Cindy McCain on Labor Trafficking and Veteran’s Rights

> CINDY McCAIN HAS BECOME A FIGUREHEAD IN THE FIGHT AGAINST HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND VETERANS RIGHTS.

AND ALTHOUGH SHE'S STILL GRIEVING FOR HER HUSBAND, THE LATE SENATOR JOHN McCAIN, SHE SAYS THE FIGHT MUST CONTINUE.

SHE SAT DOWN WITH US TO EXPLAIN.

IT'S BEEN LESS THAN A YEAR SINCE SENATOR McCAIN PASSED, AND I KNOW GRIEF IS A PROCESS.

WHERE ARE YOU NOW?

I'M BETTER.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS -- IT'S MY JOB TO STAY STRONG FOR MY CHILDREN, AND THEY'RE AT VARIOUS STAGES AS WELL.

SO IT IS A PROCESS, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A HUMAN BEING, YOU JUST DO THE BEST YOU CAN.

YOU NEVER GET OVER IT, THOUGH.

BUT YOU LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT.

WHAT ARE THE HARD PARTS?

OH, JUST, I MEAN, EVERYTHING REMINDS ME OF HIM, AND PEOPLE REMIND ME OF HIM.

YOU KNOW, WE LOVED HIM.

THEY'LL STOP ME IN AN AIRPORT, STOP ME WHEREVER I MIGHT BE, AND THAT'S ALWAYS A REMINDER OF WHAT HE WAS AND WHAT WAS LOST.

LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE INITIATIVES THAT YOU'RE FOCUSED ON THROUGH THE McCAIN INSTITUTE.

HUMAN TRAFFICKING, WHY THAT TOPIC, AND WHAT ARE YOU WORKING ON?

WELL, THE INSTITUTE HAS MANY DIFFERENT ISSUES AS YOU KNOW.

BUT THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING ELEMENT WAS -- MY HUSBAND HAD -- WE CALLED IT OUR SIZE, AND IT'S NOT THAT WAY.

BUT HIS OBVIOUS INTEREST WAS NEXT-GENERATION LEADERS, HUMAN RIGHTS, FREEDOM OF THE PRESS, ET CETERA.

AND MY SIDE WAS THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING ELEMENT OF IT.

SO WHAT WE DO IS WE WORK NOT JUST ON SEX TRAFFICKING.

WE BEGAN DOMESTICALLY.

WE STARTED RIGHT IN ARIZONA AND EXPANDED.

WE'VE SINCE EXPANDED AND HELPED OR A PART OF MANY PROGRAMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

OUR LATEST ISSUE IS LABOR TRAFFICKING.

WE'VE BEGUN OUR STEP INTO LABOR TRAFFICKING.

WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST PROJECT GOING IN TEXAS WITH REGARDS TO THE FRUIT PICKERS AND, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT COME ACROSS EITHER ON A DAILY BASIS OR SLIP ACROSS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

AND THAT INCLUDES BEING ABLE NO NOT JUST CHARGE THE TRAFFICKERS MUCH HARDER THAN WE WERE, BUT TRAINING PROSECUTORS, MAKING SURE THAT THE WORKERS ARE BEING TREATED FAIRLY.

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MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE -- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CONSTANT, CONTINUING EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW THEIR RIGHTS AS WELL.

THE INTERNATIONAL LABOR ORGANIZATION ESTIMATES THAT THIS IS A $150 BILLION INDUSTRY, THAT THERE'S 40 MILLION PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD THAT ARE BEING TRAFFICKED.

FOR AMERICANS, HELP THEM UNDERSTAND HOW IS THIS HAPPENING IN THE UNITED STATES?

HOW ARE THEY PERHAPS EVEN CONTRIBUTING TO IT, NOT KNOWING?

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WELL, THE FIRST THING WE TELL BE OBSERVANT OF WHAT YOU'RE BUYING.

SO BUY THE PRODUCTS THAT YOU BELIEVE AND CAN POSSIBLY MAKE SURE, DETERMINE ARE FAIRLY PRODUCED AND THEIR WORKERS ARE TREATED HUMANELY IS THE KIND OF WORD THAT I WOULD USE.

AND THEN OF COURSE MAKING SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE THIS IS -- IT'S NOT JUST HAPPENING IN TEXAS.

IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

AND THESE LABOR TRAFFICKERS ARE NOT JUST FRUIT PICKERS.

THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT COULD BE WORKING IN A HOTEL.

