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BARBARA RES, FORMER EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, TRUMP ORGANIZATION: He did not know — I don’t think he’s even convinced as of yet that the power of the Congress is equal to the power of the president. And because of that, I think he thought he could ride over Pelosi and the Congress and I thought — I think he thought he could ride over her because she was a woman. So, he made those two mistakes and they came back to haunt him.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR: Before I ask Congressman Mia Love, you know, you say because she was woman. But I mean, I’m talking to you, you were promoted to the top, top ranks of this organization, you became vice president of the organization. He has been quoted as saying and you quote him as saying that, “One good woman is better than 10 men.” You know, what happened in the interim? How do we underestimate this strong woman?
RES: Well, because he basically believes that one good — many good women are as good as men but overall, men are better than women, and that was a promise of it, men are better than women but one good woman is better than 10 good men. And in his mind, he is superior to all women and — well, he superior to everyone but that sense, the fact that he promoted me and gave me a job and everything, I always knew my place when it came to him. I fought with him and, you know, spoke back to him and everything, which is not what they do now. But certainly, he always thought I’m smarter than Barbara. And I think that he did have a lot of strong women and prefer to have strong women because he did not feel there was a competition, that it was basically known that he was superior to them by nature of his gender. And so, where he had more weak people on the male side, his women were very strong and feisty and they stood up to everyone but not him.
AMANPOUR: It’s really fascinating. Congresswoman Mia Love, I know that Nancy Pelosi is not a member of your party, she’s not a house speaker. But how did you — you know, how did you take this sort of showdown?
MIA LOVE, FORMER U.S. HOUSE REPUBLICAN: Well, I can tell you that both sides actually gained some pretty big mistakes. And I can tell you the president, from the very beginning, when it comes to the campaign trail, saying that he was going to build a wall and Mexico was going to pay for it, I mean, that was certainly not the approach that he should have taken. He should have just gone in and talked about the importance of border security and started making his case for border security from that point on. You can see there are a lot of even Democrats that are supportive of border security, determining of what kind, how that’s done is completely different. The other mistake that he made was to sit down with Chuck Schumer and say, “Well, I will own this shutdown if you do not give me border security.” All of a sudden, myself and all of my other colleagues were like, “Whoa, wait a minute, what’s going on here? Nobody wants to own a shutdown.” So that was the other mistake he made. The last mistake that he made was to betray a lot of the GOP members that stood strong and talked about the importance of border security, didn’t vote for a bill that didn’t have anything that included the border wall or border security, and he still opened up government and allowed that to go without any concessions. And he also, I would say, betrayed the 800,000 people that went without a paycheck for absolutely nothing. Now, Nancy Pelosi, on the other hand, Speaker Pelosi has a couple of things that she has to look out for also. She has to make sure that she keeps the promises she made.
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Christiane Amanpour speaks with U.S. Sen. Bob Menendez about the state of Venezuela’s government; Venezuelan National Assembly Member Francisco Sucre about interim President Juan Guaido; and Barbara Res & Mia Love about the U.S. government shutdown. Walter Isaacson speaks with New York Times Columnist Andrew Ross Sorkin about why we’re overdue for a financial crisis.
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