ANOTHER FOUR YEARS IN OFFICE, THAT IS WHERE THE REPUBLICANS SEEMED TO HAVE THEIR STRENGTH.

AND DONALD TRUMP, DESPITE THAT THE TWO WERE ONLY THREE YEARS APART, OBVIOUSLY, A LOT HAS CHANGED NOW WITH KAMALA HARRIS AND THE AGE FACTOR IS NOT AN ISSUE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US IN WHAT LAB A VERY BUSY WEEK.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>>> NOW FROM THE U.S.

ELECTIONS TO THE GROWING POWER OF THE FAR RIGHT IN GERMANY.

SINCE THE HOLOCAUST, GERMANY HAS WORKED ARDUOUSLY TO FACE AND OVERCOME ITS NAZI PAST, TRYING TO ENSURE THAT THE FORCES WHICH BROUGHT ON THAT DISASTER WILL NEVER TAKE POWER AGAIN.

BUT OVER THE PAST DID HE GO AID, FAR RIGHT ELEMENTS HAVE RESURFACED WITHIN THE COUNTRY, VIOLENTLY TARGETING JEWS, MUSLIMS AND IMMIGRANTS.

IT IS ALL PART OF A DOCUMENTARY CALLED "GERMANY'S ENEMY WITHIN."

>> THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT EXTREMISM.

>> EVAN WILLIAMS INVESTIGATES THE RISE OF GERMANY'S FAR RIGHT.

AND THE FIGHT AGAINST IT.

>> WE CONSIDER RIGHT WING EXTREMISM THE SERIOUS AND MOST THREATENING DANGER WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

>> IF WE WANT TO LIVE WITH DEMOCRACY IN 10, 15 YEARS, WE HAVE TO ACT NOW.

>> I SPOKE TO THE PROGRAM'S DIRECTOR EVAN WILLIAMS ABOUT ALL OF THIS EARLIER.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

A REALLY IMPORTANT DOCUMENTARY THAT YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER.

OVER THE PAST DECADE, YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING HOW GERMANY HAS FACED A RISE IN RIGHT-WING VIOLENCE, AGAINST JEWS, MUSLIMS, IMMIGRANTS.

AND THE AFD PARTY HAS PROVOKED VIOLENCE WHICH IT SAYS IT DENIES.

ALL OF THIS MADE EVEN MORE SIGNIFICANT GIVEN HOW THEY'VE DONE RECENTLY IN PARLIAMENTARY ELECTIONS, EVEN BEATING OLAF SCHULZ'S PARTY WINNING IN DECEMBER.

WE'VE GOT REALLY CRUCIAL ELECTIONS COMING NUMBER SEPTEMBER.

WALK US THROUGH WHAT YOU FOUND IN YOUR INVESTIGATIVE WORK, CONNECTING THE DOTS BETWEEN THE RISE IN VIOLENCE ON THE FAR RIGHT WITH THE RISE OF THIS PARTY.

>> WE STARTED THE FIRST ONE IF 2021 TO CHRONICLE, TO INVESTIGATE THE RISE IN FAR RIGHT POLITICAL VIOLENCE.

AS YOU CORRECTLY SAID AGAINST MUSLIMS, JEWS, POLITICIANS WHO HAVE BEEN ASSASSINATED.

WE SPOKE TOLE OTHER POLITICIANS WHO HAVE BEEN THREATENED BY THE FAR RIGHT AS WELL.

THIS FILM IS PLENTY TO UPDATE THAT.

WHAT WE FOUND IS THE EMERGING NEW RIGHT IN GERMANY, A MOVEMENT IF YOU LIKE, FAR-RIGHT POLITICIANS IN THOUGHT, IS GETTING INTO POLYAND POLITICAL POWER, PARTICULARLY IN EAST GERMANY.

AND THEY'RE DOING THIS IN A WAY, THEY'RE DOING IT BY BASICALLY BROADENING THE SUPPORT BASE.

AMONG A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T SEE THEMSELVES AS FAR RIGHT.

BUT STILL ARE LISTENING TO THE THOUGHT AND THE RHETORIC AND THEEDING OF THE FAR RIGHT.

AND LET REMEMBER, THEIR MAIN TROPES, THEIR MAIN POSITIONS ARE VERY ANTI-IMMIGRANT, ANTI-MUSLIM, ANTI-MINORITY.

THEY ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT MIGRANTS CAUSING CRIME AND GERMANY BEING OVERRUN.

AND THIS SORT OF THING.

THEY GET TIED UP WITH THIS RHETORIC WHICH THEN MANY OF THE POLICE AND INVESTIGATIVE SHORTS BELIEVE ENCOURAGES THE SORT OF POLITICAL VIOLENCE THAT WE INVESTIGATED OVER THEEER.

AND THIS IS BASICALLY PICKED UP BY PEOPLE WHO ARE OFTEN DERANGED THEMSELVES BUT SOMEHOW FEEL IT IS OKAY TO DO SOMETHING.

THEY'RE HEARING IT.

THEY'RE HEARING THIS RHETORIC.

>> AND IN THE BACKGROUND, YOU ALSO COVER WHAT WE'VE SEEN.

AN ATTEMPTED MASSACRE OF WORSHIPPERS.

TARGETING MUSLIMS TO AN ASSASSINATION OF A FROM REF JAE POLITICIAN, AND A PLOT, I REMEMBER COVERING THIS, TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT ITSELF.

>> WELL, THE PLOT IS AN EXTRAORDINARY EPISODE.

SO YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT.

THE PLOT WAS REVEAL OR UNCOVERED BY THE DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS, TWO OF WHOM WE SPOKE TO IN THE FILM.

