June 16, 2022

> HELLO, EVERYONE.

HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP.

WE AT THE FED UNDERSTAND THE HARDSHIP THAT HIGH INFLATION IS CAUSING.

THE U.S. TRIES TO COOL DOWN A HOT ECONOMY.

NOW IS A RECESSION LOOMING?

I BREAK DOWN THE DATA WITH AN ECONOMIST.

IT'S HOW WE'RE WATCHING AND LIVING IT.

PUNCHED, PUSHED, KICKED AND SHOVED.

CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER SERGEANT GARNEL TALKS TO MICHELLE MART BUN THE JANUARY 6th HEARINGS AND HOW HE IS TRYING TO HEAL.

THEN FORCED TO FLEE.

THE INTERNATIONAL RESCUE COMMITTEE JOINS ME WITH AN URGENT PLEA TO HELP THE STAGGERING 100 MILLION PEOPLE UPROOTED FROM THEIR HOMES.

PLUS, A CHILLING WAVE OF JOURNALIST MURDERS IN MEXICO.

WE'LL BRING YOU AN ON THE GROUND REPORT FROM TIJUANA.

> WE TRY TO LIVE IN THE MOMENT, NOT TO MISS WHAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.

> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

THE GLOBAL ECONOMY IS IN UNCHARTERED TERRITORY.

WHERE IT GOES NEXT IS ANYBODY'S GUESS.

RAGING INFLATION, THE SOARING COSTS OF GAS AND FOOD ARE PLAGUING CONSUMERS IN AMERICA AND AROUND THE WORLD.

THE U.S. FEDERAL RESERVE BELATEDLY RACING TO REACT TOOK THE MOST AGGRESSIVE MOVE IN DECADES ON WEDNESDAY, HIKING THE INTEREST RATE 75 BASIS POINTS TO TRY TO REIGN IN THE RISING PRICES.

AND JUST TODAY THE BANK OF ENGLAND ALSO RAISED RATES.

WILL THE RATE HIKES BE THE CURE TO COOL DOWN THIS OVERHEATED ECONOMY?

OR IS IT NOW AT RISK OF SLIDING INTO A RECESSION?

AND WHAT MIGHT THE OUTLOOK MEAN FOR BIG ISSUES LAID BARE BY THE PANDEMIC.

MICHELLE HOLDER IS AN ECONOMICS PROFESSOR AND OUTGOING PRESIDENT AND SOOEG OF THE WASHINGTON CENTER FOR EQUITABLE GROWTH.

WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

FIRST, LET ME GET YOUR REACTION TO THE INTEREST RATE HIKES, 57 BASIS POINTS FROM THE FEDERAL RESERVE.

THE LARGEST RATE HIKE IN NEARLY 30 YEARS.

WE WERE EXPECTING A RATE HIKE NOT NEARLY THIS HIGH UNTIL WE GOT SOME REALLY DISTURBING INFLATION DATA LAST WEEK.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE DECISION?

WAS IT THE RIGHT MOVE?

WELL, I THINK THAT IT WAS PROBABLY THE ONLY MOVE THAT THE FED COULD MAKE AT THIS POINT.

THERE IS SOME ECONOMIST WHO'S ARGUED THAT THE FED WAITED TOO LONG TO ACT AND TO RAISE INTEREST RATES.

SO BECAUSE IT TOOK THEM A WHILE TO GET TO THIS POINT, THEY KIND OF HAD TO MAKE IT A PRETTY BIG JUMP.

AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THE INCREASE IN INFLATION THAT WE HAVE SEEN RAPIDLY.

LONG GONE IS THE WORD TRANSITORY WHICH IS WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND FEDERAL RESERVE LAFRT YEAR.

IT DOES APPEAR THAT INFLATION IS HERE TO STAY.

AND IN MAY PRICES ROSE 8.6%. THE FEDERAL RESERVE HAS TWO MANDATES, KEEP THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE LOW AND INFLATION IN CHECK.

HOW DO YOU THINK THEY ARE DOING AT THIS POINT WITH BOTH ISSUES, THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE REMAINS LOW.

THE HIGHER INTEREST RATES GOES, THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE COULD RISE AS WELL.

YEAH, THE FEDERAL RESERVE HAS A REALLY TRICKY BALANCE TO TRIK.

TRICKY BALANCE TO STRIKE.

THERE ARE TWO MANDATES THAT INCLUDES KEEPING UNEMPLOYMENT LOW AND KEEPING PRICES STABLE.

SO, YEAH, THE FED HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN TERMS OF ITS POLICY AS WELL AS PRESIDENT BIDEN'S FISCAL POLICY APPROACHES TO GET UNEMPLOYMENT RATES BACK TO A LEVEL WHERE WE CAN ALL REST A LITTLE EASIER.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS BECAUSE PRICES ARE SO HIGH, NOW THE FED HAS TO PUT THE BRAKES ON THE ECONOMY, SLOW THINGS DOWN, COOL THINGS DOWN A LITTLE BIT, AND WE DO KNOW THAT WHEN THE FED PUTS THE BRAKES ON THE ECONOMY IN TERMS OF RAISING INTEREST RATES, THIS MEANS, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES ARE LESS LIKELY TO BORROW.

INDIVIDUALS ARE LESS LIKELY TO BORROW.

AND THIS REALLY IMPACTS THE LABOR MARKET IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HIRING AND JOB CREATION.

AND SO IT'S A REALLY TRICKY, TRICKY BALANCE THAT THE FED HAS TO STRIKE RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT'S A REALLY TRICKY THING TO DO CONSIDERING THAT INFLATION IS REALLY A BACK BOARD LOOKING IN.

WE SEE ANOTHER 75 BASIS RATE HIKE NEXT MONTH FROM THE FEDERAL RESERVE, LEAVING US WHAT SOME ANALYSTS ARE EXPECTING, ABOUT 3% AS THE FINANCIAL TARGET RATE THERE.

AND THAT DOES LEAVE MANY TO WORRY THAT WE CAN'T AVOID A RECESSION.

PERHAPS THERE IS AN OVERSHOOT GIVEN THAT WE MAY CONTINUE TO SEE INFLATION, A BACKWARD LOOKING INDICATOR CONTINUE TO RISE OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

AND, THUS, LEADING TO MORE RATE HIKES.

WHAT CAN BE DONE TO AVOID THAT?

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY FEELING THE PINCH.

AND WE ARE NOT IN A RECESSION.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DO GET TO ONE?

I THINK THE KEY TO HOW THE FED MOVES IS REALLY HOW HIGH WILL IT CONTINUE TO HIKE INTEREST RATES?

AND HOW QUICKLY?

AND IT DOES SEEM THAT THE FED IS POISED TO REALLY BE AGGRESSIVE ABOUT GETTING PRICE.

Announcer: CONTROL, AS WE SAW THIS REALLY SIGNIFICANT THIS RATE HIKE, THE LARGEST IN 30 YEARS.

I DON'T SEE THE FED REALLY ABATING THIS APPROACH.

THE CALLS AND CONCERNS ABOUT A POTENTIAL LOOMING RECESSION ARE QUITE VALID.

THEY'RE REALLY PUTTING THE PEDAL TO THE METAL TO GET PRICES DOWN.

THE FED IS AN INDEPENDENT ENTITY.

THEY NEED TO DO WHAT THEY CAN TO REIGN IN INFLATION.

