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>>> HELLO, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO "AMANPOUR & COMPANY."
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>> IT'S DONE.
THE TORCH IS PASSED.
WE EXAMINE THE EMOTIONS AND LOOK BEYOND THE EUPHORIA AT THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION.
THEN.
>> SANAA DOESN'T JUST ACCUSE ISRAELY TROOPS OF KILL HER HUSBAND AND DAUGHTER.
AN ISRAELI SOLDIER MAY ALSO HAVE SAVED HER LIFE.
>> AN EXTRAORDINARY STORY OF SURVIVAL IN GAUZE AS CEASE-FIRE HOSTAGE TALKS HANG BY A THREAD.
WE GET THE LATEST FROM TEL AVIV.
ALSO AHEAD -- FRUSTRATION OVER ISRAEL/GAZA POLICY AT THE CONVENTION.
I SPEAK TO DR. TANYA HAJ-HASSAN WHO'S RAISING THE ISSUE AT THE DNC.
THEN.
>> THEY'RE DELUDING THEMSELVES INTO THINKING THAT THEY WILL HAVE INFLUENCE OVER TRUMP.
>> THE FINANCIERS BACKING TRUMP.
BILLIONAIRE CAPITALIST MICHAEL MORITZ TELLS WALTER ISAACSON WHY HE THINKS BILLIONAIRE SUPPORTERS ARE MAKING A BAD BET.
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>>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.
I'M CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR IN LONDON.
AND IT'S DAY TWO OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION IN CHICAGO.
THE PARTY IS ROLLING OUT THE BIG GUNS AGAIN TO WHIP UP SUPPORT FOR THEIR NOMINEE, KAMALA HARRIS.
THE MAJOR DRAW TONIGHT IS UNDOUBTEDLY DEMOCRATIC POWER COUPLE PRESIDENT OBAMA AND FIRST LADY MICHELLE OBAMA.
THEY FOLLOW AN OPENING NIGHT OF PALPABLE EMOTION WHEN PRESIDENT BIDEN CAME ONTO HIS PARTY'S BIGGEST STAGE TO BID FAREWELL.
>> I MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES IN MY CAREER, BUT I GAVE MY BEST TO YOU.
FOR 50 YEARS, LIKE MANY OF YOU, I'VE GIVEN MY HEART AND SOUL TO OUR NATION.
AND I'VE BEEN BLESSED A MILLION TIMES IN RETURN WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
>> AND SAYING THAT HE LOVED HIS JOB BUT HE LOVED HIS COUNTRY MORE, HE PASSED THE TORCH TO HIS VEEP.
HOWEVER, THE PARTY WILL NEED TO MOBILIZE MORE THAN JUST LOYALISTS IF IT'S GOING TO BEAT DONALD TRUMP TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN NOVEMBER.
THE POLLS MAY GIVE HARRIS A SLIGHT ROAD RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S STILL NECK AND NECK WITH 76 DAYS TO GO.
MICHIGAN'S DEMOCRATIC STATE SENATOR MALLORY McMORROW LAST NIGHT WARNED DELEGATES OF THE DANGERS OF RE-ELECTING TRUMP.
AND SHE CAME WITH A GIGANTIC PROP, THE CONSERVATIVE BLUEPRINT KNOWN AS PROJECT 2025.
NOW, SHE'S A RISING STAR IN THE PARTY, AND SHE JOINS ME NOW FROM CHICAGO.
STATE SENATOR, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I'M GOING TO GET TO THAT RATHER DRAMATIC MOMENT WHERE YOU SLAM THIS GREAT BIG TOME DOWN ON THE PODIUM, BUT FIRST I WANT TO ASK YOU TO LOOK FORWARD TO TONIGHT.
WHAT YOU DO YOU EXPECT AFTER OPENING NIGHT FROM THE OBAMAS AND FROM THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, PARTY STARS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY MIGHT BE SAYING AT THIS MOMENT IN CHICAGO AND TO THE DELEGATES?
>> SO LAST NIGHT I JUST HAVE TO START WITH IT WAS ABSOLUTELY ELECTRIC, AND WE HAD JUST AN OVERWHELMING SENSE OF GRATITUDE AND APPRECIATION FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN IN HIS LIFETIME OF SERVICE, MAKING THIS ABSOLUTELY SELFLESS DECISION TO PUT THE COUNTRY FIRST, AMERICA FIRST, SOMETHING HE ACTUALLY BELIEVES UNLIKE THE OTHER GUY WHO JUST SAYS IT AND LOOKS IT FOR HIMSELF.
AND TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE OBAMAS TAKE THE STAGE, AND I A MOMENT THAT MANY ARE RECOGNIZING RIGHT NOW FEELS LIKE HOPE AGAIN IN THE VERY WAY THAT 2008 DID.
SO IT'S JUST REALLY A CONTINUATION OF A CELEBRATION OF ENERGY AND ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO GET TO WORK FOR THE NEXT 77 DAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WRITE A NEW CHAPTER FOR THIS COUNTRY THAT LEADS WITH HOPE AND LOVE AND PASSION IN A WAY THAT NOBODY EMBODIES BETTER THAN THE OBAMAS.
>> AND KAMALA HARRIS, HOW DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING FOR HER AT THE CONVENTION IN TERMS OF THE EUPHORIA FOR SURE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE DONE TO TRANSLATE THAT INTO VOTES IN NOVEMBER?
>> SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT IS ALREADY HAPPENING.
DOWN IN MICHIGAN WE HAD A RALLY IN DETROIT FOR KAMALA HARRIS AND TIM WALZ, MORE THAN 15,000 PEOPLE IN AN AIRPERT HANGER SPILLING OUT INTO THE OUTDOORS, AND THE ENERGY WAS JUST SO EXCITING.
IT'S REALLY FEELS LIKE SHE'S RISEN TO THE MOMENT, THE CAMPAIGN SHE'S BEEN ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER IN JUST A MATTER OF DAYS AND NOW WEEKS.
YOU CAN FEEL IT ALL THROUGHOUT THE CONVENTION, A CONVENTION THAT IS BRINGING TOGETHER VERY DISPARATE VOICES FROM OUR PARTY IN A REAL MESSAGE OF UNITY.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CONTINUING THE WORK.
WE'VE SEEN A RECORD UPTICK IN VOLUNTEERING OPPORTUNITIES AND DONATIONS.
PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT TO SIGN UP TO VOLUNTEER THAT HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF KEEPING THAT ENERGY GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH NOVEMBER.
>> NOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS, OBVIOUSLY, AND CONSTITUENCIES THAT SHE HAS TO WIN BACK TO THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE.
BUT PERHAPS MAYBE NOT WOMEN BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN VERY TRAILBLAZING IN THAT REGARD.
OF COURSE, 2016 IT WAS HILLARY CLINTON WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT.
AND SHE TOOK TO THE STAGE LAST NIGHT TALKING ABOUT HOW FAR THIS COUNTRY ACTUALLY HAS COME.
GOING TO PLAY A TINY BIT FROM HER SPEECH.
>> NEARLY 66 MILLION AMERICANS VOTED FOR A FUTURE WHERE THERE ARE NO CEILINGS ON OUR DREAMS.
AND AFTERWARDS WE REFUSED TO GIVE UP ON AMERICA.
MILLIONS MARCHED, MANY RAN FOR OFFICE.
WE KEPT OUR EYES ON THE FUTURE.
WELL, MY FRIENDS, THE FUTURE IS HERE!
>> SO THAT'S PRETTY DRAMATIC AND A RALLYING CRY.
AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE FUTURE FACES TO CERTAINLY THE FEMALES IN THE PARTY.
WHAT DOES THAT SPEECH AND THAT REALIZATION MEAN TO YOU?
>> YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN REALLY INCREDIBLE.
SINCE 2016 YOU LOOK AT A STATE LIKE MICHIGAN.