ONE NATIONAL AND ONE IN THE STATE.

AND THIS WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY PLOT WHERE THIS GROUP BELIEVED, OR WERE PLANNING, ACCORDING TO AUTHORITIES, THE TRIALS ARE ONGOING, THAT THEY CAN OVERTHROW PARLIAMENT BY STORMING IT VIOLENTLY.

THAT THEY HAD PLANS TO EVEN LIQUID ATE, TO ASSASSINATE SOME OF THESE POLITICIANS.

AND THE BIG THINKING SEEMED TO BE THAT WILL ELEMENTS OF THE ARMY AND THE POLICE FORCE IN GERMANY WOULD SOMEHOW GET BEHIND THEM AND THEY WOULD ESTABLISH A NEW GERMANY UNDER A MAN WHO IS A GERMAN ARISTOCRAT.

AND THEY WOULD FORM A SOVEREIGN NEW GERMANY UNDER ITS OWN LAWS AND THEY WOULD START DOING THING LIKE SETTING UP A PEACE AGREEMENT WITH RUSSIA.

IT SOUNDS FAR-FETCHED AND IT SOUNDS WEIRD AND UP LIKELY.

BUT DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE CHIEFS TELL US THAT THEY WERE PREPARED.

THEY HAD WEAPONS.

THEY HAD PEOPLE IN THEIR GROUP THAT KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

FORMER SOLDIERS.

FORMER POLICE OFFICERS.

THEY SAW IT AS A VERY SERIOUS THREAT BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BLOODY ATTACK ON THE INSTITUTIONS OF GERMANY.

RATE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT PLOT IS AN AFD POLITICIAN ALLEGEDLY WHO WOULD BE THE JUSTICE MINISTER OF THIS NEW GOVERNMENT.

AND OF COURSE, ALL THE PEOPLE CHARGED DENIED THE CHARGES.

THEY'RE ON CHARGES OF TERRORISM AND TREASON AMONG MANY OTHER THINGS.

THEM THEY TALKED ABOUT THINGS.

THERE WAS NEVER REALLY A PLOT BUT THEY'RE ON TRIAL.

AND THIS GOES TO THE HEART OF A NETWORK, A SERIES OF THESE SORT OF FAR RIGHT PLOTS IN GERMANY.

IT IS NOT THE ONLY ONE.

>> WHAT WAS THE AFD LEADERSHIP'S RESPONSE IN TERMS OF FINDING OUT THAT ONE OF ITS OWN MEMBERS WAS PART OF THE PLOT?

>> GREAT QUESTION.

THE CO-LEADERS WENT ON TELEVISION ON NEWS ITEMS.

THESE CO-LEADERS SAID IF THE AFD POLITICIAN WAS FOUND GUILTY AFTER DUE PROCESS IN COURTS, THEN THEY WOULD BE EXPELLED FROM THE PARTY.

IN THE SAME BREATH, THEY THEN ALSO ATTACKED THE POLICE FORCES AND THE INTELLIGENCE SERVICES FOR GOING AFTER PEOPLE THAT THEY TRIED TO CHARACTERIZE AS BASICALLY PENSIONERS.

AND THEY SAID THIS WAS REALLY OVERDONE.

THERE WERE 3,000 POLICE OFFICERS OVER 11 STATES INVOLVED IN ROLLING UP THIS PLOT.

SO IT WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ANN TERRORIST OPERATIONS IN GERMAN HISTORY.

YET THE AFD LEADERS SAY IT WASN'T REALLY, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN TAKEN SO SERIOUSLY.

>> THEY CONDEMNED IT BUT MADE THIS AN ISOLATED CASE.

AT THE SAME TIME, IT SEEMS THEY TOOK A LOT MORE ISSUE WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN 2023.

THAT'S WHEN JOURNALISTS REVEALED THROUGH RECORDINGS, SECRET RECORDINGS, MEETINGS THAT THEY FOUND OF AFD MEMBERS.

TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

THERE WERE FOUR AFD MEMBERS.

THEY WENT TO A HOTEL JUST OUTSIDE BERLIN AND IT WAS A MEETING WHERE A FAR RIGHT EXTREMIST NAMED MARTIN FROM AUSTRIA OUTLINED THIS IDEA OF WHAT HE CALLED MIGRATION.

THE IDEA IS IS THAT THERE ARE MIGRANT WHO'S AREN'T ASIMULATED PROPERLY.

THEY'RE A BURDEN ON THE STATE.

THEY'RE SETTING UP PARALLEL SOCIETIES.

THEY'RE NOT INTEGRATING AND THEY'RE MAINLY TARGETING HERE MUSLIMS.

THAT THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE SENT BACK.

AND HE SENT BACK SOMEWHERE, OR IN HIS WORDS TORSION A MODEL CITY IN SOUTH AFRICA SOMEWHERE.

THIS THEORY HAS BEEN AROUND A WHALE.

IT IS NOT SURPRISING.

WHAT REALLY CAUGHT THE ATTENTION OF GERMAN CITIZENS IT WAS FACT THAT THERE WERE FOUR AFD MEMBERS DISCUSSING SERIOUSLY THIS.

AND THE INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST HAD A I I ENTER HAVE YOU HAD A FOR THE FILM.

YOU MAY THEN DISAGREE BUT THEY WERE TALKING IN DETAIL ABOUT HOW THEY MIGHT PUSH FORWARD THESE PLANS.