HE IS WELL AWARE OF THAT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HE CONTINUES TO TOUT WHAT IS OTHERWISE A ROBUST ECONOMY.

HERE'S WHAT HE SAID JUST EARLIER.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS -- I TRULY BELIEVE WE MADE EXTRAORDINARY PROGRESS BY LAYING A NEW FOUNDATION FOR OUR ECONOMY.

WHICH BECOMES CLEAR, ONCE GLOBAL INFLATION BEGINS TO RECEDE.

SO MUCH AT STAKE.

BUT THE TRUTH IS I'VE NEVER BEEN MORE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT AMERICA THAN I AM TODAY.

I REALLY MEAN IT.

DOES HE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE OPTIMISTIC?

YOU COMPARE TO OTHER DEVELOPED NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD, THE UNITED STATES ECONOMY IS HOLDING STRONG.

THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, THERE DO APPEAR TO BE A LOT OF HEADWINDS ON THE HORIZON.

WELL, HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY.

SO WE WANT HIM TO MAINTAIN A HIGH LEVEL OF OPTIMISM, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE EVERY DAY JOAN' JOANNA WORKING AND BUYING AND CONSUMING IN THIS COUNTRY, THE HIT TO THE POCKETBOOK IS REALLY FELT QUITE DEEPLY.

SO I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THE U.S. ECONOMY IS HEAD FORD A CLIFF.

BUT I DO THINK THAT WE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF FED POLICY, THERE REALLY HAS TO BE AN APPROACH IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW HIGH AND HOW QUICKLY IT CONTINUES TO RAISE INTEREST RATES.

THE OTHER THING ABOUT RECESSION IS, YOU KNOW, THE WORD RECESSION US SELF IS CONSIDERED KIND OF THE BOGEYMAN, RIGHT?

NOT ALL RECESSIONS ARE EQUAL.

THE CORONAVIRUS RECESSION WAS REALLY ONLY TWO MONTHS.

WE KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF PAIN BEFORE AND AFTER THAT RECESSION, BUT IT WAS A VERY SHORT LIVED ONE.

YOU KNOW, IN AND OF ITSELF, THE DEFINITION OF A RECESSION IS DECLINE IN OUTPUT FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE QUARTERS OR SIX MONTHS.

I THINK THE U.S. CAN WEATHER THE STORM OF A SHORT AND MODERATE RECESSION IF THAT IS WHAT WE'RE HEADED FOR.

I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT SHOULDN'T BE OPTIMISTIC.

I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP WEATHERING THE STORM.

ECONOMISTS, DEMOCRATIC ECONOMISTS AND MANY REPUBLICANS ARE FOCUSING BLAME ON THIS ADMINISTRATION AND STIMULUS CHECKS IN PARTICULAR.

FOR PUTTING TOO MUCH MONEY INTO THE SYSTEM AND LEADING TO MORE DEMAND AND THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES THAT WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW.

ON THE FLIP SIDE, YOU COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT INFLATION IS A GLOBAL PHENOMENON.

PERHAPS THERE ARE A LOT OF AMERICAN FAMILIES WHO HAVE THAT EXTRA CUSHION TO MAKE IT THROUGH WHATEVER CHALLENGES WE'RE FACING, WHETHER WE DO END UP IN A RECESSION OR NOT.

WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THE REASON BEHIND THIS SPIKE IN INFLATION AND WHAT IF ANY ROLE THIS ADMINISTRATION PLAYED IN IT?

I WOULD HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT THE FISCAL POLICY APPROACH THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN'S ADMINISTRATION TO THE ECONOMIC DOWN TURN, TO HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT THAT WE SAW TWO YEARS AGO, HIS APPROACH, INJECTING MORE MONEY INTO THE ECONOMY IN ESSENCE DID THE JOB IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.

DID IT SPUR DEMAND AND LEAD TO JOB CREATION.

THE PROBLEM CAME IN THE FORM OF SUPPLY COULDN'T KEEP UP WITH DEMAND.

RIGHT?

PEOPLE HAD MORE MONEY.

THEY WERE SPENDING.

THIS WAS CREATING JOBS.

WE KNOW THERE WAS AND STILL IS A GLOBAL PANDEMIC RIGHT NOW.

THERE IS ALSO THIS CONFLICT THIS WAR IN UKRAINE.

IT IS THE CASE THAT PERHAPS THE ADMINISTRATION SHOULD HAVE FORESEEN THERE WOULD BE SUPPLY PROBLEMS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, OUR COUNTRY AND THE REST OF THE WORLD BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC AND PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, SPURRING DEMAND TO THIS DEGREE COULD NOT BE MET WITH ADEQUATE SUPPLY?

MAYBE.

BUT MY POINT IS THE ADMINISTRATION DID WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO, GET THE ECONOMY GOING AGAIN, GET PEOPLE BUYING AGAIN, GET PEOPLE WORKING AGAIN.

THE ISSUE CAME IN TERMS OF SUPPLY NOT BEING ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH IT.

AS YOU MENTION, THE U.S. IS NOT ALONE IN TERMS OF EXPERIENCING REALLY HIGH INFLATION NOW.

IF YOU LOOK AT GERMY, FRANCE, UK, THESE ARE ALL COUNTRIES EXPERIENCING VERY HIGH INFLATION RIGHT NOW.

SO TO POINT THE FINGER AT THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GO IN.

THIS IS A GLOBAL PHENOMENON.

IS THE PRESIDENT RIGHT THEN TO POINT THE FINGER, A LARGE PART OF THIS, HE IS CORRECT, IN SAYING THAT PUTIN AND HIS ILLEGAL WAR IN UKRAINE HAS LED TO A SFIK IN OIL AND GAS PRICES.

THE HE IS CORRECT TO ALSO POINT THE FINGER AT OIL COMPANIES AS HE SENT THIS LETTER TO SEVEN EXECUTIVES THIS WEEK ACCUSING THEM OF PRICE GOUGING AND NOT PUTTING MORE GASOLINE OUT THERE?

IS HE RIGHT IN THAT RESNEKT.

I DON'T THINK IT IS POLITICAL.

THE DATA DOES SHOW THAT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE PRICE INCREASES THAT CONSUMERS ARE EXPERIENCING IN THIS COUNTRY IS COMING IN THE FORM OF MARKUPS, COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, WIDENING THE MARGE UNOF PROFITS THEY'RE MAKING ON THE PRODUCTS AND SERVICES THEY PRODUCE AND SELL.

SO THE PRESIDENT IS NOT WRONG IN THAT REGARD.

I THINK IT IS DIFFICULT TO SELL IT TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS LOOKING TO THE PRESIDENT TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

BUT HE'S NOT WRONG.

IN FACT, THE ECONOMY POLICY INSTITUTE, ANOTHER WASHINGTON, D.C. BASED THINK TANK HAS DONE THE DATA ANALYSIS INCOMPROMISED OF THE HIGH PRICES WE'RE SEEING.

IT IS THE MARKUP ON GOODS AND SERVICES.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THESE RATE HIKES WILL WILL MEAN FOR AVERAGE AMERICANS.

WE HAVE SEEN AN OVERHEATED HOUSING MARKET.

NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN JUST THIS WEEK MORTGAGE RATES SURGED 5.78%. THAT IS THE LARGEST ONE WEEK INCREASE SINCE 1987.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

DO YOU THINK IN A SENSE THIS SPIKE IN INTEREST RATES WILL HELP LEVEL OUT SOME OF THIS OVERSTIMULATION AND RESOLVE THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES?