THEY COULD BE WORKS A DOMESTIC HELPER.

THEY COULD BE -- THEY COULD BE ANYWHERE REALLY.

SO WHAT I TELL PEOPLE IS BE ALERT.

IF YOU SEE IT AND YOU'RE NOT SURE, THEN EDUCATE YOURSELF ON IT AND MAKE SURE AND BE A PART OF THIS.

BE A PART OF THIS WAVE THAT I THINK IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN HELPING TO STOP THIS.

BY THE WAY, THIS IS NOT AN IMMIGRATION ISSUE.

THIS IS A HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE.

IT'S A BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE, AND WE SOMETIMES GET CONFUSED.

OUR ISSUE GETS CONFUSED WITH IMMIGRATION, AND IT'S NOT.

HOW ARE PEOPLE TRAFFICKED?

WELL, WITHIN THE UNITED STATES, THESE ARE LOCAL GIRLS AND BOYS THAT ARE USUALLY ON THE EDGE.

THEY MAY HAVE BEEN IN FOSTER CARE.

THEY MAY HAVE BEEN HOMELESS, MAY HAVE RUN AWAY.

THEY WIND UP IN THE HANDS OF THESE PIMPS THAT, FOR INSTANCE, IN A GIRL'S CASE, THEY'LL REEL THEM IN AND SAY, YOU'RE BEAUTIFUL.

YOU LOOK SO LOVELY.

LET ME GET YOU A MODELING JOB KIND OF THING, AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW A LOT OF THIS STUFF STARTS.

BUT THEY ARE SYSTEMATICALLY MOVED AROUND THE COUNTRY.

YOU CAN ALMOST FOLLOW THE TRENDS TO IT.

IN FACT, YOU CAN FOLLOW THEM.

FOR INSTANCE, SUPER BOWL.

I'LL USE THAT AS THE FIRST PRIME EXAMPLE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE GOT STARTED.

YOU KNOW, HUGE EVENT, A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAPPEN, A LOT OF BAD THINGS HAPPEN.

TRAFFICKING IS ONE OF THEM.

LARGE EVENTS LIKE THAT, YOU'LL SEE THEM MOVE FROM MAYBE A SUPER BOWL TO A BIG CAR RACE OR TO A CONVENTION IN LAS VEGAS OR ALL THE WAY AROUND THE COUNTRY.

A LOT OF THIS IS DONE THINGS.

THEY'RE DOING MUCH BETTER.

NOW, IT'S NOT 100%, BUT IT'S A VERY GOOD ORGANIZATION.

WHAT IS IT ABOUT IT?

IS IT ABOUT TALKING TO OTHER PEOPLE, REALIZING YOU'RE NOT ALONE?

YEAH.

I THINK IT'S ABOUT TALKING.

I THINK IT'S ABOUT UNDERSTANDING.

I THINK IT'S ABOUT SOMEBODY CARING ENOUGH TO DO IT QUITE GIVING THEM THE TOOLS THAT THEY COULD MAYBE DO IT THEMSELVES LATER ON.

IT'S WONDERFUL TO WATCH THIS.

THEY TOOK ME FLY FISHING ONE YEAR.

I WAS UP THERE FOR A BOARD MEETING, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I WAS KIND OF CRANKY.

I SAID, I HAVE WORK TO DO, ET CETERA, AND IT WAS THE BEST THING THEY COULD HAVE DONE FOR ME.

THAT'S HOW I REALLY UNDERSTOOD HOW SUCCESSFUL THIS IS BECAUSE I SPENT A DAY, JUST A DAY, AND IT WAS LIFE-CHANGING FOR ME.

IT WAS GREAT.

YOUR HUSBAND ADMITTED THAT WHEN HE WAS A PRISONER OF WAR, THAT HE HAD THOUGHT ABOUT AND TRIED TO TAKE HIS OWN LIFE.

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AFTER HE CAME BACK, I MEAN HE HAD A STORIED CAREER, A WAR HERO, SORT OF LARGER THAN LIFE.

DID VETERANS APPROACH HIM BECAUSE OF KNOWING HIS HISTORY IN A WAY WHERE HE COULD CONNECT TO THEM, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING A LIT BIT OF THE PAIN THAT THEY MIGHT STILL BE FEELING?

YES.

VERY MUCH SO.

HE UNDERSTOOD AND, AS YOU KNOW, ADVOCATED FOR HELP FOR OUR VETERANS IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND I THINK, TOO, THEY FELT A CAMARADERIE WITH HIM BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT HE KNEW.