AND ONE OF THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL I SPOKE TO WAS THE IDEA THAT THEY MATE SEND BACK THESE GERMANS, EVEN GERMAN CITIZENS WITH AN IMMIGRANT BACKGROUND WHO THEY DETERMINED AT SOME POINT HAVE NOT INTEGRATED ENOUGH.

THEY DENIED IT AND SAID THAT'S NOT PART OF THEIR POLICY.

IT WAS DISCUSSED IN THOSE TERMS.

AND THAT'S WHAT SENT MANY GERMANS, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GERMANS IN PROTEST AGAINST THE AFD.

>> YOU MENTIONED THE GERMAN STATE.

YOU SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME THERE INTERVIEWING TWO VERY DIFFERENT OFFICIALS.

ONE IS A POLITICIAN IN THE AFD BY THE NAME OF JORAN.

AND HE IS APPARENTLY GROWING QUITE POPULAR IN THAT STATE AND QUITE CONTROVERSIAL AS WELL, GIVEN SOME OF HIS POLICIES, HIS VIEWS AND HIS COMMENTARY.

TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HIM.

>> SO HE'S DESCRIBED AS A POLITICAL SCIENTIST WHO INTERVIEWED IN THE PIECE AS AN OLD SCHOOL FAR RIGHT EXTREMIST.

HE'S VERY VERY INFLUENTIAL WITHIN THE AFD ITSELF.

THE AFD STARTED AS AN ANTI-EU PARTY.

HE HAS MANAGED TO BRING IT VERY FAR TO THE RIGHT WITH HIS ANTI-IMMIGRANT, ANTI-REFUGEE RHETORIC THAT HE'S BEEN USING FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

HE'S BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF SAYING EVERYTHING FOR GERMANY.

IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT'S VERY PROBLEMATIC BUT THAT'S A BANNED NAZI SLOGAN.

SO IT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE TO USE SOME OF THIS SPEECH FROM THE NAZI ERA.

HE DID IT TWICE AND WAS THEN FOUND GUILTY AND FINED CLOSE TO $30,000 FOR THE OFFENSE.

HE IS MESSAGING, AND THE POLITICAL SIGNS IN THE PIECE SAYS THAT HE IS DOING THIS DELIBERATELY AS A WAY OF MESSAGING TO THE FAR RIGHT THAT THERE IS A PURE ETHNO NATIONALIST.

>> ALMOST USING IT AS A DOG WHISTLE, SPECIFICALLY TARGETING HIS CONSTITUENCY.

THERE'S A CLIP WHERE YOU ACTUALLY APPROACH HIM ABOUT THE USE OF THIS PHRASE, EVERYTHING FOR GERMANY.

>> YOU'VE BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIMINAL OFFENSE.

THAT'S A CRIME.

IT'S A NAZI SAYING.

[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] TRUMP SAYS AMERICA FIRST.

[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] >> YET HE TELL YOU THERE ARE NO NEO-NAZIS WORKING FOR THE AFD.

IT IS A VERY SMALL PROBLEM.

WHAT HE SAYS IS THE BIG PROBLEM IS GOVERNMENT EXTREMISM.

>> YES.

AND THIS GETS TO A REALLY INTERESTING PLACE IN GERMANY.

THERE ARE REPORTS THAT A NUMBER OF KNOWN EXTREME I HAVES ARE WORKING FOR THE AFD.

THERE ARE REPEATED STORIES ABOUT THIS.

THE AFD DENY THAT.

THEY SAY IT WILL DEFINE FAR RIGHT.

THEY ARE BASICALLY COALESCING BEHIND THE FAR RIGHT WHICH IS WHAT IS CALLED THE NEW RIGHT.

SO ALL THESE GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS ARE GETTING BEHIND THE AFD.

AT THE SAME TIME IT IS BROADENING ITS APPEAL BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE ECONOMY OR THE WAR IN UKRAINE AND THEY'RE STARTING TO GET BEHIND THEM WHICH IS WHY THE POLLING NUMBERS ARE GROWING SO STRONGLY.

I MEAN, THE CRUX OF THE MATTER NOW IS, HE SAYS THAT COMMENT THAT THE GOVERNMENT, IT IS THE GOVERNMENT EXTREMIST.

HE PERSONALLY IS UNDER SURVEILLANCE BY GERMAN DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE BECAUSE THEY HAVE DECLARED AND DEEMED AN EXTREMIST THREAT TO DEMOCRACY AND THE CONSTITUTION.

THAT PRETTY MUCH SAYS IT ALL.

THEY SAY THAT'S POLITICAL, YOU KNOW, PLA NAVARROING BY THE GOVERNMENT TO TRY TO CURB OUT OUR TRUE AND HONEST DEMOCRATIC WAYS.

THE DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE SERVICE SAYS YOU'RE BREAKING THE RED LINES AND BREAKING THE LAW BY GOING TOO FAR DOWN THIS EXTREMIST PATH.

>> THAT LEADS ME TO MY FINAL QUESTION.

WE SHOULD NOTE, DO YOU INTERVIEW THE DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE CHIEF WHO IS REALLY SOUNDING THE ALARM AGGRESSIVELY ABOUT THE RISE OF THE FAR RIGHT.

SPECIFICALLY, THE AFD PARTY THERE IN THAT STATE.

GERMANY, UNLIKE MOST OTHER COUNTRIES FOLLOWING WORLD WAR II AND THE HOLOCAUST, HAS REALLY CODIFIED SOME OF THE TOUGHEST LAWS IN TERMS OF PROTECTION, CONDEMNING HATE SPEECH.

SPECIFICALLY PARLIAMENT JUST VOTED TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTIONAL COURT AS WELL.