WELL, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THE TACTIC THAT THE FED IS USE RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF REALLY PUSHING THE ENVELOPE IN TERMS OF THE LATEST INTEREST RATE HIKE, YOU IT WILL HAVE A COOLING EFFECT ON THE ECONOMY.

BUT WHETHER OR NOT IT AFFECTS THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES I THINK IS SORT OF A DIFFERENT MATTER.

IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT SUPPLY CHAIN PROBLEMS ARE BEING CAUSED BY PROBLEMS IN THE UNITED STATES.

THEY'RE BEING CAUSED BY, YOU KNOW, ISSUES SORT OF BEYOND THE CONTROL OF THE PRESIDENT.

THE SO I DON'T -- TO SAY THAT IT WILL HELP WITH SUPPLY CHAIN PROBLEMS, I DO THINK IT WILL HELP IN AN INDIRECT WAY IN TERMS OF DAMPENING DEMAND.

BUT IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT TO SAY THIS IS A GLOBAL ISSUE.

WOMEN AND PEOPLE OF COLOR WERE HARDEST HIT BY THE RECESSION STEMMING FROM THE PANDEMIC.

AS THEY JUST GATHERED THEY'RE BARINGS AND I'M CONCERNED AS I'M SURE YOU ARE AND MANY ARE THAT THERE COULD FACE ANOTHER CHALLENGE IF WE DO IN FACT HIT A RECESSION OR EVEN IF WE DON'T, THE IMPACT FROM THIS INCREASE NOW IN INTEREST RATES AND RESPONSE TO RISING INFLATION.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

THOSE ARE THE GROUPS I REALLY LOOK AT IN TERMS OF HOW THEIR FARING IN THE U.S. ECONOMY AND LABOR MARKET.

SO WE DO KNOW DURING RECESSIONARY TIMES AND THE LAST RECESSION AND THE COVID RECESSION OR CORONAVIRUS RECESSION, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, WE KNOW THAT WOMEN EXPERIENCED MORE SO THAN MEN HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT RATES.

AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT TYPICALLY SPEAKING DURING RECESSIONARY PERIODS, REALLY PEOPLE OF COLOR WHO RECEIVE A -- YOU KNOW, THE BRUNT OF IT.

SO YES, IT IS ABSOLUTELY CONCERNED.

SO THE FED HAS THE JOB CUT OUT FOR IT TRYING TO MAINTAIN ITS DUEL MANDATE OF BOTH PRICE STABILITY AND FULL EMPLOYMENT.

LET'S HOPE FOR THE SAKE OF ALL AMERICANS THAT THEY GET IT RIGHT.

MICHELLE HOLDER, THANK YOU, SO MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

> AND NOW TO THE OTHER BIG STORY IN THE U.S.

THE JANUARY 6th PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AMERICANS ARE LEARNING NEW INFORMATION ABOUT THE INSURRECTION.

AND FOR SOME LIKE SERGEANT GONEL, IT'S NOT AN EASY WATCH.

THAT'S BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY LIVED IT.

THE CAPITOL HILL POLICE OFFICER WAS PUNCHED, KICKED, AND SPRAYED WITH CHEMICAL IRRITANTS AS HE TRIED TO DEFEND THE BUILDING.

HERE HE IS TALKING TO MICHELLE MARTIN ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND WHY THIS MOMENT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR HIM.

THANK YOU.

SERGEANT, THANK YOU FOR TALKING WITH US.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME, MICHELLE.

LEADING UP TO JANUARY 6th, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?

LIKE WHAT WERE THE CONVERSATIONS IN THE DAYS LEADING UP TO IT?

DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT YOU THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE?

I THINK LEADING UP TO THE JANUARY 6th OR THE RALLY, THERE HAD BEEN A LOT OF THINGS ON THE NEWS THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD CONSIDER ALARMING.

BUT NEVER IN MY WILDEST DREAMS WOULD I HAVE THOUGHT THAT OUR PEOPLE, AMERICAN CITIZENS WOULD ATTACK POLICE OFFICERS IN FULL UNIFORM.

I SAW A COUPLE THINGS ON LINE.

BUT WE DEALT WITH THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DEMONSTRATIONS.

DEMONSTRATION HAPPENING AT THE CAPITOL.

SOME ARE LARGE AND GET NOTICED.

SOME ARE A FEW PEOPLE, 20 OR LESS.

SO IT IS NO DIFFERENT.

AT THAT TIME WE WERE DOING THE SAME PROTOCOL FOR EVERYONE.

SO IT'S NOT -- NOTHING OUT OF NORM.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT DIDN'T PAN OUT.

YOU TESTIFIED LAST JULY BEFORE THE INVESTIGATORS AND GAVE SOME VERY GRAPHIC AND VERY MOVING TESTIMONY.

AND I'M SURE IT TOOK A LOT OUT OF YOU TO RELIVE IT.

SO I'M NOT TAKING YOU THROUGH THAT ALL AGAIN.

BUT I WAS WONDERING AT WHAT POINT DO YOU REALIZE THIS IS BAD?

THIS IS GETTING BAD.

THIS IS NOT WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE.

THE MINUTE THAT YOU STEPPED OUTSIDE BY THE STAGE COMING DOWN WHERE THE SAME ENTRANCE WHERE THE PRESIDENT COMES OUT TO TAKE THE OATH, THAT ICONIC ARCH GOING DOWN THE STEPS AND HEARING THE CROWD, THE MOB CHANTING AND JUST THE ROAR OF THE WORDS THAT THEY WERE SAYING.

IT'S LIKE WE SEE YOUR FELLOW OFFICER, NO MATTER THE RANK, YOU SEE THEM.

AND WE HAVE TO ACT.

WE WENT STRAIGHT TO HELP THEM OUT.

TO GIVE THE MOB THAT SOME WERE ATTACKING THE OFFICERS.

SOME WERE PUSHING THEM TO THE GROUND.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS HARD.

I PAUSED RIGHT BEFORE I WENT DOWN.

LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG DAY.

IT WAS A LONG DAY.

I HAD GONE THROUGH COMBAT IN IRAQ IN TRAINING.

AND THAT GAVE ME A SENSE OF, OKAY, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS SCARY, WE HAVE -- I HAVE TO GO DOWN AND HELP MY FELLOW OFFICERS.

YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IN YOUR TESTIMONY LAST SUMMER ABOUT HOW YOU WERE PUNCHED, PUSHED, KICKED, SHOVED, SPRAYED WITH CHEMICAL IRRITANTS, BLINDED WITH EYE DAMAGING LASERS, PEOPLE CALLED YOU NAMES, BASICALLY CHALLENGING YOUR LOYALTY.

I JUST HAD TO ASK.

SO NOW HERE WE ARE MONTHS LATER.

ALL OF THIS INVESTIGATION HAS TAKEN PLACE.

AND NOW THE HEARINGS ARE BRINGING A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAW AND EXPERIENCED TO THE PUBLIC.

IN A WAY THAT MAYBE SOME PEOPLE HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE.

WHAT'S THIS BEEN LIKE FOR YOU?

AT THIS POINT, JUST REAFFIRMING WHAT I BELIEVE.

ONE REASON WHY I ATTEMPT TO THOSE HEARINGS AND I PLAN TO ATTEND THEM ALL IS BECAUSE IT'S PERSONAL TO ME THE WAY YOU WAS HURT THE WAY I WAS BEATING UP AND INJURED.