MICHIGAN IS NOW A STATE THAT IS LED BY WOMEN.
WE HAVE GRETCHEN WHITMER, OUR GOVERNOR.
DANA NESTLER OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL.
JOCELYN OUR SECRETARY OF STATE.
WE'VE HAD MORE WOMEN IN THE LEGISLATURE THAN WE'VE EVER HAD.
AND THE AMOUNT OF PROGRESS WE'VE MADE IN SUCH A SHORT TIME IT'S NO LONGER AN ISSUE IF YOU'RE A WOMAN RUNNING FOR OFFICE, AND IF ANYTHING IT'S PREFERABLE TO VOTERS.
SO IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE THAT THIS IS NO LONGER A HURDLE THAT I THINK KAMALA HARRIS HAS TO GET OVER.
IT IS BUILDING ON THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF WOMEN LED BY SECRETARY CLINTON AND ALL OF US WHO HAVE RUN LARGELY ON HER SHOULDERS.
IT JUST FEELS AMAZING.
>> AND DO YOU THINK THAT'S WHY CERTAINLY UP TO NOW KAMALA HARRIS HAS NOT MADE A BIG DEAL OF BEING A WOMAN.
IT'S NOT THE CENTER POINT?
THAT PART OF IDENTITY IS NOT WHAT SHE USES AS HER TENT POLE SPEECHES?
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW LOOKING AT HER THAT SHE IS A WOMAN.
AND WE'VE GOTTEN TO A PLACE WHERE YOU NO LONGER NEED TO REALLY STATE THAT ALMOST AS A QUALIFIER.
I THINK FOR SO MANY WOMEN IT FELT LIKE SOMETHING YOU HAD TO SAY ALMOST AS A QUALIFIER TO SAY YES, I'M A WOMAN BUT I CAN STILL DO THIS.
I CAN BE IN THE BOARDROOM, I CAN BE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
AND IT'S NO LONGER A BUT.
WE SEE WOMEN IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS IN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND LEADERSHIP POSITIONS.
AND KAMALA HARRIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF AN INCREDIBLY COMPETENT CANDIDATE WHO IS GOING TO BECOME THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
>> AND OF COURSE WHERE I SIT ALL OVER THE WORLD, THEY HAVE REALLY DONE IT FIRST.
AMERICA LAGS IN THAT REGARD BECAUSE THERE ARE FEMALE PRESIDENTS, PRIME MINISTERS, HEADS OF ARMIES, FOREIGN MINISTERS, AND IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
SO I WANT TO ASK YOU THEN ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.
AND YOU BROUGHT THAT GIGANTIC PROJECT 2025 THING THAT IS THE BLUEPRINT FOR A CONSERVATIVE AGENDA, WHICH YOU CALL TRUMP'S PLAN TO BECOME A DICTATOR.
I'M GOING TO PLAY A TINY LITTLE BIT OF YOUR SPEECH LAST NIGHT.
>> I'M MICHIGAN STATE SENATOR MALLORY McMORROW, AND THIS -- THIS IS PROJECT 2025.
THEY WENT AHEAD AND WROTE DOWN ALL THE EXTREME THINGS THAT DONALD TRUMP WANTS TO DO IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.
AND THEN THEY JUST TWEETED IT OUT.
PUTTING IT OUT ON THE INTERNET FOR EVERYBODY TO READ.
SO WE READ IT.
AND WHATEVER YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE, IT IS SO MUCH WORSE.
>> WHAT MADE YOU COME UP WITH THE IDEA OF MAKING THIS GIGANTIC HARD COVER BOOK AND SLAMMING IT DOWN ON THE PODIUM?
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN PEOPLE HEAR ABOUT PROJECT 2025, FIRST OF ALL, THE CONTENTS OF IT ARE JUST TERRIFYING.
BUT BEYOND THAT THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION CREATED A 900-PLUS PAGE DOCUMENT OUTLINING WHAT DONALD TRUMP AND ALL OF HIS LACKEYS WOULD DO IN THE FIRST 180 DAYS IF THEY GOT BACK INTO OFFICE.
NOW, THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS TERRIFYING.
BUT WHEN YOU ARE PRESENTING TO AN ARENA FULL OF PEOPLE AND AN AUDIENCE ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WE REALLY HAD TO DRIVE THAT POINT HOME IN A WAY THAT PEOPLE WOULD REMEMBER.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO DISTILL COMPLEX IDEAS IN WAYS THAT PEOPLE WITH TALK TO THEIR FRIENDS AT A WAR ABOUT THAT'S REALLY GOING TO STICK.
SO WE WORKED IN REALLY BRINGING THIS BOOK TO LIFE, TO REALLY SHOWCASE THE SIZE OF IT, THE AMOUNT OF CONTENT IN IT.
BUT THEN WE WANTED TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO A VERY SIMPLE CONCEPT THAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE EVERY NIGHT THROUGHOUT THE CONVENTION ABOUT WHAT THIS DOCUMENT REALLY MEANS IN A WAY THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT ESPECIALLY IN GEN "Z" THERE ARE A LOT OF VOTERS VOTING FOR MAYBE THE FIRST TIME THIS YEAR WHO DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO HAVE DONALD TRUMP INTO OFFICE.
AND WE HAVE TO DRAW A VERY STARK CONTRAST BETWEEN WHAT KAMALA HARRIS IS PRESENTING AND THE DANGERS TO DONALD TRUMP.
>> SO I'VE QUESTIONED QUITE A FEW REPUBLICANS WHEN WE GET THEM ON THE AIR, AND THEY ALL SAY, NO, NO, NO, IT'S NOT HIS BLUEPRINT.
THAT'S THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION, IT'S NOT US.
BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY CHEERILY BELIEVE IT IS SOMETHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND OBVIOUSLY TRUMP HIMSELF HAS GIVEN THAT FAMOUS INTERVIEW TO "TIME" MAGAZINE IN WHICH HE LAID OUT THE DICTATORIAL I GUESS WISH LIST HE WANTED TO IMPLEMENT.
BUT I WONDER WHAT YOU MAKE OF THIS WHICH WAS JUST SENT TO ME AND ANNOUNCED THIS WEEKEND.
TRUMP IS ANNOUNCING A CRIME AND SAFETY RALLY FOR THIS TUESDAY IN YOUR STATE IN HOWELL, MICHIGAN.
IT'S A TOWN THAT FOR DECADES HAS BEEN HEAVILY ASSOCIATED WITH THE KKK.
WE SPOKE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT BEFORE WE CAME ON-AIR, BUT WHAT ACTUALLY -- WHAT IS HE SAYING?
WHO IS THIS DIRECTED TO?
>> I THINK THIS IS REALLY ONE OF THE DANGERS OF DONALD TRUMP, AND IT'S NOT AN ACCIDENT THAT HE'S HOLDING THIS EVENT IN HOWELL, MICHIGAN.
A PLACE NOT ONLY TRADITIONALLY HOME TO THE KKK BUT THERE WAS LITERALLY NAZI PARAPHERNALIA.
WHO IS HE DEMONIZE AND TARGETING?
REALLY IT'S ANYBODY NOT STRAIGHT AND WHITE AND UPHOLDS VERY TRADITIONAL ARIAN PRINCIPLES WHICH SHOULD TERRIFY ALL OF US.
>> AND MANY SAY IT WON'T BE LOST TO PEOPLE WHO ARE BLACK, PEOPLE WHO ARE JEWISH, THOSE KINDS OF GROUPS TARGETED IN THE PAST AND CONTINUE TO BE TARGETED.
LET ME ASK YOU THIS BECAUSE, LOOK, EVERYBODY'S FACT CHECKING EVERYTHING.
LAST NIGHT YOU SAID THAT SCOTUS AND THE DECISION ABOUT IMMUNITY GRANTS THE PRESIDENT TOTAL IMMUNITY.