IN TERMS OF CHECKS AND BALANCES AND GUARDRAILS IN PLACE, DID YOU GET A SENSE THAT THERE IS SECURITY ALONG THAT FRONT?

THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS, THEY CAN WITHSTAND SOME OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS?

>> WELL, THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION GOING INTO THE STATE ELECTIONS IN SEPTEMBER.

IF THEY WIN IN THAT STATE, THE HEAD OF DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE SAID WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS YOU WOULD GET FIRED AND TRY TO REFORM THE ABILITY OF THAT BODY TO MAINTAIN EXTREMIST THREATS TO DEMOCRACY.

BUT ALSO, WHAT COULD HAPPEN, IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT MIGHT PUT THEIR OWN PERSON IN WHO WOULD THEN TECH NICK, TECHNICALLY WHO WOULD HAVE ACCESS IN GERMANY AS A WHOLE.

THAT WILL CREATE A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS.

THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.

SO THERE ARE VERY SERIOUS COLLECTION AND BALANCES IN GERMANY BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH IN WORLD WAR II.

IT IS UNIQUE IN THE WESTERN WORLD.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF THEY GET A LITTLE BIT OF POWER, IT WILL BE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY TRY TO ERODE.

IT IS A CHALLENGE AND I DON'T THINK, AND FOR EXAMPLE, HE SAYS TO ME IN THE PIECE, IF THE FAR RIGHT DOES WIN, IF THEY GET INTO A POSITION OF GOVERNMENTAL POWER IN THAT STATE, HE WILL LEAVE GERMANY.

THAT'S HOW SERIOUS THE THREAT IS, TO HIM, ANYWAY.

>> THAT LINE REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME AS WELL.

HE SAID WE CONSIDER RIGHT WING EXTREMISM THE SEVEREST AND MOST THREATENING DANGER WE HAVE IN THE COUNTRY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TO US WITH YOUR REALLY IMPORTANT MUST-WATCH DOCUMENTARY.

REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

AND THE INTEREST.

BYE-BYE.

>>> AND PBS FRONT LINES GERMANY'S ENEMY WITHIN IS NOW AVAILABLE TO STREAM ON FRONT LINE'S WEBSITE, YOUTUBE, AND IN THE PBS APP.

>>> NOW ACROSS THE WORLD, WE ARE SEEING AND FEELING THE IMPACT.

EVER-RISING ACTUALLY.

HEAT WAVES BLANKETING THE WORLD FROM THE PARIS OLYMPICS ALL THE WAY TO EAST ANT ARCTICA.

WHERE GROUND TEMPERATURES HAVE SOARED BY MORE THAN 50 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT.

SOMETHING MANY SCIENTISTS BELIEVE WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT CLIMATE CHANGE.

AS WE SEE THE SPIKING HEAT CHANGE OUR WORLD, IT IS IMPORTANT TO ASK HOW IT WILL IMPACT OUR BODIES.

CLIMATE WRITER LAURA PADDISON PUT HER BODY TO THE TEST UNDER EXTREME HEAT AND HUMIDITY TO HIGHLIGHT THE DANGERS OF A WARMING WORLD.

>> WE'RE HERE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF THE U.K.

BEHIND ME, SCIENTISTS CAN CONTROL THE TEMPERATURE.

PUMP IT UP TO ABOUT 104 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT.

THE WHOLE POINT IS TO SEE WHAT IMPACT EXTREME HEAT HAS ON MY BODY.

THIS IS MEASURING BRAIN BLOOD FLOW.

WE'LL BE LOOKING AT COGNITIVE FUNCTIONS.

HOW IS MY DECISION-MAKING AFFECTED BY THE HEAT.

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WILL FEEL LIKE LIVING IN A MUCH HOTTER WORLD.

>> OKAY.

YOU'RE READY FOR ACTION.

READY FOR LIFT-OFF.

>>> IT'S 40 DEGREES NOW.

20% HUMIDITY.

AND I CAN REALLY FEEL IT STARTING TO SWEAT.

MY FACE IS GETTING VERY HOT.

MY SKIN TEMPERATURE HAS GONE UP BY A COUPLE OF DEGREES.

>> A REALLY GOOD JOB HERE.

>> IT'S 40 DEGREES CELSIUS BUT 85% HUMIDITY.

THE DIFFERENCE IS INTENSE.

IT'S LIKE A SAUNA IN HERE.

THIS IS REALLY, REALLY TOUGH.

MY HANDS GET A BIT SHAKY.

EVERYTHING FEELS TIRING.

EVEN BREATHING FEELS WEIRD.

>> GREAT JOB!

>> THANK YOU.

>> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

IT'S NOT HERE.

WE'VE GOT A MARKEDLY DEPRESSED INCREASE IN EXERCISING THE BLOOD FLOW TO THE BRAIN.

IT'S GONE FROM 600 MILLILITERS PER MINUTE TO 400.

>> THAT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT.

>> WHICH IS HUGE.

YOU'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH FUEL INTO THE BRAIN.

YOU'RE NOT BURNING ENOUGH FUEL TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS.

WOULD YOU MAKE POTENTIALLY WRONG DECISIONS, RASH DECISIONS.

AND A MUCH LARGER INCREASE DOING EXERCISE.

SO YOUR HEART IS WORKING A LOT, LOT HARDER.

PROBABLY ABOUT 30% HARDER JUST BECAUSE OF THAT INCREASE IN TEMPERATURE AND HUMIDITY.

THERE IS A BIG DEAL FOR THEM.

THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THE SIMPLEST TASKS, EVEN STAND UP TO GET OUT OF A CHAIR.