HE KNEW WHAT IT WAS LIKE.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE STRUCTURAL, VETERANS ARE FACING CONSIDERING WE'RE IN THESE WARS AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INFLUX OF VETERANS COMING HOME?

RIGHT.

I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES MY HUSBAND WORKED ON A GREAT DEAL WAS VETERANS CHOICE, GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET HEALTH CARE, INCLUDING MENTAL HEALTH CARE, WITHIN THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES, NOT HAVING TO GO TO THE V.A. TO GET IT.

THESE GUYS COME HOME, MEN AND WOMEN COME HOME, AND THEY WIND UP HOMELESS.

THEY WIND UP, YOU KNOW, ON DRUGS, WHATEVER -- YOU KNOW, ALL THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN.

AND OUR COMMUNITIES ARE JUST NOT EQUIPPED ENOUGH TO EITHER DEAL WITH THEM OR CAN'T DEAL WITH THEM IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

AND IT'S UP TO US AS AMERICANS TO MAKE SURE THESE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN ARE CARED FOR.

SO VETERANS CHOICE IS ONE THAT WOULD BE A HUGE BENEFIT FOR THIS, AND JUST OUR COMMUNITIES GETTING TOGETHER AND SUPPLYING MORE BEDS AND MORE SHELTERS FOR THESE GUYS THAT WIND UP ON THE STREETS ESPECIALLY.

YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE STILL IN A PROCESS OF GRIEVING.

RECENTLY THE PRESIDENT TOOK HIS LEGACY TO TASK AGAIN.

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WHAT DID THAT DO TO YOU?

WELL, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I'M SORRY THAT IT HAPPENED.

BUT, LISTEN, OUR FAMILY IS SO STRONG THAT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE TO US.

I THINK MY DAUGHTER HANDLED IT VERY WELL, AND AS FAR AS THE REST OF THE FAMILY, WE JUST GO ON WITH OUR LIVES.

WE KNOW WHO JOHN WAS, AND WE KNOW WHAT OUR LIFE WAS AND IS WITH HIM.

YOU RECEIVED SOME REALLY HATEFUL MESSAGES, AND YOU CHOSE TO TAKE ONE OF THEM AND TWEET IT OUT.

WHY?

WHY DO THAT?

WELL, IT WASN'T SO MUCH ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WHITE HOUSE, ET CETERA, BUT IT WAS ABOUT THE ABSOLUTE LACK OF CIVILITY IN A PUBLIC FORUM IN ANY WAY.

THE ANONYMITY THAT SOCIAL MEDIA HAS GIVEN HAS PROPELLED, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TO SAY SOME HORRIBLE THINGS, NOT JUST TO ME, I MEAN TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

AND SOMEHOW THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.

AND I JUST FELT THAT THAT ONE -- IT WAS SO BAD.

I MEAN I GET THEM EVERY DAY, BUT THAT ONE WAS SO BAD, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO WE'RE HEARING THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THE WOMAN WHO SENT YOU THAT HORRIBLE MESSAGE.

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THAT SHE COULD HAVE BEEN HACKED, THAT THIS COULD BE PART OF SOMETHING BIGGER JUST TO TRY TO GET US TO HATE EACH OTHER.

THAT, TO ME, IS JUST HORRIBLE IF THAT'S TRUE.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE CONFIRMATION ON IT YET.

BUT IT'S HORRIBLE IF THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE LEVEL OF DISCORD THAT'S OCCURRING RIGHT NOW, AND SOMEONE WOULD GO THAT FAR PERHAPS TO INSTILL THIS KIND OF HATRED, IT HAS TO STOP.

I PLACE NOT BLAME, BUT I PLACE RESPONSIBILITY ON SOME OF THESE OUTLETS TO MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON AND HELP ALL OF US WHO ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

BUT WE NEED HELP.

I MEAN I CAN'T -- I STILL GET THE STUFF ON TWITTER, NOT LIKE THAT, BUT I STILL GET IT.

YOU KNOW, THE SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES ARE GOING TO SAY, LISTEN, WE'VE BUILT THESE TOOLS THAT ACTUALLY HELP DEMOCRACY, SOMETHING YOU CARE ABOUT.

IF IT WASN'T FOR US, THERE WOULDN'T BE THESE PROTESTS AND UPRISING AGAINST DICTATORIAL REGIMES.

WHAT SHOULD THEY BE ABLE TO DO?