YOU SAID THANKS TO DONALD TRUMP'S HAND PICKED PICK TO SUPREME COURT HE'S IMMUNE FROM PROSECUTION.
BUT CNN'S FACT CHECKERS SAY THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT, HE GETS SOME IMMUNITY BUT NOT BLANKET IMMUNITY.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?
>> SO WHEN THE SUPREME COURT ISSUED THEIR RULING, THEY WERE INCREDIBLY VAGUE ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD DEFINE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN OFFICIAL PRESIDENTIAL DUTY AND A PERSONAL DUTY, LEAVING THE DOOR WIDE OPEN IN THEIR DECISION THAT ANYTHING THAT THE PRESIDENT DOES WHILE IN OFFICE CAN BE CONSIDERED AN OFFICIAL DUTY.
SO I THINK THAT IS REALLY WHAT SHOULD CARIFY PEOPLE.
IF WE'VE SEEN ANYTHING FROM THIS SUPREME COURT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS IS THEY ARE WILLING TO GIVE DONALD TRUMP ALL THE LEEWAY IN THE WORLD WHERE HE CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT THIS WAS AN OFFICIAL DUTY BECAUSE I WAS IN OFFICE.
EVEN IF HE STARTS ATTACKING POLITICAL OPPONENTS, EVEN IF HE STARTS JAILING PEOPLE FOR REASONS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED BY THE REST OF OUR STANDARDS TO BE A CRIME, THAT HE WOULD GET BLANKET IMMUNITY BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT HAS EFFECTIVELY SAID SO LONG AS HE IS IN OFFICE AS THE PRESIDENT, HE HAS IMMUNITY FROM HIS ACTIONS.
>> FINALLY, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A RECENT POLL CBS NEWS UGOV SAYS 70% SAY THE WAR IN HAMAS IS THEIR VOTE.
MANY HAVE SAID THE U.S. IS NOT STANDING UP FOR PALESTINIANS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN COME ELECTION DAY?
ARE THOSE VOTES GOING TO BE WON BACK?
WHAT WILL IT TAKE?
>> SO I THINK IT'S KEY TO POINT OUT ALL THE PROTESTS AND CONVERSATION AROUND THE MIDDLE EAST ARE HAPPENING ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE, AND THAT IS FOR A GOOD REASON.
BECAUSE VOTERS RECOGNIZE THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE MORE CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH SEEKING PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
THEY ARE NOT EVEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOD JARED KUSHNER, THE PRESIDENT'S SON-IN-LAW WHO ADVISES THEM ON ISSUES WHO HAS SAID THAT GAZA SHOULD BE BULLDOZED AND WOULD MAKE GREAT BEACHFRONT PROPERTY.
THERE WAS A PANEL HELD AT THE CONVENTION YESTERDAY ABOUT REALLY UPLIFTING PALESTINIAN VOICES AND VALUES.
THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS CALLED FOR A CEASE-FIRE.
THE PRESIDENT LAST NIGHT IN HIS SPEECH ACINFORMATIONED THAT IT IS TIME TO BRING THIS WAR TO AN END.
AND THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND ALSO ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES.
BUT WE ARE WILLING TO TAKE ON DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS, AND I BELIEVE THAT VOTERS WILL BE WITH US IN NOVEMBER.
>> AND ACTUALLY LATER IN THE PROGRAM WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO ONE OF THE DOCTORS WHO WAS ON THAT PANEL THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.
STATE SENATOR McMORROW, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, INDEED, FOR JOINING US.
>>> AND OUTSIDE THE CONVENTION HALL THOUSANDS OF PRO-PALESTINIAN PROTESTERS ARE DEMANDING THE U.S. END ITS SUPPORT OF ISRAEL'S WAR IN GAZA.
IT'S A MAJOR ISSUE PLAGUING THE NEXT PRESIDENT AS WE JUST DISCUSSED.
THOUGH, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AGAIN TOUTED HOPE FOR A CEASE-FIRE, NEITHER ISRAEL NOR HAMAS SOUNDED OPTIMISTIC.
IN AN OVERNIGHT OPERATION, THOUGH, THE ISRAELI MILITARY ANNOUNCED IT RETRIEVED THE BODIES OF SIX HOSTAGES FROM HAMAS TUNNELS IN KHAN YOUNIS.
MEANTIME COUNTLESS PALESTINIAN FAMILIES ARE LOSING THEIR LOVED ONES INCLUDING SOHNA ABU TABAZ WHOSE HUSBAND AND DAUGHTER WERE KILLED IN AN ATTACK IN THEIR HOME.
AND SHE HER OTHER DAUGHTER SHARE THEIR PAINFUL STORY WITH CORRESPONDENT JEREMY DIAMOND FROM A JERUSALEM HOSPITAL.
>> 5-YEAR-OLD SHAM'S EYES ARE A PORTAL TO THE PAST SHE CANNOT FORGET.
THERE ARE THE STREETS AND HOMES SCARRED BY WAR.
THIS BUILDING WHERE SHE RECITED HER FINAL PRAYERS.
AND THEN THERE IS THE INDELIBLE SIGHT OF HER FATHER AND SISTER SHOT DEAD BEFORE HER EYES.
SHAM'S MOTHER, SANAA, WHO SUFFERED BURNS AS A CHILD, WILL NEVER FORGET THAT DAY.
BUT THERE'S MORE TO THEIR STORY THAN TRAGEDY AND LOSS IN WAR TORN GAZA.
SHAM AND SANAA'S STORY IS UNLIKE ANY OTHER WE HAVE COME ACROSS IN TEN MONTHS OF WAR.
THAT'S BECAUSE SANAA DOESN'T JUST ACCUSE ISRAELI TROOPS OF KILLING HER HUSBAND AND HER DAUGHTER.
AN ISRAELI SOLDIER MAY ALSO HAVE SAVED HER LIFE.
ON NOVEMBER 24th, THE WEEK LONG TRUCE BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS BEGINS.
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE BEGIN HEADING BACK TO THEIR HOMES IN NORTHERN GAZA.
SANAA AND HER FAMILY ARE AMONG THEM.
BUT AS THEY APPROACH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY LIVED, THEY FIND THEMSELVES WALKING ALONE, AND THEN SHOTS RING OUT.
>> HER HUSBAND SOON DECIDES TO CRAWL AWAY TO TRY TO FIND HELP, BUT MOMENTS LATER HE'S SHOT AGAIN, FATALLY.
SANAA LIES ON THE GROUND BLEEDING, CRADLING HER ELDEST DAUGHTER, YASMIN.
[ SPEAKING GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] >> AS A MOTHER, I MEAN YOU MUST HAVE FELT ABSOLUTELY HELPLESS IN THAT MOMENT.
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>> YASMEN SOON DIED IN HER MOTHER'S ARMS.
UNABLE TO MOVE UNTIL SHE FINALLY FINDS THE STRENGTH TO CRAWL DOWN THE STREET AND INTO THIS NEARBY HOME.
WE OBTAINED FOOTAGE FROM THAT HOUSE AFTER OUR FIRST INTERVIEW WITH SANAA.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SHE AND SHAM ARE SEEING IT.
AND SHAM BEGINS TO TELL MY COLLEAGUE WHAT HAPPENED TO HER.
>> AN EXPLOSION THEN ROCKS THE BATHROOM.
ISRAELI SOLDIERS ENTER THE HOUSE AND CALL OUT IN ARABIC.
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IS CAPTURED ON MUTED BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE PROVIDED BY THE ISRAELI MILITARY.
TWO SOLDIERS TREATING SANAA'S GUNSHOT WOUNDS.
[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] >> THE MEDICS SOON REALIZES HER CONDITION IS SERIOUS.
SHE NEEDS TO GET TO A HOSPITAL.
>> ISRAELI SOLDIERS CARRY SANAA OUT OF THE BUILDING ON A STRETCHER, HER HANDS CLUTCHING SHAM.