THAT WOULD BE TOO DEMANDING.

>> WE'RE SEEING AROUND THE WORLD, IS THIS REALLY HEAT THAT IS PUSHING PLACES TO THE LIMITS OF SURVIVABILITY, STRONGER HEAT WAVES, MORE HUMID WEATHER, AND THE IMPACTS ON THE BODY ARE PRETTY OVERWHELMING.

>>> NOW WE RETURN TO THE U.S. LAST MONTH SONYA MASSEY CALLED RAIN IN 11 FOR HELP WITH A SUSPECTED PROWLER, ONLY TO BE SHOT AND KILLED BY A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY INSIDE HER OWN HOME.

IN CONVERSATION, CO-FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF THE CENTER FOR POLICING EQUITY, DR. TRACIE KEESEE DISCUSSES WHAT WENT WRONG AND WHAT LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN DO TO BETTER PROTECT THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE.

>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

A FEW DAYS AGO, THE NATION, I THINK, WAS RIGHTFULLY SHOCKED AND THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE THAT SHOWED THE LAST MOMENTS OF SOENL YA MASSEY'S RIFE.

SHE WAS A WOMAN WHO HAD CALLED POLICE FOR HELP AND SHE ENDED UP GETTING SHOT BY ONE OF THE VERY OFFICERS WHO WAS THERE TO HELP HER.

THE OFFICER HAS SINCE PLEADED NOT GUILTY.

HE'S BEEN FIRED AND HE'S BEEN CHARGED WITH ONE COUNT OF AGGRAVATED BATTERY WITH A FIREARM, OFFICIAL MISCONDUCT AND THREE COUNTS OF FIRST-DEGREE MURDER.

A GRAND JURY FELT THERE WAS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO BRING THESE CHARGES.

NOW HIS SIDE HAS NOT SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.

YOU HAVE SEEN THAT FOOTAGE.

WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU SAW AND IT WHAT WENT WRONG?

>> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, AND I WOULD TELL YOU, JUST IN OUR LITTLE BIT OF CONVERSATION BEFORE GETTING STARTED, THE TRAUMA OF HAVING TO WATCH THESE VIDEOS, AS YOU MENTIONED, NEVER GOES AWAY.

I THINK WHAT IS VERY STRIKING ABOUT IT, HERE YOU HAVE A WOMAN.

LET'S BE CLEAR, A BLACK WOMAN.

SHE CALLED 911 ASKING FOR HELP.

HEARING THINGS OUTSIDE OF THE HOME WHERE YOU HAVE DEPUTIES WHO ARE ON THE SCENE AND HAVE SEARCHED AROUND THE HOME AND ARE REALLY TALKING TO HER, THEY DIDN'T ASK IF SHE WAS OKAY.

DID SHE NEED ANYTHING ELSE.

SHE SAID NO.

THEN YOU HAVE THE DEPUTY IN QUESTION.

DEPUTY GRAYSON I BELIEVE IT IS WHO COMES IN AND ASKS AGAIN.

WHAT ELSE IS HAPPENING?

ASKS FOR HER I.D.

HER I.D.

IS INSIDE THE HOUSE, IN HER PURSE.

>> WHAT IS YOUR LAST NAME?

WHAT IS YOUR LAST NAME?

YOU'RE NOT IN TROUBLE.

>> MASSEY.

>> DO YOU HAVE AN I.D.?

THAT WOULD MAKE THINGS.

SO EASIER.

>> IN DOING SO, EVERYONE ELSE IS PRETTY MUCH LOOKING AROUND.

AND YOU CAN TELL THAT THERE ARE QUESTIONS HAPPENING.

BUT FOR MOST OF ALL THAT, THE INTERACTION IS GOING WELL.

THE DEPUTIES ARE ABOUT TO WRAP IT UP.

THEY'RE SAYING THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WE CAN DO.

WE HAVEN'T FOUND ANYONE.

SO ASKING FOR THE I.D.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH MAKING SURE THIS IS THE PERSON YOU'RE TALKING TO.

BUT WHAT GO HORRIBLY WRONG IS, OF COURSE WE HAVE A POT OF BOILING WATER ON THE STOVE.

NO ONE ELSE SEEMS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

SHE IS TURNING IT OFF.

AND THEN SHE BEGIN TO UTTER STATEMENTS AND STATEMENTS THAT AREN'T CONGRUENT WITH SOMEONE, WE KNOW SHE HAS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES BECAUSE SHE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT'S SHE TOOK EVERYTHING.

AND THEN BEGINS NOT TO TRACK.

AND THEN WHAT YOU SEE HAPPEN VERY QUICKLY IS THE ESCALATION.

>> WHERE ARE YOU GOING?

>> -- WATER.

>> AND THEN IMMEDIATELY YOU HEAR GUNFIRE.

AND YOU SEE IF YOU WATCHED THE VIDEO, YOU SEE MISMASSEY FALL TO THE GROUND.

SHE IS ALREADY ON HER WAY DOWN.

YOU WATCH ONE DEPUTY BEGIN TO RENDER AID IMMEDIATELY.

THE SHERIFF HAD A ACTUALLY SAW HER DOES NOTHING.

YOU HEAR THE COMMENTS ON THE VIDEO.

THEY BASICALLY STATE THAT SHE'S NOT WORTH SAVING.

THAT SHE CAN'T BE SAVED.

>> I'M GOING TO GO GET MY KIT.

SO YOU WATCH THIS INTERACTION AND YOU WATCH AS AN OFFICER AND YOU THINK ABOUT, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SHOULD BE DOING THERE, ONE, YOU DON'T ESCALATE A SITUATION.

