October 11, 2024

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ISRAEL ATTACKS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN BEIRUT, THE DEADLIEST STRIKES THERE SINCE 2006.

CORRESPONDENT BEN WEDEMAN REPORTS FROM LEBANON.

>>> THEN 369 DAYS OF FAILURE.

"ATLANTIC" STAFF WRITER FRANKLIN FORD DISSECTS AMERICA'S FECKLESS MIDDLE EAST POLICY.

>>> AND AS ISRAEL'S BOMBS RAIN DOWN ON BEIRUT, CORRESPONDENT JOMANA KARACHI REPORTS ON MIGRANT FAMILIES THERE WITH NOWHERE TO GO.

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>>> HELLO, WELCOME TOTS PROGRAM, EVERYONE, I'M BIANNA GOLODRYGA IN NEW YORK SITTING IN FOR CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR.

AT LEAST 22 PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN AN OVERNIGHT ATTACK ON CENTRAL BEIRUT.

ISRAEL'S AIR STRIKE FLATTENED A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING IN A DENSELY POPULATED NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PEOPLE FROM THE HEZBOLLAH STRONGHOLD IN THE SOUTHERN SUBURBS FLED HOPING TO FIND A SAFE HAY VON.

NOW ISRAEL'S U.N.

ENVOY ACCESS ISRAEL OF USING TACTICS IN THEIR TERRITORY.

THEY CLAIM THE MAN ON THE RIGHT WAS THE TARGET OF ISRAEL'S ATTACK AND SAYS HE SURVIVED THE STRIKE.

MORE THAN 2,000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED IN LEBANON IN THE PAST YEAR ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH MINISTRY THERE.

OVER 42,000 PALESTINIANS IN GAZA WERE KILLED IN THAT SAME PERIOD.

MEANWHILE, ISRAEL FACES MORE INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION AFTER THE U.N. REPORTED FOUR PEACEKEEPERS WERE INJURED IN MULTIPLE ATTACKS IN SOUTHERN LEBANON.

THE ISRAELI MILITARY RESPONDED IN A SOCIAL MEDIA POST SAYING THE TROOPS WERE RESPONDING TO AN IMMEDIATE THREAT AND CLAIMING HEZBOLLAH OPERATES NEAR U.N. POST ENDANGERING U.N.

PERSONNEL.

CORRESPONDENT BEN WEDEMAN IS IN BEIRUT AND JOINS US WITH THE LATEST.

FIRST TO THIS MASSIVE STRIKE, THE LARGEST IN A NUMBER OF YEARS, BEN.

TELL US THE AFTERMATH AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AROUND YOU.

>> Reporter: JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, BIANNA, IT'S THE LARGEST STRIKE IN BEIRUT PROPER.

WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS IN THE SOUTHERN SUBURBS OF BEIRUT, BEHIND ME, ARE MANY, MANY LARGER STRIKES.

NOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO STRESS THAT TO CALL THE SOUTHERN SUBURBS OF BEIRUT A STRONGHOLD OF HEZBOLLAH IS NOT QUITE CORRECT BECAUSE IT IS HOME TO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST GOING ABOUT THEIR DAILY LIVES, WHO HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH HEZBOLLAH.

AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND US, IT'S A RELATIVELY QUIET EVENING IN BEIRUT, BUT THAT WAS NOT THE CASE LAST NIGHT WHERE THERE WERE THESE TWO STRIKES ON THE HEART OF BEIRUT.

ONE OF THEM WAS AN EIGHT-STORY BUILDING, A MISSILE TOOK OUT THE THIRD FLOOR.

THAT APPEARED TO BE A VERY TARGETED STRIKE.

BUT THE OTHER ONE, AS YOU MENTIONED, WAS A FOUR-STORY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING THAT SIMPLY COLLAPSED UPON ITS INHABITANTS, ITS RESIDENTS, MANY OF WHOM WE LEARNED FROM EYEWITNESSES AND NEIGHBORS HAD FLED OTHER PARTS OF BEIRUT, OTHER PARTS OF LEBANON, THINKING THAT THAT AREA OF BEIRUT WOULD BE SAFE.

WELL, CLEARLY IT WASN'T.

NOW, AS THE ISRAELI MEDIA WAS SAYING THAT AS WELL AS HEZBOLLAH, ODDLY ENOUGH, WERE SAYING THAT THE TARGET WAS SAFAH, ESSENTIALLY HEZBOLLAH'S DIPLOMAT WAS THE TARGET, HOWEVER, HEZBOLLAH SAYS THAT HE SURVIVED THAT STRIKE.

NOW, THAT'S THE SITUATION HERE IN BEIRUT.