NOTHING ABOUT THIS FOOTAGE SHOULD BE EXTRAORDINARY.
MILITARIES MUST PROTECT AND CARE FOR WOUNDED CIVILIANS WHEN POSSIBLE UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW.
BUT IN THIS WAR THIS SIGHT IS EXCEEDINGLY RARE.
FOR 8 MONTHS SANAA AND SHAM HAVE LIVED IN THIS JERUSALEM HOSPITAL.
THEIR JOURNEY HERE WAS NO LESS TRAUMATIC.
INTERROGATION AND STRIP-SEARCHES CAME BEFORE TREATMENT AT AN ISRAELI HOSPITAL.
ISRAELI AUTHORITIES ARE NOW PLANNING TO SEND THEM BACK TO GAZA NEXT MONTH UNLESS ANOTHER COUNTRY TAKES THEM IN.
THE ISRAELI MILITARY FOR ITS PART TOLD CNN IN A STATEMENT THAT SANAA AND HER FAMILY WERE CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE.
THE IDF SAYS ITS SOLDIERS ISSUED VERBAL WARNINGS AFTER THE FAMILY STUMBLED UPON A CONCEALED MILITARY POSITION, DRAWING A MILITANT ATTACK.
THE FOUR PEOPLE WHO ENTERED IN THE AREA WERE CAUGHT IN THE INTENSE EXCHANGE OF FIRE BETWEEN THE TERRORISTS AND OUR TROOPS.
THE TROOPS DID NOT OPEN FIRE AT AT THEM.
[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE ].
>> I WONDER WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THAT ONE SOLDIER IF -- IF YOU COULD SEE HIM AGAIN.
[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] >> SANAA'S PAIN IS AS RAW AS EVER.
AND SEEING HER HOME AGAIN IN FOOTAGE FILMED THIS SPRING BRINGS A FLOOD OF EMOTION.
[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE ].
>> MUNDANE OBJECTS ARE TRANSFORMED INTO RELICS.
[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] >> AND SANAA IS TAKEN BACK IN TIME TO THE LIFE SHE WILL NEVER GET BACK.
>> AND JEREMY'S JOINING US NOW FROM TEL AVIV.
JEREMY, VERY, VERY POWERFUL STORY.
I WANT TO KNOW WHETHER THERE'S ANY UPDATE TO THE FACT YOU REPORT THE IDF SAYS THEY'RE GOING TO SEND HER BACK WITH HER DAUGHTER.
IS THAT REALLY POSSIBLE?
>> AS OF NOW ISRAELI AUTHORITIES ARE PLANNING TO SEND SANAA AND SHAM BACK TO GAZA AT SOME POINT EARLY NEXT MONTH.
BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IF A THIRD COUNTRY COMES IN AND SAYS THAT THEY WILL TAKE THEM IN, THEN THERE IS AN OPTION HERE FOR THEM TO NOT GO BACK TO GAZA.
AND I DO WANT TO STRESS WHAT THAT COULD MEAN IF THEY WERE SENT BACK TO GAZA.
I SPENT TO SHAM -- SORRY, I SPOKE WITH SANAA JUST IN THE LAST HOUR AND SHE TOLD ME SHE IS TERRIFIED OF GOING BACK TO GAZA, TERRIFIED OF WHAT LIFE WOULD BE LIKE IF SHE WERE LIVING WITH HER FAMILY WHO ARE CURRENTLY LIVING IN MAKESHIFT SHELTERS.
THEY'VE BEEN DISPLACED FOUR TIMES IN GAZA ALREADY SO FAR DURING THIS WAR.
BUT MOST OF ALL SHE IS TERRIFIED WHAT GOING BACK TO GAZA COULD MEAN FOR HER DAUGHTER, SHAM.
YOU KNOW, I FIRST MET SHAM FIVE MONTHS AGO AND THE GIRL THAT SHE IS NOW IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE GIRL SHE WAS FIVE MONTHS AGO.
SHE HAS OPENED UP SO MUCH MORE, AND HER MOTHER IS TERRIFIED SHOULD THEY GO BACK TO GAZA ALL OF THE PROGRESS THAT SHE HAS MADE SINCE THEN COULD EFFECTIVELY BE ERASED IN AN INSTANT.
>> IT IS INCREDIBLE HOW RESILIENT CHILDREN CAN BE GIVEN HALF THE CHANCE, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE BIGGER PICTURE IN TERMS OF A CEASE-FIRE FOR EVERYBODY'S SAKE, TRANSFER OF HOSTAGES AND PRISONERS.
THERE'S ALL SORTS OF LEAKING AS YOU KNOW AND REPORTING OF BLAMING AND FINGER POINTING AT THE NETANYAHU GOVERNMENT FOR NOT PUSHING THEME AHEAD EVEN WITHIN THE ISRAELI ESTABLISHMENT.
THERE ARE CRITICISMS OF THE WAY THIS IS GOING.
AND EVEN EGYPT HAS BEEN LEAKING THAT THEY DON'T THINK THE ISRAELIS WANT A CEASE-FIRE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING ON?
HOW MUCH DO YOU -- HOW MUCH STORE DO YOU SET BY WHAT THE AMERICANS ARE SAYING IT'S SO CLOSE?
>> IT IS SO HARD TO KNOW WHO OR WHAT INFORMATION TO BELIEVE AT THIS STAGE, AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO JUST KEEP AN OPEN MIND ABOUT VARIOUS DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES.
THERE'S NO QUESTION, THOUGH, IT VERY MUCH SEEMS THE AMERICANS ARE THE MOST KIND OF OPTIMISTIC, THE MOST GUNG HO ABOUT THIS CURRENT PROCESS, AND AT TIMES IT DOES FEEL THEY'RE ALMOST TRYING TO WILL THIS CEASE-FIRE AGREEMENT INTO EXISTENCE.
YESTERDAY WE HEARD THE SECRETARY OF STATE, ANTONY BLINKEN, SAYING THAT ISRAEL HAS ACCEPTED THIS BRIDGING PROPOSAL, WHICH IS INTENDED TO BRIDGE THE GAPS BETWEEN THE ISRAELI POSITION AND THE HAMAS POSITION.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE STILL HEARING DOUBTS IN THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT ABOUT ISRAEL'S FULL COMMITMENT TO THIS CURRENT VERSION OF THE CEASE-FIRE PROPOSAL.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT HUHAAS IS SAYING THIBELIEVE THIS BRIDGING PROPOSAL IS EFFECTIVELY CAVING TO A SERIES OF DEMANDS WHICH THEY VIEW AS TOTAL NONSTARTERS.
SO RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE HOW A DEAL COULD COME TOGETHER THIS WEEK, WHICH IS WHAT THE UNITED STATES HAS SAID THEIR GOAL IS, BUT IT IS CLEAR THAT AT LEAST NEGOTIATIONS ARE CONTINUING.
AND WE EXPECT THE SECRETARY OF STATE, ANTONY BLINKEN, AS HE ARRIVES IN DOHA QATAR, TO GET A BETTER SENSE FROM THE QATARIS WHO ARE ARE THE KEY INTERLOCKTERES WITH HAMAS ABOUT WHERE THEIR HEADS ARE BEHIND THE SCENES.
THESE NEGOTIATIONS CERTAINLY CONTINUING.
VERY HARD TO SEE WHERE THEY GO FROM HERE.
>> IN THE MEANTIME WE'VE REPORTED -- WE'VE REPEATED WHAT'S BEEN REPORTED AND THAT IS THE REMAINS OF SIX ISRAELI HOSTAGES HAVE BEEN RETRIEVE.
WHAT ARE THE FAMILIES SAYING ABOUT THIS CONSTANT AND CONTINUED LACK OF A FULL RESOLUTION TO THEIR TERRIBLE DILEMMA?