WE ALL KNOW THAT.

THIS IS 2024.

VERY RARELY DO YOU FIND LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS, WHO HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH SOME LEVEL OF ESCALATION TRAINING.

AND IN ADDITION, VERY RARELY, I WON'T SAY EVERY AGENCY HAS DONE THIS, BUT YOU WILL FIND MENTAL HEALTH TRAINING HAS ALSO HAPPENED.

YOU RECOGNIZE WHEN THINGS ARE HAPPENING, YOU WILL DO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHEN YOU ARE WITH SOMEONE WHO MAY BE IN CRISIS OR WHO MAY NOT BE TRACKING.

YOU DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THAT.

YOU DIDN'T SEE THIS PARTICULAR PERSON BACKING UP TO GET DISTANCE BETWEEN THEM.

SO THIS IS WHAT IS SO SHOCKING AND HEARTBREAKING.

BUT THIS IS NOT NEW.

THIS IS WHAT THE BLACK COMMUNITY HAS CONSISTENTLY SINCE GEORGE FLOYD, BEFORE THAT, HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

AND THE DANGERS OF CALLING 911.

WE TALK ABOUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE SAFE IN YOUR HOME OR HOW DO YOU GET SAFETY, THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS CONTINUALLY AT THE TOP.

CONVERSATIONS, AND TOP OF THE POLICY DISCUSSIONS THAT CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.

>> WHEN YOU DISCUSS THE DISTRUST THAT EXISTS WITHIN MEMBERS OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY IN REACHING OUT TO THE POLICE FOR HELP.

SONYA MASSEY'S FATHER TOLD CBS NEWS AFTER THAT THEY FELT MISLED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BEFORE THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE WAS RELEASED.

BECAUSE THERE WAS A NARRATIVE THAT SHE EITHER DIED BY AN INTRUDER OR A SELF-INFLICTED WOUND.

I MAY NOT, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT FAMILY'S STATEMENT THERE?

>> IT'S A POWERFUL STATEMENT, RIGHT?

IT NOT ONLY UNDERGIRDS THE LONG-STANDING ISSUES ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT.

IT'S ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY.

WE TALK GOING BODY-WORN CAMERAS, RIGHT?

WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE INTRODUCTION OF BODY-WORN CAMERAS.

WHEN I CAME IN IN 1989, THERE WAS NOTHING ABOUT A BODY-WORN CAMERA.

I MENTIONED TO YOU, THE FIRST ITERATION FOR ME WOULD HAVE BEEN RODFULLY KING.

THAT WAS CAUGHT ON A VIDEO CRAM.

NOW A VERY OUTDATED VIDEO CAMERA.

IT WAS VERY GRAINY BUT YOU WOULD SEE IT.

YOU WOULD HAVE THE WORD OF THE OFFICERS AND NOTHING ELSE.

THE PERSON DIED OR WAS NOT ABLE TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD WITH HAVE.

WHAT HER FATHER IS TALKING GOING IS BEING ABLE TO COME FORWARD IN AN HONEST WAY.

WITHOUT THE BODY-WORN FOOTAGE, WE MAY HAVE NEVER KNOWN.

NOW WE KNOW THE NARRATIVE DOESN'T HOLD UP.

WITH THAT, WE THEN NOW NEED TO HAVE AND UNDERSTAND WHY THINGS UNFOLDED THE WAY THAT THEY DID.

AND THIS IS WHAT WE CALL A PORTION OF THIS, ACCOUNT AFBLT WITHOUT THAT, YOU DON'T BEGIN TO HAVE IT.

IN SOME CASES, YOU DON'T BEGIN TO HAVE WHAT PEOPLE WOULD CALL JUSTICE.

IT WAS ALSO INTERESTING, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS AND WE TALK GOING WHEN DO WE REALLY GET INTO CONVERSATIONS.

IN MY CAREER IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REFORMS, ONE OF THE THING THAT CAME UP WAS BODY-WORN CAMERA.

AND THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT THIS IS THE THING THAT WILL MAKE IT.

THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY WILL BE ABLE TO BUILD TRUST WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

WE KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF THING THAT HAPPENED WHEN WE TALK GOING BEING ABLE TO RELEASE THE FOOTAGE.

THE POLICIES AROUND IT.

IF I REMEMBER, I DON'T BELIEVE SHERIFF GRAYSON TURNED HIS CAMERA ON.

IF IT WEREN'T FOR ANOTHER SHERIFF AT THE SCENE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT FOOTAGE.

>> GIVEN YOUR EXPERTISE, WHAT KINDS OF TRAINING ARE OFFICERS NOW GETTING IN DEPARTMENTS THAT CHOOSE TO INVEST THE TIME IN THIS?

>> WELL, IT VARIES.

IT WILL DEPEND ON WHERE YOU ARE.

HOW LARGE THE AGENCY IS, BELONG YOU'RE A SHERIFF'S AGENCY AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE THE BUDGET.

I THINK COMMUNITIES WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED ABOUT THE LACK OF A TRAINING BUDGET THAT MOST LAW ENFORCEMENT HAVE.

IN SOME CASES, IT'S NOT EVEN A LINE ITEM.

SO A LOT OF WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS THERE ARE CRITICAL INCIDENT TRAINING.

YOU WILL HEAR IT NAMED C.I.T.

MENTAL HEALTH FIRST-AID.

THAT'S A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF HOW PEOPLE WHO ARE IN CRISIS SHOW UP.

WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE.

AND A LOT OF TIME YOU CAN LOOK AT YOUR OWN FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS AND SEE SOME OF THE SAME THINGS THAT HAPPENED WITH THEM.