NOT ONLY ME BUT THE OTHER OFFICERS AS WELL.

AND PERSONALLY, I HAD SEEN A LOT OF THOET VIDEOS.

I LIVED THEM.

THERE IS NOTHING THAT WILL MAKE ME CHANGE MY MIND THAT THIS WAS ORCHESTRATING AND BY SOMEBODY IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

AND I HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.

YOU HAVE LEARNED ANYTHING IN THESE HEARINGS THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW?

IS THERE SOMETHING THAT STRUCK YOU OR THAT YOU HADN'T SEEN BEFORE OR HEARD BEFORE?

IS THERE SOMETHING THAT IS PARTICULARLY STANDING OUT FOR YOU RIGHT NOW?

AS I SAID IN MY TESTIMONY, THIS IS NOT A -- THIS WAS NOT A COINCIDENCE THAT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE GATHEREDED THE RALLY AND THEN THEY DECIDE TO GO TO THE CAPITOL.

THEY WERE DIRECTED IMPLICITLY OR, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY ENFORCE THEM.

BUT HE DIRECTED THEM.

HE POINTED WHERE TO GO.

WE'RE GOING TO THE CAPITOL.

AND WE'RE GOING TO SHOW SOME OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, I'M PARAPHRASING HERE.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FORMER PRESIDENT?

CORRECT.

IS THERE SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR THAT YOU HOPE WILL COME OUT OF THESE HEARINGS?

WELL, LIKE ALL -- EVERYBODY WHO'S WATCHING, I THINK THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

THE WORLD NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

I THINK THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE IS DOING FANTASTIC JOB SO FAR.

IN LAYING DOWN -- LAYING OUT THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY HAVE UNCOVERED.

THEY FILMED COMPLETELY THEIR INVESTIGATION.

AND CHARGES ARE WARRANTED FOR CRIMINAL CHARGES ARE WARRANTED FOR THOSE WHO PLAN, ORCHESTRATING, AIDING AND ABETTING.

THEY SHOULD.

THEY SHOULD BRING CHARGES TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE.

AND IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, AT LEAST THEY WILL DO IT POLITICALLY.

BECAUSE THIS IS BOUND TO HAPPEN AGAIN IF NOTHING COMES OUT OF IT.

IF NOBODY IS HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE.

I KNOW YOU WERE QUITE SERIOUSLY INJURED.

I KNOW THAT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GO BACK TO FULL DUTY, RIGHT?

I MEAN I THINK YOU'RE ON DESK DUTY, IS THAT RIGHT?

YES.

I HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF I'VE BEEN -- SINCE JANUARY 20th, I'VE BEEN ON RESTRICTED DUTY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

I HAD TWO SURGERIES ALREADY.

ONE ON MY FOOT AND ONE ON MY LEFT SHOULDER.

BOTH HAVE BEEN LONG AND PAINFUL.

MENTALLY, I'M RECEIVING TREATMENT THROUGH A PSYCHOLOGIST.

SO IT'S BEEN HARD.

TAKING A TOLL.

AND BUT I AM MAKING PROGRESS.

st I HAVE A GOOD SUPPORT SYSTEM WITH MY WIFE AND MY SON AND RELATIVES.

BUT THE SUPPORT WE NEED IN TERMS OF ACCOUNTABILITY, THAT HASN'T BEEN SEEN UNTIL RECENTLY BECAUSE THE NEW EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT OUT TO LIGHT BY THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE.

I'M HOPEFUL THAT WITH THOSE MATERIALS THEN THE RECOMMENDATION THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WILL BE MADE.

CRIMINALLY OR POLITICALLY.

AND ALSO FOR THE PEOPLE TO SUE THEM FOR WHAT HAPPENED.

THOSE PEOPLE ARE DEEMED COMPROMISED OR RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED.

DO YOU THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO YOUR OLD JOB?

YOU WOULD WANT TO?

AS OF RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW.

MIXED FEELINGS.

I LIKE MY JOB.

I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 17 YEARS.

IT MENTALLY DRAINING SEEING WHAT HAPPENED IN SOME OF THE REVELATIONS THAT HAD COME OUT H MUST PHYSICAL THERAPIST CLEARED ME THREE DAYS AGO AND I STILL HAVE SOME MUTATIONS.

I'M NOT 100%. AND THOSE REMAINING ISSUES ARE LIFE LONG INJURIES THAT AS A RESULT OF WHAT HAPPENED JANUARY 6th.

AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WE PROTECTED THAT DAY, THEY'D RATHER BE FIGHTING FOR THE POLITICAL PRISONERS, OR THE TOURISTS.

IN GENERAL FOR ASSAULTING POLICE OFFICERS.

AND THEY TURN AROUND AND EVERY TIME THEY GET A CHANCE PUBLICLY, THEY GO WELL WE SUPPORT THE BLUE.

WE BACK THE BLUE.

THANK YOU, POLICE OFFICERS, FOR HELPING US.

I THINK THAT MANTRA IS ALREADY ON THE FLOOR.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

I DON'T CARE HOW MANY TIMES THEY SAY IT.

THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND A LOT OF PEOPLE PRAISE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR FOR COMING FORWARD AND TESTIFYING.

I DON'T.

BECAUSE HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THOSE THINGS WITHOUT HAVING BEEN SUBPOENAED.

HE COULD HAVE DONE THAT FOR THE IMPEACHMENT, THE SECOND IMPEACHMENT AND THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT TESTIFY AS WELL.

THEY'RE ONLY DOING IT BECAUSE THEY GOT SUBPOENAED.

AND I THINK AS AN IMMIGRANT, I SHOW MORE LOYALTY TO THE COUNTRY AND THE OATH THAN SOME OF THE VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO WERE INSIDE THAT WHITE HOUSE FOR THE PRESIDENT.

AND THAT SAYS A LOT.

YOU HAVE SACRIFICED A LOT.

I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO LEAVE EVERYTHING YOU KNOW TO COME TO A NEW PLACE EVEN IF IT'S FOR OPPORTUNITY, EVEN IF IT'S IN THE HOPE OF A BETTER LIFE.

IT IS STILL HARD.

HARD TO LEAVE YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND EVERYTHING THAT IS FAMILIAR.

AND YOU CAME HERE AND SERVED YOUR COUNTRY IN UNIFORM.

YOU SERVED IN COMBAT OVERSEAS.

I CAN JUST WONDER, YOU KNOW, AS A POLICE OFFICER TRYING TO DEFEND THE CAPITOL THAT DAY, I WONDER HAS THIS CHANGED HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE COUNTRY THAT YOU HAVE EMBRACED?

WATCHING HOW WE ARE PROMOTING THE U.S. OVERSEAS AS YOU CAN REACH YOUR AMERICAN DREAM, BUY A HOUSE, STUDY, WORK, MAKE IT TO THE MIDDLE CLASS AND SO FORTH, AND THEN WE HAVE VALUES IN DOING THE RIGHT THING.

I THINK I HAVE TRIED TO DO THAT MY WHOLE LIFE.

I'M NOT PERFECT.

I'LL TELL YOU THAT.

BUT I DO TRY.

AND WHEN I HAVE TAKEN THAT OATH OF OFFICE -- OF DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND DOING MY JOB, I'VE DONE THAT SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY.

BOTH IN THE MILITARY AND AS A POLICE OFFICER.

AND IT'S THE SAME OATH THAT POLITICAL FIGURES, ELECTED OFFICIALS TAKE.