>> WELL, THE RECOVERY OF THE SIX BODIES OF HOSTAGES TODAY IS JUST A REMINDER THAT TIME IS RUNNING OUT.
AND THAT IS THE FOCUS THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM SO MANY FAMILY MEMBERS OF THOSE WHOSE BODIES WERE RECOVERED IN GAZA TODAY.
YOU KNOW, FOR THEM THIS IS KIND OF A BITTERSWEET DAY.
IT GIVES THEM SOME SENSE OF CLOSURE IN PARTICULAR THOSE WHO ALREADY KNEW THAT THEIR LOVED ONES WERE DEAD AND THEIR BODY IS BEING HELD INSIDE GAZA.
BUT FOR OTHERS IT IS SIMPLY A REMINDER OF THE FACT IT DIDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE THIS WAY.
WE HEARD EVEN FROM LITTLE OHAD MUNDER, THE GRANDSON OF AVRAHAM MUNDER WHOSE BODY WAS RECOVERED BEFORE AND THIS LITTLE BOY IS WISE BEYOND HIS YEARS.
AND HE AND OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS OF HOSTAGES RECOGNIZE THERE WAS OPPORTUNITY BEFORE AND THERE IS CERTAINLY OPPORTUNITY ONCE AGAIN TODAY.
THE QUESTION IS IS THE POLITICAL WILL THERE ON BOTH SIDES TO SEIZE THE OPPORTUNITY?
>> JEREMY DIAMOND, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>>> NOW, AS OF COURSE AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING THE ISRAEL-GAZA WAR HAS MADE ITS WAY TO THE NATIONAL CONVENTION IN CHICAGO WITH PROTESTERS GATHERED OUTSIDE.
WHILE INSIDE A PANEL AS WE HEARD FOCUSED ON PALESTINIAN HUMAN RIGHTS, WHICH BROUGHT THE TOPIC TO THE DNC FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME.
AMONG THE SPEAKERS, MY NEXT GUEST, DR. TANYA HAJ-HASSAN, MOVING MANY IN THE CROWD TO TEARS AS SHE DESCRIBED WHAT SHE'D SEEN INSIDE GAZA WHEN SHE WORKED THERE AS A MEDIC IN MARCH.
DR. HAJ HAASON WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
WE HEARD FROM MALORY McMORROW WHO WAS QUITE MOVED AND WENT TO LENGTHS TO TELL US ABOUT THIS PANEL.
TELL ME ABOUT THE PANEL YOU TOOK PART IN.
WHAT WAS IT DESIGNED TO DO?
WERE YOU SATISFIED WITH WHAT YOU WERE ABLE TO DO DURING THAT PANEL?
>> THANKS, CHRISTIANE.
SO I'M HERE AMONGST MULTIPLE AMERICAN DOCTORS AND PHYSICIANS WHO HAVE ALL COME FOR THE SAME PURPOSE.
IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW A SINGLE PHYSICIAN OR SURGEN OR HEALTH CARE WORKER WHO'S BEEN TO GAZA IN THE PAST TEN MONTHS THAT DOESN'T COME BACK WITH THE SAME VERY URGENT MESSAGE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TRAINED TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE HUMAN LIFE, BUT THE ISRAELI MILITARY CAMPAIGN IS TARGETING LIFE AND EVERYTHING NEEDED TO SUSTAIN IT IN GAZA, AND THAT RENDERS OUR WORK AS PHYSICIANS IMPOSSIBLE.
THIS MORNING I'M HERE WITH A NUMBER OF AMERICAN DOCTORS, SURGEONS WHO JUST HELD A PRESS CONFERENCE HERE AT THE McCORMICK CENTER IN CHICAGO.
I HAD CONTACTED A FEW OF THEM A COUPLE WEEKS AGO SAYING THAT WE WANTED TO COME AND SPEAK AT THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION TO TRY AND SEE IF WE CAN PRESSURE THE U.S. TO TAKE A DIFFERENT POSITION TO FINALLY PUT DOWN AN ARMS EMBARGO OR -- AND PRESSURE AN END TO THIS MILITARY CAMPAIGN.
AND THE OVERWHELMING RESPONSE FROM EVERY SINGLE PERSON I CONTACTED WAS, YES, ABSOLUTELY, WE'RE COMING.
YOU KNOW, I WORKED FOR DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS.
AND IN THE RWANDAN GENOCIDE, THEY SAID GENOCIDE CALLS FOR A RADICAL IMMEDIATE RESPONSE.
DOCTORS CANNOT STOP GENOCIDE.
AND I THINK A LOT OF US FEEL THE SAME WAY.
WE ARE SO HORRIFIED BY WHAT WE WITNESS, IT HAUNTS US IN OUR DREAMS.
DR. MARK, A JEWISH-AMERICAN SURGEON WHO WAS THERE SENT A MESSAGE FOR US TO DELIVER TODAY.
UNFORTUNATELY, HE COULDN'T BE HERE FOR WORK OBLIGATIONS.
BUT HE SAID PARENTS COME TO HIM IN HIS DREAMS AND STARE AT HIM WONDERING WHY HE DIDN'T DO MORE TO STOP THEIR CHILDREN FROM BEING KILLED.
AND I CANNOT COUNT THE NUMBER OF CHIRP, CHRISTIANE THAT DIED UNDER MY CARE IN GAZA FROM U.S.-MADE BOMBS FALLING ON THEIR HOMES, ON THE PLACES THEY HAVE BEEN DISPLACED TO MULTIPLE TIMES.
I THINK THE PURPOSE -- THE REASON I WAS HERE AND THE REASON MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TURNED UP IS BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LIVE WITH OURSELVES IF WE THOUGHT WE HADN'T DONE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO STOP THIS.
>> AND DOCTOR, DO YOU FEEL -- YOU'VE SENT IN PICTURES AND WE'VE SEEN -- AND WE'VE HEARD REPORTS FROM OUR CORRESPONDENTS THROUGHOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, TERRIBLE TEN MONTHS ABOUT WHAT'S UNFOLDING IN GAZA.
EVEN THOUGH INTERNATIONAL REPORTERS CANNOT GET IN, I MEAN THERE ARE REALLY HEROIC PALESTINIANS WHO ARE WORKING WITH OUR INTERNATIONAL COLLEAGUES TO GET THIS STORY OUT.
DO YOU FEEL THAT WHAT YOU SAID AND THE WAY THE PANEL WAS RECEIVED MADE ANY INROADS?
BECAUSE IT SEEMS FROM WHERE WE SIT THERE'S LITERALLY NO CHANCE IN HELL THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ARMS EMBARGO OR ANYTHING ON ISRAEL.
>> CHRISTIANE, I WISH I COULD CONTRADICT YOU, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M A RATIONAL PERSON.
AND I HAVE BEEN COMING ON THE NEWS FOR TEN MONTHS REPEATING THE SAME MESSAGES OF URGENCY OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND I HAVEN'T SEEN SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE AMERICAN POSITION ON THIS.
YOU KNOW, FOR THE ONGOING AND UNCONDITIONAL U.S. MILITARY SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL IN THIS MILITARY CAMPAIGN IT'S -- IT STARKLY CONTRASTS WITH DOCUMENTED REALITIES ON THE GROUND, WITH WHAT ME AND MY COLLEAGUES HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED, WHAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON I KNOW WHO HAS BEEN TO GAZA IN THE LAST TEN MONTHS HAS COME OUT SAYING, WHAT THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE IS CALLING FINDINGS INDICATING ITS PLAUSIBLE GENOCIDE.
WITH THE REPEATED GLOBAL CONDEMNATION FROM EVERY HUMAN RIGHTS AND HUMANITARIAN ORGANIZATION.
SO I WANT TO CONTRADICT YOU AND SAY THAT THE FACT THAT THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE HERE DELIVERING THE SAME MESSAGE, THE FACT THAT IN ESSENCE THE U.S. IS BREAKING ITS OWN LAWS AND INTERNATIONAL LAW BY CONTINUING TO FUND THIS, THAT THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE POSITION.