SOME OF IT IS AT A VERY BASIC LEVEL.

THAT'S A LOT OF TIME WHAT YOU NEED.

THE ACADEMY CURRICULUMS HAVE BEEN CHANGED TO INCORPORATE THOSE THINGS INCLUDING THE SCENARIO TRAINING THAT YOU HAVE.

IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN UNCOMMON TO HAVE A SCENARIO-BASED TRAINING WITH AN EVENT LIKE MISS MASSEY AND IF YOU DO HAVE THE RESOURCES, THE ABILITY TO CALL SOMEONE ELSE IN TO HELP WITH HER TO SEE IF THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN DO.

AT THAT TIME, LAW ENFORCEMENT WOULD BACK OUT.

BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF TRAININGS NOW.

AND IT IS REALLY INTERESTING THAT IN THIS DAY AND AGE, IT WOULD BE VERY UNCOMMON TO NOT HAVE SOME BASIC LEVEL OF MENTAL HEALTH TRAINING.

I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF A LOT OF AGENCIES DID NOT HAVE IT.

AND THEN I WOULD ADD TO THAT, BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO CALLING 911, DOES A PERSON HAVE EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEEDED BEFORE YOU BEGIN TO CALL LAW ENFORCEMENT?

AND THIS IS THE THING COMMUNITY -- EVEN LAW ENFORCEMENT IS TALKING ABOUT.

OFTENTIMES, THOSE CALLS WILL COME IN.

WE KNOW 4% OF 911 CALLS ARE, THE REST ARE SOCIAL NEEDS.

WHY WOULD YOU HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOWING UP FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS SOCIAL NEEDS?

THAT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING CONVERSATION.

EVEN WHEN I WAS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE SHOWING UP FOR THE RIGHT THING?

>> IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN EITHER THE TRAINING OR THE OUTCOMES OF HOW POLICE APPROACH WOMEN?

>> THERE IS.

WHAT IS INTERESTING IS, ONE OF THE THING WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF GENDER DYNAMICS WHEN IT COME TO HOW MEN BELIEVE WOMEN WILL RESPOND OR SHOW UP.

A LOT OF THOSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THE TRAINING.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DANGER, WHAT IS INTERESTING, WHEN WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE SCIENCES, ESPECIALLY BLACK WOMEN AND BLACK MEN WHO ARE IN DANGER, WE TALK ABOUT HOW QUICKLY FOLKS RESPOND.

WHEN YOU ASSOCIATE BLACKNESS WITH CRIMINALITY, IT CHANGES THE WAY YOU RESPOND.

SO THE TIMES OF TRAINING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE ACADEMY IS JUST THAT.

YOU WILL HEAR CONVERSATIONS AROUND NOT JUST IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING BUT UNDERSTANDING CULTURALLY HOW POLICING HAS BEEN INTRODUCED INTO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.

FORM YOU TO HAVE A SELF-AWARENESS ABOUT HOW YOU MAY SHOW UP.

IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO SLOW YOURSELF DOWN.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED IN ORDER TO GO INTO THAT SPACE AND YOU ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE RESOURCES THAT YOU NEED.

I THINK ALSO MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR RECRUITING, THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO BE IN THE PROFESSION.

ONE OF THE THING WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT, WHO IS ENTRUSTED TO THE JOB?

>> IN THE CASE OF SEAN GRAYSON, ACCORDING TO CNN, HE HAD TWO PREVIOUS DUIs.

HE WORK AT SIX AGENCIES IN FOUR YEARS.

HE WAS TOLD HE NEEDED A HIGH-STRESS DECISION CLASS.

HE WAS DISCHARGED FROM THE ARMY FOR A SERIOUS OFFENSE.

THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE SAID THEY DID KNOW ABOUT HIS TWO DUI ARRESTS BUT HE WAS STILL CERTAIN FADE FOR HIRE BY THE ILLINOIS LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING AND STANDARDS BOARD.

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE HAVE SO MANY CRACKS IN THE SYSTEM THAT WERE DESIGNED TO CATCH PEOPLE WHO SHOULDN'T BE GIVEN THIS POWER TO WIELD A WEAPON AND ULTIMATELY, TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A LIFE?

>> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

HOW MANY MORE FLAGS DID YOU NEED ON HIM?

YOU MENTIONED, RATE?

THERE'S PEACE OFFICER STANDARDS TRAINING.

A LOT OF STATES HAVE THEM AND SOME DON'T.

THAT'S TYPICALLY THE ARM OF THE STATE, THE LOCALITY THAT GIVES YOU YOUR CERTIFICATION AS A POLICE OFFICER.

ONE OF THE CONTINUES THAT HAS NOT REALLY BEEN DONE IS A REAL GOOD EXAMINATION OF THOSE POST WARDS, IS WHAT WE CALL THEM.

OFTEN THE PEACE OFFICERS TRAINING BOARDS ARE COMPRISED OF RETIRED OFFICERS.

RARELY ARE THEY COMPRISED OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

AND LOOKING AT THOSE POLICY THAT'S TRIGGER WHEN OFFICERS CANNOT BE HAIRED OR TRANSFERRED, AS WE TALK ABOUT, THE GEORGE FLOYD ACT, HAVING A DID IT A BASE THAT FLAGS FOR YOU OFFICERS WHO MAY HAVE BEEN HIRED MULTIPLE TIMES AND HAVE THESE FLAGS.

WOMAN THE SHERIFF HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN THAT PARTICULAR DATABASE?