IN THE SOUTH WE CONTINUE TO SEE INTENSE FIGHTING ALONG THE BORDER BETWEEN HEZBOLLAH FIGHTERS AND ISRAELI TROOPS INSIDE LEBANESE SOIL, PARTICULARLY WHERE WE WERE WE COULD SEE JUST ACROSS THE BAY SMOKE RISING FROM THE AREA AROUND THE HEADQUARTERS OF UNIFIL, THE UNITED NATIONS INTERIM FORCE FOR LEBANON, THAT HEADQUARTERS ALSO BEING THERE WAS ISRAELI FIRE VERY CLOSE TO THERE AND ONE OF THE U.N.

OBSERVATION POINTS, ONE OF THEIR TOWERS WAS STRUCK.

THAT INJURED TWO INDONESIAN PEACEKEEPERS.

IN FACT, I SPOKE TO SOME OF THOSE INDONESIAN PEACEKEEPERS THE OTHER DAY AND THEY HAD TOLD ME THAT THEY HAD UNTIL THAT POINT BEEN RELATIVELY LUCKY AND HAD NOT BEEN CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE IN THE SOUTH.

SO IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS AND VOLATILE SITUATION, MUCH OF THE SOUTH HAS NOT BEEN EMPTIED OF ITS INHABITANTS, BUT MANY, PROBABLY THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE, HAVE LEFT BECAUSE OF THESE MULTIPLE EVACUATION ORDERS BEING ISSUED BY THE ISRAELI MILITARY, IN ADDITION TO THE VERY INTENSE AND WIDE-SPREAD ISRAELI BOMBING OF THAT PART OF THE COUNTRY.

BIANNA?

>> YEAH, THE IDF REPORTS THAT 180 PROJECTILES WERE FIRED FROM LEBANON INTO ISRAEL TODAY ALONE.

CAN YOU TELL US MORE, BEN, ABOUT YOUR TIME IN TYRE, SPECIFICALLY IN SPEAKING WITH RESIDENTS THERE?

>> Reporter: YEAH, THEY -- I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO STAYED THERE, MANY OF THEM ARE ELDERLY, WHO SIMPLY ARE TIRED OF HAVING TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES AS THEY HAVE IN THE PAST.

ONE WOMAN HAD VERY VIVID MEMORIES OF 1982 DURING THE ISRAELI INVASION BACK THEN WHEN SHE WAS IN A HOUSE THAT WAS STRUCK BY AN ISRAELI BOMB AND SHE WAS CAUGHT UNDER THE RUBBLE.

THEY HAVE VERY VIVID MEMORIES OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND THERE IS A DEEP DREAD OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN.

THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY FOOT ON THE BRAKE, SO TO SPEAK, IN TERMS OF AN EFFECTIVE, REAL DIPLOMATIC EFFORT TO BRING ABOUT A CEASEFIRE.

WE HEAR WORDS FROM U.S. DIPLOMATS, BUT THE U.S.

POSITION ON TRYING TO WORK OUT SOME SORT OF HALT TO THE FIGHTING HAS, I CAN ONLY DESCRIBE IT AS IT'S BEEN FLACCID.

IT JUST HAS NOT BEEN THE KIND OF VIGOROUS DIPLOMATIC EFFORT I RECALL BACK IN 1982, CONDUCTED BY THE UNITED STATES DURING THE SIEGE OF WEST BEIRUT DURING 2006.

THAT WAR LASTED 34 DAYS.

THIS WAR, THE BIG WAR, THAT BEGAN IN GAZA IS NOW OVER A YEAR OLD AND MANY PEOPLE JUST LOOK TO THE UNITED STATES AND WONDER WHAT ARE THEY DOING?

WHY AREN'T THEY DOING ANYTHING?

AND YOU HEAR THAT REPEATEDLY IN THE SOUTH OF LEBANON WHERE PEOPLE ARE REALLY IN THE "FIRING LINE."

IT'S NOT LIKE BEIRUT WHERE THERE'S CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY WHERE YOU KNOW YOU'RE PRETTY SAFE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE HIT.

DOWN THERE ANY -- THE ISRAELIS HAVE PUT OUT WARNINGS, ANYBODY SEEN DRIVING SOUTH OF THE AWALI RIVER WHICH IS ABOUT 60 KILOMETERS NORTH OF THE ISRAELI BORDER, COULD BE A TARGET FOR THEIR DRONES.

IN FACT, WHEN YOU DRIVE ON THAT HIGHWAY FROM THE SOUTH THERE ARE CARS BY THE SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT HAVE BEEN STRUCK, AND MANY -- MUCH OF TYRE YOU SEE IS -- THERE'S BROKEN GLASS EVERYWHERE, RUBBLE IN THE STREETS.

MANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS UTTERLY ABANDONED BECAUSE OF, AS I SAID, THE BOMBING IN THE AREA AND THE REPEATED ORDERS FOR PEOPLE TO LEAVE.