I HOPE IT WILL.
HISTORY IS WATCHING US, AND I KNOW I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LIVE WITH MYSELF IF I WERE IN THE POSITION OF THESE DECISION MAKERS AND CONTINUED TO FUND THIS.
>> THERE ARE PICTURES WE'VE JUST SHOWN ARE SOME OF THE ONES YOU'VE SENT FROM YOUR TIME FROM THE HOSPITAL THERE IN MARCH.
THERE ARE ACCORDING TO THE GAZA AUTHORITIES MORE THAN 40,000 NOW IS THE DEATH TOLL.
WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY ARE CIVILIANS AND HOW MANY ARE MILITANTS, BUT CERTAINLY WE SEE THE IMAGES OF CIVILIANS WHO ARE MOST DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, KILLED AND WOUNDED IN THIS.
WHAT -- WHAT GIVES YOU HOPE?
IS IT THE PROTEST OUTSIDE?
IS IT THE UNCOMMITTED MOVEMENT IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, WHICH SENT A CLEAR SIGNAL DURING THE PRIMARIES AND CONTINUES TO SEND IT?
THERE ARE DELEGATES OF UNCOMMITTED -- THIS UNCOMMITTED GROUP IN TERMS OF THEIR PROTESTS THERE IN CHICAGO.
WHAT GIVES YOU HOPE?
>> SO, CHRISTIANE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
JUST GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID, THERE ARE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED.
SO MANY OF THOSE CHILDREN.
I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEATH TOLL IN GAZA, IT REFLECTS THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE POPULATION.
IT TELLS YOU HOW INDISCRIMINATE THESE ATTACKS HAVE BEEN.
THIS MILITARY ASSAULT HAS BROKEN ALL THE WORSE TYPES OF RECORDS.
HIGHEST NUMBER OF HUMANITARIAN WORKERS KILLED.
RECORD NUMBER OF JOURNALISTS KILLED.
RECORD NUMBERS OF HEALTH CARE WORKERS KILLED.
OVER 500 HEALTH CARE WORKERS IN GAZA KILLED TO DATE INCLUDING MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES, PEOPLE WHO I KNEW PERSONALLY.
AND THIS ISN'T EVEN MENTIONING ALL THE HEALTH CARE WORKERS WHO HAVE BEEN DETAINED, TORTURED.
WE'RE HEARING REPORTS OF PHYSICAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL, AND SEXUAL TORTURE.
I SPOKE TO A FEW OF THEM WHO HAVE BEEN RELEASED BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO CRIME TO BE HELD FOR, AND THEY DESCRIBE THE WORST KINDS OF ABUSE.
WHAT GIVES ME HOPE I THINK -- I SPOKE WITH ONE OF MY GAZAN COLLEAGUES YESTERDAY ON THE PHONE.
HE'S A PAIN AND REHABILITATION DOCTOR WHO'S AN OXFORD GRADUATE LIKE MYSELF.
I KNEW HIM IN OXFORD, AND I'VE ALSO SEEN HIM MULTIPLE TIMES IN GAZA ON MY VISITS THERE, AND HE HAD SOME VERY SAD MESSAGES TO SHARE INCLUDING SOME -- I ASKED HIM IF THERE'S ANYTHING HE WANTED ME TO SHARE.
AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, TELL THEM THAT CHILDREN AROUND ME ARE WISHING FOR DEATH BECAUSE THEY WOULD RATHER DIE THAN GO ON LIVING.
>> WE'VE HEARD THAT.
>> IN THESE UNLIVABLE CIRCUMSTANCES.
>> EACH TIME I HEAR THAT FROM SOMEBODY LIKE YOURSELF AND SOMEBODY WHO'S ON THE GROUND, IT IS VERY SHOCKING TO HEAR CHILDREN WHO SAY THAT.
AND I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
YOU WERE THERE FOR I DON'T KNOW A MONTH OR SO IN A SPECIFIC HOSPITAL IN GAZA IN MARCH.
THE WAR WAS RAGING.
THE ISRAELIS SAY THAT THEY FOLLOW THE LAWS OF WAR AND THEY DO THEIR BEST TO AVOID CIVILIAN CASUALTIES.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE THAT LEADS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT IS CASE?
>> CHRISTIANE, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I SAW AND THEN I'LL LET YOU AND YOUR VIEWERS CONCLUDE WHAT YOU MAY.
THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IS FILLED WITH FAMILIES.
I -- I'M A PEDIATRIC INTENSIVE CARE DOCTOR.
MY SUBSPECIALTY -- MY SPECIALTY IS CHILDREN.
MY SUBSPECIALTY IS CHILDREN WHO ARE CRITICALLY UNWELL OR ILL OR INJURED.
AND I WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT.
I WAS RUNNING AROUND ALL OVER THE PLACE.
THEY KEPT ON CALLING ME BECAUSE IN EVERY CORNER OF THE RESUSCITATION BAY THERE WERE CHILDREN FIGHTING FOR THEIR LIFE.
AND I -- THAT IN AND OF ITSELF TELLS YOU HOW LITTLE TO NOTHING IS BEING DONE TO PRESERVE CIVILIAN LIFE.
IT'S -- THE FAMILIES THAT I SPOKE TO ARE LIVING IN APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
THEY'RE LIVING IN TENTS.
I HAD A PATIENT WHO WAS BULLDOZED IN HER TENT AND CRUSHED AND DIED.
I HAVE A WOMAN IN THE ICU WHO CAME TO VISIT HER 6-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER WHO HAD SEVERE BRAIN DAMAGE FROM THE MISSILE THAT FELL ON HER HOME.
SHE SAID SHE WAS JUST IN THE MIDDLE OF PRAYER WHEN IT HAPPENED.
HER HUSBAND WORKS AT A DAIRY FACTORY, AND HER INFANT CHILD WAS KILLED IN THE SAME ATTACK.
A PREGNANT WOMAN WHEELED IN SEVEN DAYS POSTPARTUM SPEECHLESS, JUST STARING VACANTLY.
HER HUSBAND WITH HER TELLING ME SHE DELIVERED SEVEN DAYS AGO AND THAT THE BABY SHE DELIVERED IS SOMEWHERE TRAPPED UNDER THE RUBBLE.
I WAS TURNING LEFT, RIGHT, AND CENTER AMONGST ENTIRE FAMILIES WHO -- WHOSE LIVES HAVE BEEN DESTROYED IN A SINGLE SECOND.
SO TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS BEING DONE TO PROTECT CIVILIAN LIVES, I MEAN -- >> YES, DOCTOR, I HEAR YOU.
>> -- I THINK YOUR VIEWERS ARE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN THAT.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, INDEED, FOR JOINING US.
DR. TANYA HAJ-HASSAN.
FOR THEIR PART DONALD TRUMP AND J.D.
VANCE ARE CAMPAIGNING IN SWING STATES THIS WEEK.
THEY'RE ALSO EYEING SILICON VALLEY WHERE SOME OF THE WEALTHIEST AND POWERFUL TECH TITANS ARE LINING UP BEHIND TRUMP.
ONCE A STRONG HOLD OF LIBERAL IDEAS THE CENTER OF U.S.
INNOVATION IS DRIFTING TO THE RIGHT, BUT OUR NEXT GUEST IS URGING HIS PEERS TO RETHINK.
MICHAEL MORITZ, SENIOR AT VISOR AT SEQUOIA HERITAGE JOINS WALTER ISAACSON TO EXPLAIN WHY.
>> THANK YOU CHRISTIANE.
AND MICHAEL MORITZ, WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
>> NICE TO SEE YOU, WALTER.
>> FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS YOU'VE BEEN A TITAN IN THE SILICON VALLEY ENTREPRENEURIAL TECH WORLD.