AND I SEE THEM NOT HONORING THAT OATH.

ON JANUARY 6th, I SAW PLENTY OF POLICE OFFICERS ATTACKING OTHER POLICE OFFICERS.

I SAW VETERANS, ARMY VETERANS OR MILITARY VETERANS ATTACKING THE POLICE OFFICERS.

I SAW ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY ATTACKING THE POLICE OFFICERS AND MYSELF.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ELECTED LEADERS ATTACKING THOSE OFFICERS, CLAIMING THAT WE ARE -- WE WILL BE INNOCENT PEOPLE.

OR WE USE -- WE WERE DOING POLICE AND THE RIOTERS WHEN THEY ARE THE ONE WHO BREACHED THE CAPITOL AND PULLED BACK LAYERS AFTER LAYERS AFTER LAYERS JUST TO GET INTO THE CAPITOL.

AND EITHER EXECUTE PEOPLE, KILL PEOPLE, BEAT PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T -- THEY WANTED TO STOP THE TRANSFER OF POWER.

THAT WAS CHICKEN TO ME.

I'M NOT EVEN IN IRAQ DURING MY TIME I DID GO THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

AND THAT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING.

BEFORE WE LET YOU GO, SERGEANT, IS THERE ANYTHING GIVING YOU HOPE RIGHT NOW?

I'M STILL HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL GET THROUGH ALL THESE THINGS.

IT IS JUST PAINFUL.

IT'S PAINFUL TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE FELL FOR THAT LIE.

AND EVEN AFTER US ARE BEINGING MY LIFE, THEY DENY SOMETHING HAPPENED AT THE CAPITOL THAT DAY.

IF YOU TAKE ANYTHING FROM WHAT I'M SAYING RIGHT NOW.

JUST THINK ABOUT THIS.

YOU HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 16 BLOCKS AWAY SITTING DOWN WATCHING WHAT HIS SUPPORTERS WERE BEATING UP POLICE OFFICERS.

AND INSIDE THE BUILDING WE WERE TRYING TO PROTECT.

WE HAD THE VICE PRESIDENT, HIS WIFE, HIS DAUGHTER, THE NUCLEAR CODES, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE NEXT TWO PEOPLE IN LINE IN THE PRESIDENCY, SPEAKER PELOSI AND THE SENATOR PRO TEMPERATURE.

THEN YOU HAD THE OTHER MEMBERS, THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.

IF THAT IS NOT A NATIONAL SECURITY -- I CANNOT EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW BAD THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IF YOU LOOK AT HOW THE MOB, WHAT THE MOB DID WHEN THEY BREACHED THE SENATE, THEY STARTED GOING TO THE DESK OF THE SENATORS.

IMAGINE IF THEY HAD THAT NUCLEAR CODE ON VIDEO FOR OUR ADVERSARIES LIKE CHINA AND RUSSIA TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE -- WHAT WE HAVE IN THAT NUCLEAR AREA OR SEVERAL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO HAD DIED OR SENATORS OR LET'S SAY 20, 25, YOU PICK A NUMBER.

ONE.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BAD FOR OUR DEMOCRACY.

THE ONLY PERSON THAT HAD INFLUENCE OVER THAT MOB WAS SITTING ACROSS 16 BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE CAPITOL.

AND THAT SHOULD SCARE YOU THAT IF HE GETS IN POWER AGAIN, HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THIS AGAIN.

I HOPE THAT PEOPLE DO PAY ATTENTION, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST AND ONLY LOOK AND SEE ONE CHANNEL.

THEY SHOULD BE OPEN THEIR EYES AND OPEN THEIR MIND TO A POSSIBILITY THAT WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6th, IT IS AS BAD AS IT SOUNDS.

IT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN.

AND IF HE DOES, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE SERIOUS.

SERGEANT, THANK YOU FOR SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING TO US TODAY.

I DO WISH YOU WELL.

I DO WISH YOU VERY WELL ON YOUR RECOVERY AND HOPE THAT YOU WILL HAVE CONTINUED HEALING.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, MICHELLE.

JANUARY 6th COULD HAPPEN AGAIN.

A CHILLING WARNING FROM SOMEBODY WHO LIVED IT.

> AND NOW 100 MILLION REASONS FOR CHANGE.

THE INTERNATIONAL RESCUE COMMITTEE IS CALLING FOR URGENT ACTION AS NEW DATA FINDS A RECORD 100 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FORCIBLY DISPLACED FROM THEIR HOMES INCLUDING 89 MILLION LAST YEAR ALONE.

IT'S THE GREATEST DISPLACEMENT FIGURE SINCE WORLD WAR II.

DAVID MILLIBAND IS THE CEO AND BRITAIN'S FOREIGN SECRETARY HOME RUN GORDON BROWN.

HE JOINS ME NOW FROM NEW YORK.

DAVID, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY.

THE A STAGGERING FIGURE.

RECORD SETTING FIGURE.

MORE THAN SEVEN MILLION OF THOSE CONSIST OF DISPLACED INTERNAL UKRAINIAN CITIZENS.

AND MORE THAN SIX MILLION REFUGEES THAT HAVE BEEN FORCED TO LEAVE UKRAINE SINCE THE CONFLICT BEGAN.

LET'S START THERE.

AND THE CURRENT CRISIS IN UKRAINE.

WHAT IS THE LATEST ON THE GROUND THERE IN TERMS OF REFUGEES?

WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN?

THANK YOU.

THAT'S VERY GOOD TO TALK TO YOU.

THE UKRAINE CRISIS HAS CATAPULTED THE GROWING GLOBAL CRISIS OF DISPLACEMENT ABOVE THE 100 MILLION FIGURE.

THE COMMITTEE HAS TEAMS INSIDE UKRAINE AS WELL AS ACROSS EUROPE.

AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THREE VERY IMPORTANT CHANGES.

FIRST OF ALL, INCREASING NUMBERS OF PEOPLE CAUGHT UP IN THE FIGHTING IN THE EAST OF THE COUNTRY.

SECONDLY, A GROWING RETURN TO NORMALITY IN THE REST OF UKRAINE.

PEOPLE RETURNING ACTUALLY FROM EUROPE, UP TO TWO MILLION OF THEM.

COMING BACK TO KYIV AND THE OTHER MAJOR CITIES IN THE CENTER AND WEST OF THE COUNTRY.

AND THEN IN EUROPE A PROFOUND EFFORT BY THE EUROPEAN UNION STATES TO OFFER THREE YEAR SCHOOLING AND EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES TO UKRAINIAN REFUGEES SETTING A NEW GLOBAL STANDARD FOR HOW REFUGEES SHOULD BE TREATED.

SO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CRISIS ARE EXPERIENCING THE CURRENT WAVE OF THE CONFLICT IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND, DAVID, ALL OF THESE COUNTRIES, MANY OF THEM WHETHER IT'S MOLDOVA OR POLAND, THEY WELCOMED THE REFUGEES WITH OPEN ARMS.

WE JUST DID A SEGMENT ON ECONOMIC IMPLICATIONS AROUND THE WORLD.

PERHAPS FEARS OF A RECESSION, GROWING INFLATION AROUND THE WORLD AS WELL.

HOW CONCERNED ARE YOU THAT THAT WILL MOVE AWAY SOME OF THE ATTENTION THAT'S BEEN DIRECTED AT THESE REFUGEES AND IMPACT THEM NEGATIVELY?