THERE HAS TO BE A STANDARD, THOUGH.

TALKING ABOUT AN UPRISING OR TALKING ABOUT POLITICAL DEMOCRACY OR WHATEVER MAYBE IS ONE ISSUE.

BUT ROLLING OVER AND WHAT THAT TWEET OR THAT MESSAGE WAS ALL ABOUT, THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE IN MY IDEA.

AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO -- OUR FACEBOOKS AND OUR TWITTERS HAVE TO BE SOMEWHAT RESPONSIBLE.

THEY HAVE TO HELP US IN THIS.

WHAT ABOUT THE FRIENDS OF SENATOR McCAIN WHO ARE SILENT IN THE FACE OF THIS?

I MEAN THEY SEEM TOO SCARED TO CHALLENGE THE PRESIDENT FOR THEIR OWN POLITICAL CAREERS.

WELL, I THINK WHATEVER THEIR DECISION IS, IS THERE DECISION ON ANY OF THIS.

THE IMPORTANT PART IS THAT THE COUNTRY KNOWS WHO JOHN McCAIN WAS AND THE COUNTRY BELIEVED IN HIM AND LOVED HIM THE WAY WE DO.

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AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED PRAISE OR WE DON'T NEED, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS OUR FAMILY GOES, WE DON'T NEED ANY HELP.

BUT WE WELCOME ANY THAT COMES SO --

LINDSEY GRAHAM, SOMEBODY WHO CONSIDERED HIMSELF A FRIEND TO JOHN McCAIN, EVEN THROUGHOUT THE EULOGY, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL INSTANCES WHERE HE'S HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO POINT OUT THE RECORD OF THE LATE SENATOR AND DISPUTE SOME OF THESE CLAIMS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.

I MEAN THE PRESIDENT'S ATTACKED YOUR HUSBAND'S PATRIOTISM, THE LOYALTY OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, AND LINDSEY GRAHAM, HIS RESPONSES ARE TEPID AT BEST.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH LINDSEY GRAHAM.

YOU'RE GOING TO AFRICA SOON WITH HIM, RIGHT?

LINDSEY'S A GOOD FRIEND.

HE WAS LITERALLY LIKE A SON TO MY HUSBAND.

YOU KNOW, THESE ARE LINDSEY'S DECISIONS.

I DON'T DISLIKE HIM FOR ANY OF IT.

I LOVE HIM AND WILL ALWAYS LOVE HIM.

HE'S A PART OF OUR FAMILY.

SO, YOU KNOW, LIFE GOES ON, AND WHATEVER HE DECIDES TO DO, HE DECIDES TO DO.

IT'S HIS DECISION.

BUT LET ME SAY HE IS A GOOD FRIEND, AND LIKE I SAID, I LOVE HIM VERY MUCH.

YOU SAID BEFORE THAT YOU'RE A POLITICS IS CYCLICAL.

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BUT AT THIS POINT, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS WHO SELF-IDENTIFY SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT'S POLICIES.

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SO IT SEEMS TO ME A DIFFERENT PARTY THAN THE ONE THAT YOU AND JOHN SIGNED UP FOR.

IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND PLATFORM ARE TRULY NOW THE PARTY OF TRUMP, ARE YOU STILL A REPUBLICAN?

YES, I'M STILL A REPUBLICAN.

WITH THAT SAID, POLITICS IS VERY CYCLICAL.

WE USED TO DESCRIBE IT AS A PENDULUM.

YOU KNOW, THE PENDULUM GOES THIS WAY AND THEN IT SWINGS BACK.

THIS IS PART OF THE PENDULUM SWINGING.

I BELIEVE IN THE DECENCY AND HONESTY OF PEOPLE, REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT.

AND THIS WILL PASS.

THIS TOO WILL PASS AS JOHN WOULD HAVE SAID.

YOU AND VICKI KENNEDY, THE WIFE OF LATE TED KENNEDY ARE FRIENDS.

UNFORTUNATELY THE SAME DISEASE TO BOTH OF YOUR HUSBANDS.

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IT SEEMS LIKE THAT SORT OF A RELATIONSHIP IS INCREASINGLY RARE IN AMERICAN POLITICAL LIFE.

POLITICS SHOULD NEVER BE PERSONAL NO MATTER WHAT AREA YOU'RE IN, NO MATTER -- WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE LOCAL LEVEL, THE NATIONAL LEVEL, THE WORLDWIDE LEVEL.