AND LIKE MOST PEOPLE YOU'VE BEEN A D.C., STILL ARE AND SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATS.
BUT THIS YEAR A SURPRISING NUMBER OF PEOPLE, I THINK, IN YOUR WORLD, IN SILICON VALLEY AND THE ENTREPRENEURIAL WORLD ARE BACKING DONALD TRUMP.
PETER TEAL, ELON MUSK, BEN HAROWITS, DAVID SACHS.
IS THIS A MAJOR CHANGE AND IF SO WHY?
>> YOU'VE COUNTED SIX PEOPLE ALSO IN SILICON VALLEY.
AND SILICON VALLEY BEING THIS STRETCH OF LAND THAT STRETCHES FROM SAN FRANCISCO TO SAN JOSE.
AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPORTING TRUMP, SUPPORTING THE REPUBLICANS, THE SURPRISING THING ABOUT IT IS HOW SMALL A NUMBER IT IS, BUT HOW LARGE THE VOLUME OF -- THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO GENERATE BECAUSE OF THEIR VARYING AND CLEVER COMMANDS OF DIFFERENT COMMUNICATION CHANNELS, IN PARTICULAR TWITTER AND ALL THE REST OF IT.
SO I THINK THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO AMPLIFY THEIR VOICE AND THEIR SENTIMENTS FAR BEYOND THE REALITY OF THE PARTICULARS IN SILICON VALLEY, WHICH IS HEAVILY ANTI-TRUMP, AS IT HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST TWO ELECTIONS IN SILICON VALLEY IN BOTH 2016 AND 2020.
TRUMP BARELY MUSTERED 20% OF THE VOTE, AND IT'LL BE THE SAME RESULT THIS TIME.
>> BUT YOU TOOK UP ARMS IN A WAY IN A FINANCIAL TIMES PIECE IN WHICH YOU WROTE "TRUMP SUPPORTERS IN SILICON VALLEY ARE MAKING THE SAME MISTAKE.
ALL-POWERFUL PEOPLE WHO BACK AUTHORITARIANS."
WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT?
>> WELL, IT'S PERPLEXING TO ME WHY THESE VERY SMART, ABSURDLY WEALTHY, INCREDIBLY ACCOMPLISHED INDIVIDUALS HAVE BACKED TRUMP IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND I'M ALSO PERPLEXED BY THE FACT THAT I KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THEM WELL, BUT I KNOW THEM WELL ENOUGH TO IMAGINE THAT EACH OF THEM WOULD HAVE TROUBLE IMAGINING HAVING TRUMP AS PART OF ANY INVESTMENT SYNDICATE THAT THEY MIGHT ARRANGE AND ORGANIZE.
AND I CAN ONLY THINK THAT THEY THEY'RE DELUDING THEMSELVES INTO THINKING THAT THEY WILL HAVE INFLUENCE OVER TRUMP, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CONTROL HIS ACTIVITIES.
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CHANNEL HIM INTO THE PARTICULAR AREAS IN WHICH THEY HAVE AN INTEREST.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE MISTAKE THAT OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE BACKED AUTHORITARIANS, YOU KNOW, IN DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES OVER THE YEARS HAVE ALSO MADE.
AND I THINK THEY'RE DELUDING THEMSELVES.
>> BUT A LOT OF THEM MAKE THE POINT THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE ANTI-ENTREPRENEURIAL.
EVEN YOU HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT REGULATORY REGIMES.
IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE IN YOUR FIELD WHO ARE DOING STARTUPS AND TRYING TO TAKE RISK.
ARE YOU WORRIED THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS MOVED THAT WAY AND THUS CAUSED THIS BIT OF A REVOLT AGAINST THEM IN SILICON VALLEY?
>> I THINK IT'S VIA THE DEMOCRATS AND TO A LARGE EXTENT THE REPUBLICANS ALSO FOR DIFFERENT REASONS HAVE LOST TOUCH WITH THE REALITIES OF THINGS THAT CONCERN A WHOLE SLEW OF VOTERS.
AND BOTH PARTIES, I THINK, BEAR BLAME FOR NOT MANAGING FOR THE COMMON GOOD.
AND, LOOK, I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA.
AND I DESCRIBE MYSELF AS -- AS A SCHWARZENEGGER DEMOCRAT.
YOU KNOW, PRETTY LIBERAL ON SOCIAL ISSUES, REASONABLY CENTRIST OR CONSERVATIVE ON ECONOMIC ISSUES.
AND IF YOU LIVE IN CALIFORNIA AND YOU SEE WHAT DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS DONE IN CALIFORNIA, THERE ARE PLENTY OF REASONS TO COMPLAIN.
AND I CAN SYMPATHIZE WITH A LOT OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT PEOPLE LIKE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, WALTER, WHO ARE BACKING TRUMP HAVE ABOUT THE TILT OF POLITICS PARTICULARLY IN CALIFORNIA, WHICH HAS BECOME INCREASING -- STATES WHERE IT'S BECOMING INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT TO DO BUSINESS.
I THINK THERE IS REASON THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE GOOD REASONS FOR SOME OF THEIR COMPLAINTS.
BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE CHANNELLING THEIR FRUSTRATION TOWARDS THE WRONG INDIVIDUAL.
>> WELL, YOU'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE PROBLEMS IN CALIFORNIA BEING OVER-REGULATORY AND MOVING TO THE PROGRESSIVE LEFT.
WELL, KAMALA HARRIS, THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, SHE'S A PRODUCT OF SILICON VALLEY CALIFORNIA POLITICS.
THE D.A.
OF SAN FRANCISCO, ATTORNEY GENERAL OF CALIFORNIA.
YOU WATCHED HER OVER THE YEARS.
WHY DO YOU THINK SHE CAN PUSH BACK AGAINST SOME OF THESE TENDENCIES YOU FIND PROBLEMATIC?
>> I THINK ONE WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE SO.
I DON'T THINK SHE'S REALLY A PRODUCT OF SILICON VALLEY.
SHE'S MUCH MORE A PRODUCT OF SAN FRANCISCO.
AND -- >> THAT MAKES MY QUESTION EVEN STRONGER.
>> WELL, I THINK ON THE PROGRESSIVE FRONT I COMPLETELY AGREE.
I THINK ONE WOULD HOPE THAT BOTH PARTIES UNDERSTAND THAT THE DISENFRANCHISEMENT THAT TENS OF MILLIONS PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY FEEL WHETHER IT'S THESE ULTRAWEALTHY PEOPLE THAT ARE BACKING TRUMP OR THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL FORGOTTEN OR LEFT BEHIND, THEY ARE SENDING A VERY STRONG MESSAGE TO BOTH PARTIES, TO THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS, THAT YOU'VE FORGOTTEN US.
AND YOU'VE FORGOTTEN THE TOUCHSTONES.
YOU'VE FORGOTTEN THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO ECONOMIC MOBILITY AND BEING LEFT BEHIND AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAS CAUSED THIS WELLSPRING OF SUPPORT FOR TRUMP.
AND THEN WITH LOTS OF PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA NOW PROTESTING AT THE STATE LEVEL AND AT THE CITY LEVEL ABOUT THE FACT THAT PROGRESSIVE LEFT HAS MOVED BOTH IN CALIFORNIA, THE STATE, AND IN SAN FRANCISCO, THE CITY, INTO A DITCH THAT POLITICIANS ARE GOING TO GET THE MESSAGE INCLUDING THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE.
AND THAT'S CERTAINLY HAPPENING IN SAN FRANCISCO WHERE THE OPPOSITION TO ONE PARTY RULE IS AS STRONG AS IT'S BEEN IN 50 YEARS.
>> GIVEN WHAT YOU'VE JUST SAID ABOUT SAN FRANCISCO, DOESN'T THAT EXPLAIN SOME OF THE REBELLION OF PEOPLE IN THE ENTREPRENEURIAL AND TECH INDUSTRY AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY?