I THINK EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE CONCERNED TO CON TRAIT ON MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME.

THERE IS A DANGER FOR UKRAINE.

ATTENTION GOES AWAY.

BUT THERE IS ALSO A DANGER FOR MANY OTHER PEOPLE CAUGHT UP IN CONFLICT WHETHER IT IN YEMEN OR ETHIOPIA OR POST CONFLICT IN AFGHANISTAN.

THEY GET FORGOTTEN.

WE HAVE TO LEARN THIS IS AN INTERCONNECT BED WORLD WHERE PROBLEMS WILL MOVE.

IF THEY'RE NOT ADDRESSED.

AND OUR ARGUMENT IS THAT THE 100 MILLION PEOPLE DISPLACED BY CONFLICT AND PERSECUTION AROUND THE WORLD ARE 100 MILLION REASONS TO CHANGE THE WAY IN WHICH WE ADDRESS THESE PROBLEMS.

BOTH AS SOURCE IN TERMS OF THE DIPLOMACY BECAUSE THERE ARE 53 CIVIL CONFLICTS GOING ON AT THE MOMENT THAT ARE NOT BEING TAMED.

BUT ALSO HOW WE HELP THE VICTIMS WHO TOO OFTEN ARE VICTIMIZED RATHER THAN BEING EFFECTIVELY SUPPORTED.

AND IN THIS ASPECT, THE SCALE OF THE SUPPORT THE UKRAINIAN REFUGEES IS MUCH GREATER THAN THAT FOR PEOPLE CAUGHT UP IN CONFLICT ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD AND FRANKLY THE LEVEL OF SUPPORT THAT UKRAINIAN REFUGEES HAVE BEEN OFFERED WHICH IS RIGHT NEEDS TO BE MATCHED ELSEWHERE.

HOW DO THEY RESPOND TO THIS CRISIS GROWS AND ATTENTION, PERHAPS, IS TOO FOCUSED ON UKRAINE AND NOT SOME OF THE OTHER HUMANITARIAN AND REFUGEE CRISIS THAT WE'RE SEEING ALL OVER THE WORLD.

JUST RECENTLY THE HRC CHIEF CRITICIZED WHAT HE CALLED A MONOPOLY OF RESOURCES GOING TO UKRAINE.

HOW DO YOU BALANCE THAT?

HOW DO YOU KEEP THE FOCUS ON UKRAINE WHERE IT SHOULD BE AND A HOT WAR RIGHT NOW AND ALSO NOT TAKING AWAY RESOURCES FROM OTHER VULNERABLE PEOPLE.

ESSENTIALLY, WE HAVE TO LEARN TO CHEW GUM AND PLAY THE VIOLIN AT THE SAME TIME.

IT CERTAINLY IS EASIER SAID THAN DONE.

FRANKLY, IT IS COMPLETELY WRONG.

FOR PEOPLE LEFT IN AFGHANISTAN OR ETHIOPIA TO PAY THE DOUBLE PRICE OF THE UKRAINE CRISIS.

THE FIRST PRICE BEING THE RISE IN FOOD PRICES.

THE SECOND PRICE BEING THE LOSS OF GLOBAL ATTENTION.

AND WE ALL KNOW THAT UNTENDED HUMANITARIAN CRISIS LEADS TO POLITICAL INSTABILITY WHICH THE WORLD CANNOT AFFORD.

NOW IT SO HAPPENS THAT WE HAVE A G-7 MEETING COMING UP.

THEY'RE MEETING IN A COUPLE WEEKS.

IT'S ESSENTIAL THEY ADDRESS THE CRISIS AND ALSO HAVE TO SHOW THE ABILITY TO THINK AND ACT AND WORK GLOBALLY.

141 COUNTRIES JOINED IN CONDEMNING THE RUSSIAN UNSAHRATIAN.

THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION IS REPRESENTED BY COUNTRIES THAT REFUSED TO JOIN THAT SHOW OF SUPPORT.

IT'S VITAL THAT WESTERN LIBERAL DEMOCRACIES SHOW THEY HAVE A GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE.

UNLESS THEY'RE ABLE TO TACKLE THE ALLEGATIONS OF HYPOCRISY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MUSTER THE GLOBAL COALITION THAT IS ESSENTIAL.

SOME OF THIS CRITICISM COMES FROM COUNTRIES THAT REALLY DO DEPEND ON RESOURCES OUT THIS REGION.

WHETHER IT IS RUSSIA OR UKRAINE.

HE SAID IT WOULD ONLY BE RELEASED IF BESEE SANCTIONS LIFTED.

HOW HAVE YOU DEALT WITH THIS CRISIS?

? I MEAN YOU REPORT SAYS THAT ADDITIONAL 47 MILLION PEOPLE ARE PROJECTED TO EXPERIENCE ACUTE HUNGER BECAUSE OF THIS CRISIS RIGHT NOW.

WHAT CAN BE DONE OTHER THAN CONTINUING TO PRESSURE PUTIN?

WE'RE DEPLOYING RESOURCES INTO AFGHANISTAN.

SOME OF THOSE ARE RESOURCES WE GET FROM GOVERNMENTS.

OTHERS ARE PEOPLE VISITING OUR WEBSITE CROSS-ICE.ORG TO LEARN ABOUT HOW TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

WHAT WE'RE SAYING TO THE VIEWERS IS WE KNOW HOW TO MEET THE NEEDS THAT EXIST.

DESPITE THE PROBLEMS OF FOOD STOCKS THAT YOU'RE RIGHT TO POINT TO AND THE NEED FOR DIPLOMATIC ACTION TO GET THOSE STOCKS OUT IF WE CAN OFFER SUPPORT TO PEOPLE IN SOMALIA AND PEOPLE IN ETHIOPIA, THEY WILL GO FROM BEING FOOD INSECURE TO BEING IN FAMINE CONDITIONS.

SECONDLY, THERE ARE AGRICULTURE STEPS.

THEY HAVE POTENTIAL.

THAT IS LONGER TERM THAN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

BUT THIS NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT OF IN THE REALM.

THE UKRAINE CRISIS SHOULD BE A GLOBAL WAKEUP CALL.

THIS ALL COMES AS WE CONTINUE TO SEE RECORDS SET IN TERMS OF WHETHER.

WHETHER IT IS DROUGHTS, RAIN, FIRES.

IT'S NO THE JUST WARS AND FAMINE THAT LEADS PEOPLE TO LEAVE THEY'RE PLACES OF HOME.

IT'S ALSO CLIMATE CHANGE.

WHAT ROLE HAS CLIMATE CHANGE PLAYED IN THE INCREASED NUMBER OF REFUGEES OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS?

YEAH SH THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

IT'S NO THE TO DIRECTLY DRIVE PEOPLE TO MOVE BETWEEN COUNTRIES.

WHEN STRESS HITS A PART OF THE COUNTRY, PEOPLE MOVE WITHIN THE COUNTRY.

CLIMATE DRIVES CONFLICT.

CLIMATE CHANGE DRIVES CONFLICT.

THAT'S WHAT RESOURCED STRESS LEADS TO.

WE'RE SEEING AROUND THE WORLD THE NEXUS OF CONFLICT AND CLIMATE TIGHTENING.

THE MOST CLIMATE EXPOSED COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD ARE THE MOST CONFLICT RIDDEN COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT INDICES.

ALL OF THIS POINTS TO THE NEED FOR A MUCH MORE JOINED UP RESPONSE.