BIANNA.

>> AND THE U.S. HAS BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL IN TRYING TO FIND ANY SORT OF DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION GOING BACK TO OCTOBER 8th IN THIS CASE WHEN HEZBOLLAH BEGAN LAUNCHING MISSILES INTO ISRAEL.

BEN WEDEMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

PERFECT SEGUE TO OUR NEXT CONVERSATION.

>>> AS THE WAR IN LEBANON CONTINUES TO ESCALATE, ISRAEL'S SECURITY COUNCIL MET TO DEBATE ITS RESPONSE TO IRAN'S MISSILE ATTACK.

SOURCES SAY THERE'S STILL NO FINAL DECISION.

THE WHITE HOUSE IS WATCHING CLOSELY AS PRESIDENT BIDEN URGES ISRAEL'S RESPONSE TO BE PROPORTIONAL.

FRANKLY FORD STAFF WRITER AT "THE ATLANTIC" MAGAZINE TAKES A LOOK AT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION'S EFFORTS TO INFLUENCE ISRAEL MORE THAN A YEAR AFTER THE OCTOBER 7th ATTACK THERE ARE STILL HOSTAGES IN GAZA, THE BRUTAL FIGHTING THERE CONTINUES AND THE MIDDLE EAST SEEMS TO BE ON THE CUSP OF REGIONAL WAR.

HE CALLS IT AN ANATOMY OF FAILURE IN HIS NEW ARTICLE TITLED "THE WAR THAT WOULD NOT END."

HE JOINS ME NOW FROM WASHINGTON.

REALLY DETAILED, FASCINATING AND TRAGIC READ, FRANKLIN.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU BEGIN THIS PIECE ON OCTOBER 6th WHERE THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WAS ON THE PRECIPICE OF WHAT IT VIEWED THEY WERE ABLE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS MONTHS AWAY ACHIEVE THAT ALL OF THEIR PREDECESSORS COULD NOT AND THAT IS SAUDI ARABIA NORMALIZING A DEAL, DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH ISRAEL IN EXCHANGE FOR A PALESTINIAN STATE AND THE SWEETENER WOULD BE SAUDI ARABIA AND THE UNITED STATES ENTERING A MUTUAL DEFENSE AGREEMENT.

ONE YEAR ON IS IT YOUR VIEW AT THIS POINT THAT IT WAS THIS DEAL THAT WAS THE IMPETUS FOR HAMAS LAUNCHING ITS ATTACK THE VERY NEXT DAY?

>> IT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE CAUSES THAT ENTERED INTO HAMAS' CALCULATION.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT ISRAELI SOCIETY WAS COMPLETELY DIVIDED BECAUSE BENJAMIN NETANYAHU HAD PUSHED FORWARD CONSTITUTIONAL REFORMS AND THERE WERE MARCHES IN THE STREET, THERE WAS TALK THAT RESERVISTS WOULDN'T SHOW UP FOR DUTY BECAUSE THEY WERE SO UPSET WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL REFORMS THAT WERE BEING PROP PROPELLED.

YAHYA SINWAR THE HEAD OF HAMAS IN GAZA SAW THIS MOMENT OF BOTH WEAKNESS AND A MOMENT WHERE HE WAS POTENTIALLY GETTING HEMMED IN BY THIS NORMALIZATION DEAL.

>> WE KNOW NOW THAT TO MASTERMIND AN ATTACK THE WAY THEY DID IN SUCH A LARGE SCALE WITH THE DETAIL IN THE TUNNEL SYSTEMS ALONE IN GAZA WOULD HAVE TAKEN YEARS TO PUT TOGETHER.

YOU WRITE IN THE PIECE, THE OCTOBER 7th TAP HAD SAPPED NETANYAHU OF SELF-CONFIDENCE.

IT HAD TAKEN HIM MORE THAN A WEEK TO MEET WITH HOSTAGES' FAMILIES, HE WAS AVOIDING THE PUBLIC WHICH BLAMED HIM FOR THE SECURITY FAILURE.

IT WAS AFTER BIDEN ARRIVED IN TEL AVIV, HE WASN'T JUST BUCKING UP THE PRIME MINISTER HE WAS IN EFFECT EXECUTING THE PARTS OF THE JOB THAT NETANYAHU COULDN'T MANAGE IN HIS STUNNED DETACHMENT.