WE DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

TO YOUR POINT, THE QUESTION NOW GOES, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED?

WHY WAS THERE PERSONNEL ELIGIBLE TO BE HIRED?

YOU CAN'T GO BACK NOW AND SAY, WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.

BUT SOME OF THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION.

YOU ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE LIKE THIS IS NOT IN A PROFESSION THAT IS HIGH RISK.

AND WILL IN A PROFESSION WHERE THEY SHOULD NOT BE.

>> THE POLICE UNION JUST RELEASED A STATEMENT SAYING THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FIGHT THE FIRING OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY WHO FATALLY SHOT SONYA MASSEY.

HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT?

>> IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE A FEW DAYS AGO, THEY ARE DEMANDING THAT THE PERSON BE REINSTATED.

THEY WERE SAYING HIS DUE PROCESS RIGHTS WERE NOT FOLLOWED AND THEY WERE DEMANDING HIS HE FULL REINSTATEMENT WITH BACK PAY.

BUT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR UNIONS TO DO WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT CREATED THE TURN OF THAT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BODY-WORN CAMERA AND YOU SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED, YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THIS PERSON SHOULD NO LONGER BE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE BLACK COMMUNITY SEES THIS.

WHEN YOU SEE UNIONS, AND BELIEVE ME, A LOT OF FOLKS BELONG TO UNIONS.

WHEN YOU SEE A UNION TRY TO PROTECT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU THEN, IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE BLACK COMMUNITY HAS A LACK OF TRUST, THEN I HAVE TO SAY THERE'S A REAL DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE UNION AND WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING ON BEHALF OF OFFICERS.

I BELONGED TO UNIONS MY ENTIRE CAREER.

THE ONE THING I WOULD ALWAYS WANT IS TO HAVE MY RIGHTS PROTECTED.

I ALSO KNOW THAT WHEN I VIOLATED SOMEONE'S RIGHTS, OR WHEN I WAS WRONG, THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY THERE.

AND THIS WAS BEFORE BODY-WORN CAMERAS.

NOW WHEN YOU HAVE BODY-WORN CAMERAS AND I'M AN AT-WILL EMPLOYEE, I UNDERSTAND THAT I MAY BE TERMINATED.

AND WHATEVER ABOUT-FACE THEY'VE TAKEN, IT IS GOOD TO SEE THAT.

BUT THAT ORIGINAL STATEMENT IS THE REASON WHY THE ONGOING ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY CONTINUE AND IT GETS EXACERBATED.

>> HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICE FORCE REFLECTS THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY SERVE?

I'M NOT JUST SAYING BY RACE.

I'M TALKING BY GENDER, BY CLASS, BY A CONNECTION SO THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO HAVE A LIFE EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY WALK INTO UNKNOWN SITUATIONS THAT THE WHOLE SITUATION MIGHT BENEFIT FROM.

>> IF YOU WANT THE ORGANIZATION TO REFLECT THE COMMUNITY IT SERVES, FIRST, THE ORGANIZATION ITSELF NEEDS TO BE HEALTHY.

THAT MEANS THAT WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO RECRUIT A DIVERSE ORGANIZATION TO YOUR POINT, IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT RACE.

IT IS ABOUT THOUGHT AND IT IS ABOUT EXPERIENCE.

THE OTHER PART OF THIS, TOO, IS UNDERSTANDING BROADER SOCIETY, HAD A DIFFERENT LIVED EXPERIENCE WHEN IT COMES TO ITS INTERACTION WITH POLICING.

THAT REQUIRES LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DECENTER ITSELF FROM WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE LARGER COMMUNITY.

IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO STEP OUTSIDE OF YOURSELF TO UNDERSTAND THAT ALTHOUGH YOU MAY BE TRYING TO DO A GOOD SERVICE, AND THOUGH YOU MAY BE TRYING NOT TO DO HARM, HARM HAS BEEN DONE.

IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN DONE BY YOU.

YOU'LL HERE LAW ENFORCEMENT SAYING IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO RECRUIT BECAUSE OF WHAT IS BEING SAID.

WHAT IS BEING SAID ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS NOT NEW.

WHAT IS NEW IS THAT YOU HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA.

YOU HAVE IT HAPPENING FASTER AND QUICKER.

SO THE ABILITY TO RECRUIT HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR DECADES.

IT'S JUST BEEN EXACERBATED.

BUT UNTIL THOSE THINGS ARE TRULY ADDRESSED, INCLUDING THE ATTITUDES OF FOLKS INSIDE ORGANIZATIONS, AND IN THE COMMUNITIES.

I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THIS IS JUST ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT.

WHEN I MADE THE DECISION TO GO INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT, I STRUGGLED ABOUT THE DECISION ITSELF.

WHEN THOSE THINGS BEGIN TO ALIGN AND WE BEGIN TO ADDRESS THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD HERE.

THE LONGSTANDING ISSUES OF HOW SAFETY IS DELIVERED, THEN YOU WILL NOT SEE A LOT OF THOSE HURDLES.

>> TRACIE KEESEE, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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>>> AND FINALLY, A CHAMPAGNE SHIPWRECK.

A NAENLT CENTURY UNDERWATER TROVE HAS BEEN FOUND OFF THE COAST OF SWEDEN FILLED WITH MORE THAN 100 BOTTLES OF BUBBLES.

A GROUP OF POLISH DIVERS FOUND IT AND SAY IT MAY HAVE BEEN DESTINED FOR RUSSIA.

THEY SAY THEY WILL NEED PERMISSION FROM SWEDISH AUTHORITIES TO BRING IT ASHORE.

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