THE IDEA THAT A CLIMATE RESPONSE IS SEPARATE FROM THE HUMANITARIAN RESPONSE, SEPARATE FROM THE DIPLOMATIC RESPONSE IS REALLY AN OLD WAY OF THINKING.

INCREASING PARTS OF THE WORLD WHERE WE'RE WORKING IS INTERNATIONAL HUMANITARIAN AGENCY BOTH MEETING IMMEDIATE MALNUTRITION NEEDS BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE INVEST IN AGRICULTURE LIVELY HOODS SO THEY'RE MORE RESILIENT TO THE STRESSES AND STRAINS OF CLIMATE CRISIS THAT UNDOUBTEDLY ARE HAPPENING.

SO THE FUTURE HAS ELEMENTS OF DANGER AND CHAOS ABOUT IT.

BUT THERE IS ALSO ELEMENTS OF PROGRESS, SCIENTIFIC AND OTHER PROGRESS.

AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SCALE OF RESOURCE THAT'S EXIST TO MEET THE NEEDS.

GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT ECONOMIC HEAD TWHANDZ NOT ONLY THE U.S. IS FACING BUT MUCH OF THE DEVELOPED WORLD IS FACING, HOW DO YOU CONVINCE AMERICANS, BRITS, FRENCH TO INVEST IN WHAT YOU ARE RIGHT TO POINT OUT ARE STAGGERING FIGURES AND CRISIS THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

HOW DO YOU CONVINCE THEM TO DEAL WITH THAT AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY ARE PAYING MUCH MORE THAN THEY WERE AT THE GAS PUMP, AT THE GROCERY STORE, TRYING TO BALANCE THEIR OWN BUDGETS AND NOW PERHAPS WORRIED ABOUT THEIR OWN JOBS IN THE FECHLT FEW MONTHS?

WELL, OBVIOUSLY, THE FIRST PART IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BURDEN OF TAXATION IS SPREAD IN A PROGRESSIVE WAY.

SO THOSE WERE THE BROADER SHOULDERS END UP TAKING THE GREATEST WEIGHT.

SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THOSE WERE THE LEAST AND NOT EXPECTED TO PAY THE MOST.

SO THERE IS AN ISSUE ABOUT THE PROGRESS OF THE TAXATION SYSTEM.

BUT SECONDLY, THE SELF INTEREST HERE NOT JUST MORAL INTEREST.

FRANKLY, IF WE DON'T TACKLE GLOBAL PROBLEMS, THEY COME AND REBOUND ON US.

AND FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SEEKING TO MOVE AS A RESULT OF GLOBAL ECONOMIC CHANGE, THE ONLY WAY TO MITIGATE THAT IS TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS PROPER HUMANITARIAN HELP AND THE FRACTIONS OF SUMS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR GLOBAL INTERNATIONAL HEALTH ARE DWARFED BY THE AMOUNT SPENT DOMESTICALLY IN RICH CUT TRI.

IN FACT, POOR COUNTRIES THAT BEAR THE GREATEST BURDEN OF SUPPORTING REFUGEES.

AND WE NEED TO EXPLAIN THAT.

I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP.

BROADER SHOULDERS CARRY THE GREATEST WEIGHT.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS WHO HAVE IS TAKING IN THE MOST REFUGEES.

THE UNITED STATES HELPING A LOT OF THE COUNTRIES WHICH NEIGHBOR AND BORDER UKRAINE WITH A LOT OF FINANCIAL AID BUT IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY TAKING REFUGEES, THE U.S. PALES IN COMPARISON.

I PUT THE UK IN THE SAME BOAT.

LET'S LOOK AT TURKEY.

YOU LOOK AT 2021, THEY HOST THIRD DOWN.8 MILLION REFUGEES.

POLAND NOW HOSTING 1.2 MILLION UKRAINIANS.

BY CONTRAST, THE UK HOSTS 137,000 REFUGEES.

AS OF LAST YEAR.

WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT FIGURE IS AS LOW AS IT?

YOU'RE RIGHT TO POINT THAT OUT.

BRITAIN IS THE FOREFRONT OF MILITARY HELP FOR UKRAINE.

BUT IT'S BEEN AN ABSOLUTE LAGGER WHEN IT COMES TO SUPPORTING REFUGEES FROM UKRAINE.

I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY LOGICAL REASON FOR THAT.

PT BRITAIN HAS A PROUD HISTORY OF THAT, VARIOUS PARTS OF HISTORY OF WELCOMING REFUGEES.

THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN A REALLY MINIMALIST APPROACH.

I THINK THERE IS ABSOLUTE ROOM FOR PRESSURE ON THE UK TO MEET THE KIND OF RECEPTION THAT EUROPEAN COUNTRIES HAVE OFFERED.

AS YOU SAY, SOME OF THE POORER COUNTRIES LIKE POLAND, HUNGARY AND MOLDOVA RESPONDED WITH MUCH MORE GENEROSITY.

THERE WAS ANOTHER SCANDAL, THE RWANDA FLIGHT SCANDAL.

THERE WAS A CONTROVERSIAL UK GOVERNMENT DECISION.

TO FORCIBLY SEND ASYLUM SEEKERS BACK TO RWANDA.

THAT FLIGHT WAS HALTED.

I WANT TO PLAY FOR YOU SOUND FROM BORIS JOHNSON IN RESPONSE TO THAT DECISION.

HE SEEMED TO STAND BY HIS INITIAL POLICY.

MY MESSAGE TO EVERYBODY TODAY IS THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE IN ANY WAY DETERRED BY THE CRITICISM THAT IS BEING DIRECTED UPON THIS POLICY.

SOME OF IT FROM SLIGHTLY UNEXPECTED QUARTERS.

WE'RE GOING TO GET ON AND DELIVER.

IS THAT A SOUND POLICY IN YOUR VIEW?

I'M AFRAID THAT THIS IS AN SCAM EXAMPLE OF THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT NEEDING A RACE TO THE BOTTOM.

THE FACT THAT 80% TO 90% OF THE PEOPLE BEING CONSIDERED FOR ROOTING TO RWANDA ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SUCCESSFUL ASYLUM CLAIMS.

I'M AFRAID THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE UK RENEGING ON THE FUNDAMENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES THAT ANY NATION HAS WHICH IS TO OBEY INTERNATIONAL LAW.

AND THIS COMES RECENT SCANDALS PLAGUING THE BORIS JOHNSON ADMINISTRATION.

HIS PROBLEMS CONTINUE TO GO.

HE BARELY SURVIVED A NO CONFIDENCE VOTE.

AND JUST THIS WEEK WE HEAR THE RESIGNATION OF LORD GIPE.

HE IS THE ETHICS ADVISER.

HE RESIGNED.

HE SAID HE WAS QUITTING AFTER BEING PLACED IN AN IMPOSSIBLE AND ODIOUS POSITION.

APPARENTLY RELATED TO FUTURE DECISIONS ON TRADE TARIFFS.

GIVEN ALL OF THIS SCANDAL THAT PLAGUED ADMINISTRATIONS WITH BORIS JOHNSON, DO YOU THINK THAT HE IS FINALLY REACHED THE POINT WHERE HE CANNOT BE IN CHARGE AND KEEP THE JOB THAT HE IS CURRENTLY IN RIGHT NOW?

OR DO YOU THINK THIS IS A SITUATION HE CAN ONCE AGAIN GET OUT OF AND MANAGE TO SURVIVE?