IT'S NOT PERSONAL.

AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF LESSONS THAT MY HUSBAND WAS REALLY GOOD AT TEACHING PEOPLE AND MENTORING PEOPLE.

HE LOVED TO MENTOR ESPECIALLY SENATORS THAT CAME THROUGH AND HOUSE MEMBERS, TEACHING THEM AND SHOWING THEM THE RIGHT WAY TO WORK WITH THIS.

AND I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN AN ARENA THAT IT'S MAYBE A LITTLE MORE PERSONAL THAN IT SHOULD ZBLBE.

IT SEEMS LIKE PERSONAL IS WHAT'S REWARDED.

I DO THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE THE ULTIMATE JUDGE OF THIS TOO, AND THEY SPEAK THROUGH THE BALLOT BOX.

SO I THINK THOSE OF US THAT ARE ON THE SIDELINES, WE WILL SPEAK VERY LOUDLY ABOUT THIS AT THE BALLOT BOX.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN 2020.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU'RE FOCUSED ON IS FOSTERING DEMOCRACY AROUND THE WORLD.

YOU WERE RECENTLY IN UKRAINE.

WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?

UKRAINE WAS A COUNTRY THAT MY HUSBAND CARED VERY DEEPLY ABOUT AND WORKED VERY HARD TO NOT ONLY PROPOSE DEMOCRACY BUT HELP THE FLEDGLING DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY WORK.

FOR ME TO BE BACK AND SEE AN ELECTION THAT HE HAD TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE UPCOMING ELECTIONS, WHICH WE JUST SAW THE FIRST PART OF IT, FOR ME TO SEE IT AND HAVING HEARD ABOUT IT THROUGH HIM AND THEN SEE IT THROUGH OTHER PEOPLE'S EYES AND SEE HOW IMPACTFUL JOHN WAS TO THAT COUNTRY -- YOU KNOW, THEY NAMED A STREET AFTER HIM NOW?

IT'S AMAZING.

IT'S WONDERFUL.

DEMOCRACY WAS WHAT JOHN WAS ALL ABOUT, THE RIGHT TO BE FREE AND DETERMINE YOUR OWN DESTINY.

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AND IT'S COMING TO FRUITION IN UKRAINE.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WERE IN UKRAINE, I'M SURE YOU HEARD MORE ABOUT THIS.

BUT ARE THEY CONCERNED ABOUT RUSSIAN INFLUENCE IN THEIR ELECTIONS?

OH, VERY MUCH.

VERY MUCH SO.

THIS FIRST ROUND WAS VERY CLEAN.

THERE WAS NO DISCOURSE.

THERE WAS NO -- YOU KNOW, WE HAD BEEN HEARING THERE WERE GOING TO BE RIOTS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

NOTHING HAPPENED.

IT WAS ACTUALLY QUITE DULL, WHICH WAS GREAT.

IT WAS A GREAT THING.

THE SECOND ROUND, IS GOING TO BE TROUBLESOME, AND THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE RUSSIANS DOING ALL THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TOLD THEY DO AND ARE CONTINUING TO DO WITH REGARDS TO INFILTRATING AND MESSING WITH THE COUNT AND ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY COULD DO.

YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, FOSTERING DEMOCRACY, FIGHTING HUMAN TRAFFICKING, VETERANS CARE, RESTORING CIVILITY IN PUBLIC LIFE.

THESE ARE ALL SOUNDS LIKE PLANKS TO A CANDIDATE'S PLATFORM.

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ANY INTEREST IN RUNNING FOR OFFICE?

OH, ME?

OH, NO.

YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN -- I'VE BEEN AROUND THIS A LONG TIME.

I'M VERY HAPPY DOING WHAT I'M DOING.

LIKE I SAID, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I NEED TO BE DOING RIGHT NOW IS MAKING SURE MY FAMILY'S OKAY.

AND HOW ARE THEY DOING WITH THIS?

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE AT DIFFERENT STAGES WITH THIS.

IT'S -- AND JUST DAY BY DAY, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE IS OKAY.

IT'S DONE -- WE'RE SEVEN MONTHS OUT FROM JOHN'S DEATH NOW, AND IT'S NOT ANY EASIER, BUT I THINK IT'S GETTING EASIER TO LIVE WITH IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

YOU HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS OUR NEW REALITY, SO THAT'S BEEN A LITTLE -- A LITTLE CHALLENGING AT TIMES.

CINDY McCAIN, THANKS SO MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.