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WHEN DONALD TRUMP BECAME PRESIDENT, EVERYBODY WAS UNDERSTANDABLY ALARMED.
I ALWAYS SAID TO THEM, IT WOULD BE OKAY.
REPUBLICANS, ELECTED REPUBLICANS, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE.
THEY'LL BE GUARDRAILS ON THIS PRESIDENT.
MY FAITH IN THAT HAS BEEN ERODED OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, AND IT HAS CULMINATED IN THIS 126 CONGRESSMEN SIGNING ON TO THIS TEXAS LAWSUIT WHICH WAS JUST GOING TO THROW OUT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE'S VOTES.
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS ENTIRELY CAPTURED BY DONALD TRUMP.
A FULL 77% OF REPUBLICAN VOTERS DON'T BELIEVE THE ELECTION RESULTS.
SO THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT IS TRAGIC FOR DEMOCRACY.
IT IS REALLY UNDERMINING OUR FAITHFUL THERE IS BUY-IN NOW FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS, FROM ELECTED REPUBLICANS, FROM THE PARTY THAT I HAD LONG BELONGED TO.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE IN POWER ACTIVELY UNDERMINING THE ELECTION PROCESS, WHAT, THAT SENDS A TERRIBLE SIGNAL TO VOTERS AND IT IS THE REASON THERE'S SO LITTLE CONFIDENCE IN THESE ELECTION RESULTS.
SO MIKE BESCHLOSS, SIT BACK A LITTLE AND TAKE THE BIG PICTURE OF HISTORY.
HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS UNDERMINING OF CONFIDENCE?
WE READ THAT BACK IN THE, I GUESS THE 1960 ELECTION, THERE WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH DURING THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE PROCESS BETWEEN KENNEDY AND NIXON.
THIS BUY-IN THAT SARAH TALKS ABOUT BY THE AUTHORITIES, IN REPUBLICAN PARTIES OF DONALD TRUMP'S MISINFORMATION, DISINFORMATION, AND LIES, WALK US THROUGH THAT.
IT USED TO BE CONSERVATIVES WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT AMERICANS A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN THEIR INSTITUTIONS, RATHER THAN LYING ABOUT THEM AND TRYING ON UNDERMINE FAITH THAT A FREE ELECTION IS ACTUALLY A FREE ELECTION WITH REAL RESULTS.
AND WHAT SARAH MENTIONED IS TOTALLY RIGHT.
THAT WE'RE NOW IN ANOTHER UNIVERSE WHERE A MAJORITY ACCORDING TO THE POLLS OF REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP NOW BELIEVE THAT THE ELECTION HAS BEEN STOLEN FROM THEM, FROM HIM.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REALITY.
AND HE HAS BEEN MAKING A BIG EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY BELIEVE THIS AND ALSO, TO TRY TO IN FACT, TAKE AN ELECTION THAT HE DID NOT WIN.
FOR INSTANCE, TODAY, YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT IN SAYING THAT THESE MEETINGS IN THE 50 STATES OF ELECTORAL COLLEGE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTORS, IT IS USUALLY SO UNEXCEPTIONAL THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN AWARE IT IS HAPPENING.
IN THIS CASE, THERE ARE DEATH THREATS AGAINST ELECTORS.
THERE ARE RUMOR THAT'S SOME ARE BEING THREATENED, THAT SOME ARE BEING BRIBED.
I HOPE NONE OF THAT HAPPENS.
I THINK IT IS UNLIKELY THAT IT WILL.
BUT ETERNAL VIGILANCE IS ALWAYS THE PRICE OF LIBERTY.
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Christiane speaks with political strategist Sarah Longwell and presidential historian Michael Beschloss. She also speaks with singer-songwriter Andrew Bird, who performs one of his songs. Hari speaks with Geoffrey Canada and Kwame Owusu-Kesse about how they’re providing low-income families with critical social and academic services during the pandemic.
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