EVIDENTLY BORIS JOHNSON DOES REMAIN IN OFFICE.

I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IN CHARGE IS THE RIGHT EXPRESSION.

BUT HE CERTAINLY IN OFFICE.

THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY IN PARLIAMENT VOTE NOD CONFIDENCE IN HIM.

HE ULTIMATELY PREVAILED BY SECURING ABOUT 60% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO REMAIN THE LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY AND THE PRIME MINISTER OF THE UK.

THERE ARE VITAL DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN FOR GLOBAL IMPORT.

AND THESE ARE REALLY MOMENTOUS TIMES THAT REQUIRE SERIOUS LEADERSHIP.

AND ANYONE WHO HAS A LINK TO THE UK LIKE MYSELF WILL WANT TO URGE THE SERIOUSNESS IS MATCHED BY THE POLICIES THAT ARE REQUIRED.

AT THE MOMENT, THESE ARE THE TIME FOR THE UK TO STEP UP IN A SERIOUS WAY, NOT STEP BACK INTO SOAP OPERA.

DAVID, WE APPRECIATE THE TIME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

> AND NOW TO MEXICO.

DATA FROM THE HUMAN RIGHTS GROUP ARTICLE 19 SHOWS A SHOCKING INCREASE IN LEGAL VIOLENCE AGAINST JOURNALISTS IN THE YOU CAN'T TRI.

AT LEAST 11 HAVE BEEN MURDERED SO FAR THIS YEAR.

MAKING THE NORTH AMERICAN NATION ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACES IN THE WORLD.

TO DO JOURNALISM.

MEXICAN PRESIDENT MANUEL LOPEZ OPENLY DISMISSED THIS PROBLEM.

HE EVEN CONDEMNED JOURNALIST WHO'S CRITICIZE HIM.

MATT RIVERS IS IN TIJUANA, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS MEXICO'S MURDER CAPITAL.

TIJUANA, MEXICO, IN A COUNTRY PLAGUED BY HOMICIDE THIS CITY STANDS OUT.

NEARLY 800 MURDERS ALREADY THIS YEAR SAY STATE OFFICIALS, WHICH MEANS THE PEOPLE REPORTING ON THOSE CRIMES ARE BUSY.

THIS WE GET TO SEE FIRSTHAND, MEETING UP WELL AFTER DARK WITH FREELANCE JOURNALIST ROSALES.

IT'S NOT LONG BEFORE WE ARE OFF TO A POLICE SCENE.

[ SPEAKING SPANISH ]

DANGEROUS NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE HERE IN LOS ALOMOS, HE GETS TO WORK SNAPPING PHOTOS AND GOING LIVE ON FACEBOOK.

HE JUST DESCRIBES THE BASICS.

TIME, LOCATION, MANNER OF DEATH.

IN A CITY LIKE TIJUANA WHERE MURDERS ARE OFTEN LINKED TO ORGANIZED CRIME, EVEN JUST REPORTING THE FACTS CAN BE DEADLY.

[ SPEAKING SPANISH ] THIS MAN WAS A WELL KNOWN CRIME REPORTER IN THE CITY.

A HAPPY GUY WITH A QUICK WIT AND A BIG SMILE.

HE WAS KILLED OUGHT OUT OUTSIDE HIS HOME EARLIER THIS YEAR.

A BEST FRIEND.

HE TAUGHT ME EVERYTHING I KNOW.

THIS SMAN A JOURNALIST TOO.

ONE OF MARTINEZ'S BEST FRIENDS.

THEY WORKED TOGETHER AT COUNTLESS MURDER SCENES AND HE WORKED AT MARTINEZ'S TOO.

I HAD TO SEE IT, HE SAYS.

I HAD TO SEE IT.

IT'S WHAT WE DO.

WE COVER HOMICIDES.

NOW I WITNESSED HIS.

PROSECUTORS DETAINED TEN PEOPLE FOR THE CRIME.

THOUGH NONE HAVE BEEN FORMALLY CHARGED.

AUTHORITIES SAY THOSE DETAINED HAVE TIES TO ORGANIZED CRIME BUT HAVEN'T GIVEN AN EXACT MOTIVE FOR THE KILLING.

MARTINEZ'S DEATH TRAGICALLY NOT THAT UNUSUAL IN MEXICO.

11 JOURNALISTS HAVE BEEN KILLED SO FAR THIS YEAR ACCORDING TO HUMAN RIGHTS GROUP ARTICLE 19, A NUMBER THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT DISPUTES AS TOO HIGH.

MEXICAN PRESIDENT SAYS HIS GOVERNMENT IS COMMITTED TO PROTECTING JOURNALISTS.

SAYS, IS THAT IN ALL THE HOMICIDES THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN PEOPLE DETAINED AND THERE IS NO IMPUNITY.

BUT THAT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

THE GOVERNMENT'S OWN STATISTICS SHOW THAT MORE THAN 90% OF CRIMES IN MEXICO GO UNSOLVED.

FOR SONYA, A TIJUANA JOURNALIST, IT CREATES A MORBID REALITY.

WHATEVER THREATS, OBSTACLES TO THE WORK, WHOEVER KILLS A JOURNALIST, THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY OF IMPUNITY.

THE MEXICAN PRESIDENT ALSO ROUTINELY ATTACKS JOURNALISTS HE DOESN'T LIKE AS ENEMIES.

COVERING THIS IS AN ATTACK ON THE MEXICAN PEOPLE.

CRITICS SAY COMMENTS LIKE THOSE CONTRIBUTE TO THE VIOLENCE JUSHL JOURNALISTS FACE.

HOW MANY JOURNALISTS HAVE BEEN KILLED, HE SAYS?

A WHOLE LOT.

THAT'S THE TRUTH.

THAT UNCERTAINTY IS WITH HIM AS HE DRIVES AROUND TIJUANA EACH NIGHT.

HE SAYS THERE IS NOT MUCH CONFIDENCE IN THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROTECTION.

ARRIVING AT OUR LAST SCENE OF THE NIGHT, HE GOES THROUGH THE MOTIONS.

AND WE FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.

THE DRIVER OF THAT CAR RIGHT THERE THAT IS NOW ON THE SIDE, HE WAS SHOT WHILE ACTUALLY DRIVING THE CAR.

THAT WOULD MAKE THIS AT LEAST THE TENTH HOMICIDE THAT'S BEEN RECORDED IN TIJUANA IN JUST THE LAST 24 HOURS.

HE AND THE FELLOW JOURNAL USTS KNOW THEY CAN GO FROM COVERING VICTIMS TO BECOMING A VICTIM AT ANY MOMENT.

OUR THANKS TO MATT RIVERS FOR THAT REPORT.

AND FINALLY, THE QUEEN IS BACK.

BEYONCE IS RELEASING WHAT LOOKS LIKE FIRST SOLO ALBUM IN SIX YEARS.

THE NEWS THAT RENAISSANCE IS DROPPING ON JULY 29th CAME FROM TITLE, THE STREAMING SERVICE OWNED BY BEYONCE AND HER HUSBAND JAY-Z.

THE POST READING ACT ONE.

A HINT, PERHAPS, THAT THE PROJECT MIGHT COME IN MULTIPLE PARTS WHICH OBVIOUSLY SENT THE BEEHIVE INTO A FRENZY.

WE CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR IT.

AND THAT'S IT FOR OUR PROGRAM TONIGHT.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING US ON PBS.