>> I THINK IT DOES.
I THINK THEY HAVE PLENTY OF REASONS TO IN CALIFORNIA, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS LARGELY A DEMOCRATIC STATE, OBVIOUSLY, TO HAVE LOTS OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE WAY IN WHICH THE STATE IS BEING GOVERNED.
AND THAT REFLECTS, OBVIOUSLY, ON THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WRIT LARGE.
BUT I THINK THE SORT OF DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEADERSHIP THAT'S BEEN -- OR THAT HAS OCCURRED IN SAN FRANCISCO OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS IS PART OF THE LEFT OF WHAT'S HAPPENED IN STATE POLITICS AND IN THE STATE CAPITOL IN SACRAMENTO.
>> YOU MADE SOME BIG NEWS ABOUT A MONTH AGO WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS STILL IN THE RACE, AND YOU SENT AN E-MAIL TO "THE NEW YORK TIMES" THAT SAYS "PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS A CHOICE.
VANITY OR VIRTUE?
HE CAN EITHER CONDEMN THE COUNTRY TO DARK AND CRUEL TIMES OR HEED THE VOICE OF FATHER TIME.
THE CLOCK HAS RUN OUT."
HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU THINK PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF ARE IN GETTING JOE BIDEN TO RECONSIDER RUNNING, AND WHY WERE YOU SO STRONG ABOUT THAT?
>> I -- I SUSPECT MY NOTE OR MY E-MAIL HAD ABOUT AS MUCH EFFECT AS A DROP OF RAIN IN A THUNDERSTORM.
BUT I THINK THERE WERE -- LOOK, THERE WERE, AS BOTH OF US KNOW AND AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, THERE WAS THE FACT -- HE WOKE UP TO THE FACT THAT HE WAS GOING TO EMBARK ON A WAR WITHOUT AN ARMY BEHIND HIM.
AND HE HAD FOUND THAT HIS GENERALS HAD GRADUALLY LEFT HIM AND LOST CONFIDENCE IN HIM.
AND THE RANK AND FILE OF DEMOCRATIC VOTERS HAD, AND HE'D BEEN HEARING THIS MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR FROM A VARIETY OF CONSTITUENTS INCLUDING INFLUENTIAL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, THE FORMER SPEAKERER OF THE HOUSE.
AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN SORT OF THE DONOR COMMUNITY WHO HAD SPOKEN OUT AND REGISTERED THEIR DISMAY AT THE PROSPECT OF HIM DESPITE ALL THE RESPECT THAT SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE FOR HIM, LEADING THE COUNTRY INTO -- OR LEADING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY INTO THIS ELECTION THIS YEAR AFTER THE FIASCO OF THE DEBATE.
>> WHERE ARE YOU DIRECTING YOUR FINANCIAL SUPPORT IN THIS ELECTION?
AND WHAT TYPE OF DONATIONS ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE?
>> IT'S IN TWO AREAS.
ONE IN SAN FRANCISCO, WHICH IS MY PRIME AREA OF ACTIVITY.
AND WE HAVE BIG RACES AT A LOCAL LEVEL IN SAN FRANCISCO THIS FALL.
WE'VE GOT A MAYOR'S RACE.
WE'VE GOT RACES FOR THE SUPERVISORS POSITIONS, WHICH IS THE EQUIVALENT OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME CHARGE OR REFORM INITIATIVES THAT I'M HEAVILY INVOLVED IN.
SO I'M INVOLVE IN SAN FRANCISCO HEAVILY IN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS.
AND THEN IN THE PRESIDENTIAL AREA, HARRIOT, MY WIFE AND HAVE BEEN DENOTING TO THE AMERICAN BRIDGE THAT IS ANCILLARY TO THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN BUT THAT HAS BEEN MASSIVELY EFFECTIVE PARTICULARLY IN 2020 AND 2022.
AND WE'VE BEEN DEEPLY IMPRESSED BY THE MANNER IN WHICH THEY CAN EXECUTE VERY NIMBLY AND EFFECTIVELY AS AN ADJUNCT TO THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS.
>> ARE YOU PERSONALLY A STRONG SUPPORTER OF KAMALA HARRIS?
>> YES.
>> HOW DO YOU THINK THAT KAMALA HARRIS SHOULD CAMPAIGN?
AND ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT HER BEING PERCEIVED AS PART OF THAT PROGRESSIVENESS THAT TOOK PLACE -- TOOK PEOPLE INTO A DITCH?
>> SHE WILL UNDOUBTEDLY -- THE TRUMP-VANCE CAMPAIGN WILL UNDOUBTEDLY TRY AND TIE HER TO SAN FRANCISCO MUCH AS IF GOVERNOR NEWSOM HAD BEEN THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE THEY WOULD HAVE TIED HIM AS THE FORMER MAYOR TO SAN FRANCISCO.
BUT I'M -- SHE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT SHE HAS GAINED A LOT OF EXPERIENCE BOTH IN HER ROLE IN THE STATE IN SACRAMENTO AND THEN AS IN THE SENATORIAL SEAT FOR THE COUNTRY, WHERE SHE IS AND HAS -- I ASSUME -- WIN LEARNING TO GOVERN FOR THE COMMON GOOD, WHICH MEANS MOVING TO A MUCH MORE CENTRIST LINE OF -- CENTRIST SET OF POLICIES AND METHOD OF GOVERNMENT.
>> YOU WERE A LONG TIME BOARD MEMBER OF GOOGLE.
I THINK YOU WERE ONE OF THE EARLY INVESTS, FOR WHICH CONGRATULATIONS.
BUT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT JUST WON A MAJOR RULING AGAINST GOOGLE AS ANTI-TRUST.
DO YOU THINK THAT THAT'S RIGHT TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO BE PUSHING THESE THINGS?
AND WOULD YOU HOPE THAT KAMALA HARRIS AND OTHERS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS AGGRESSIVE IN ANTI-TRUST ENFORCEMENT?
>> POLITICIANS, THIS GOES BACK TO THE DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS, I THINK.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE OVER-MIGHTY CITIZENS WHETHER THEY'RE DUKES AND MASSIVE LANDOWNERS IN MASSIVE ENGLAND OR POWERFUL CORPORATIONS IN AMERICA TODAY.
WHETHER IT'S AMAZON OR MICROSOFT OR FACEBOOK OR GOOGLE, POLITICIANS GET UNHAPPY WITH ANY ENTITY THAT THEY DON'T FEEL THAT THEY CAN CONTROL.
YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE EU AS WELL, TARGETING THE SAME COMPANIES.
YOU SEE IT IN CHINA WITH XI JINPING MOVING AGAINST THE LARGEST COMPANIES.
POLITICIANS AROUND THE WORLD ARE UNIVERSAL IN THEIR SKEPTICISM ABOUT COMPANIES THAT THEY CAN'T CONTROL, AND WE'VE SEEN IT BEFORE HERE.
WE'VE SEEN IT WITH IBM.
WE'VE SEEN IT AT&T.
I THINK THE GOOGLE BAFFLE WILL BE THIS ISN'T -- YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A COURT RULING, OBVIOUSLY.
BUT THE REMEDIES ARE GOING TO TAKE SEVERAL YEARS TO WORK OUT.
AND I WOULD HOPE THAT KAMALA HARRIS AND OTHERS COME TO RECOGNIZE ALSO THAT THESE COMPANIES HAVE LED THE WORLD INTO THE FUTURE AND GIVEN US BILLIONS OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD SERVICES THAT WE COULDN'T IMAGINE WOULD HAVE EXISTED 40 OR 50 YEARS AGO.
>> MICHAEL MORITZ, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
>> THANKS.
>> AND FINALLY TONIGHT PRIDE AND PARADE ON THE STREETS OF NEPAL.
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