BUT AS YOU GO ON TO WRITE, AS WE SAW THE OLD NETANYAHU RESURFACED VERY QUICKLY AND DESPITE THE WARM BEAR HUG, THE TIGHT BEAR HUG BETWEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND NETANYAHU, THEY HAVE A HISTORY THAT GOES BACK FOR MANY YEARS, AS COMPLEX AS IT IS, EVEN IN THOSE EARLY DAYS AFTER OCTOBER 7th THE U.S. WAS SHOWCASING ITS SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL, BUT VERY EARLY ON ALSO HINTING AT ITS LACK OF TRUST IN ITS PRIME MINISTER.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

SO ON THE TRIP THAT YOU DESCRIBE BIDEN GOES INTO THE ISRAELI WAR CABINET TO TALK ABOUT PLANNING THE COMING CAMPAIGN IN GAZA.

SO IN EFFECT IT'S -- AT LEAST AS A MATTER OF OPTICS, HE'S DESCENDING, TAKING SOME FORM OF OWNERSHIP OVER THIS WAR, WHICH THAT SENSE OF OWNERSHIP WOULD CONTINUE TO HAUNT HIM UNTIL THE PRESENT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, AT THE EARLIEST DAYS OF THIS WAR, THE ADMINISTRATION HAD THIS CLEAR SENSE OF EVERYTHING THAT COULD GO WRONG.

THEY COULD SEE THAT ISRAEL WAS ABOUT -- DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A PLAN FOR INVADING GAZA SITTING THE SHELF, THEY WERE IMPROVISING THEIR MILITARY PLANS ON THE FLY AS THEY WERE TRAUMATIZING, EXPERIENCING THIS INCREDIBLE SENSE OF ANGER AND SHAME.

THEY WERE ENTERING INTO TERRITORY THAT WAS INCREDIBLY FAMILIAR TO THE UNITED STATES.

THE UNITED STATES HAD FOUGHT IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN AGAINST ISIS IN -- IN DENSE URBAN THEATERS, WHERE THEY WERE FIGHTING AGAINST OPPONENTS WHO WOULD HIDE AMONG CIVILIANS.

THEY COULD SEE THE WAYS IN WHICH THIS WOULD EXACT A TREMENDOUS TOLL ON THE PEOPLE OF GAZA AND ALSO POSED REAL RISKS FOR THE ISRAELIS THAT THEY WOULD BECOME OVEREXTENDED OR MIGHT END UP LOSING A CAMPAIGN THAT EVERYBODY EXPECTED THEM TO WIN.

>> SURE ENOUGH FIVE MONTHS IN YOU WRITE THAT BIDEN FELT HOOD WINKED.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW?

>> SO AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE WAR THE SENSE THAT THE ISRAELIS PROJECTED TO THE AMERICANS WAS THAT EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN WRAPPED UP BY LAST CHRISTMAS, AND THE WAR JUST KEPT EXTENDING ON AND BIDEN KEPT ASKING FOR CERTAIN THINGS FROM THE ISRAELIS AND TO SOME EXTENT THEY SAID, OKAY, WE CAN DELIVER THESE THINGS FOR YOU, BUT THEY OFTEN NEVER DELIVERED WHAT BIDEN WAS ASKING FOR, AND THE CAMPAIGN JUST EXTENDED ON.

WHAT I WAS DESCRIBING IN THAT MOMENT WAS THE ISRAELIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS LAST YEAR SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE THEIR CAMPAIGN INTO RAFAH, WHICH WAS PART OF THEIR INITIAL BATTLE PLANS AND PERHAPS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THOSE WERE WHERE THE SMUGGLING TUNNELS THAT WERE RESUPPLYING THEM WERE.

THEY HADN'T ADDRESSED THEM THEN, DECIDED TO ADDRESS THEM LATER AND BIDEN JUST SAID, LOOK, THIS THING JUST KEEPS EXPANDING AND IT'S EXPANDING BEYOND WHAT YOU PROMISED ME.

>> WHAT'S INTERESTING IN A CONVERSATION THAT YOU HAD WITH JOURNALIST EZRA KLEIN ON HIS PODCAST WAS THE CONVERSATION YOU HAD ABOUT COUNTERFACTUALS AND WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF THE U.S. REALLY DID PUBLICLY NOT ONLY ADMONISH ISRAEL FOR HOW IT WAS CONDUCTING THE WAR BUT ALSO WITHHOLD NECESSARY WEAPONS.

WOULD ISRAEL CHANGE COURSE?

WOULD THE WAR PLANNING AND STRATEGY CHANGE?

WOULD WE BE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION RIGHT NOW?

OF COURSE, WE WILL NEVER KNOW, BUT I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND THE FACT THAT IT COULD HAVE ALSO HAD THE REVERSE EFFECT, THAT ISRAEL COULD HAVE STILL KEPT THE COURSE, GONE ON ITS OWN, AS THE PRIME MINISTER HAS SAID THAT HE WILL DO THIS WITH OR WITHOUT WESTERN SUPPORT AND PERHAPS HIS OWN POPULARITY INTERNALLY WOULD HAVE GONE UP.

>> THERE'S THAT, AND I THINK THAT ISRAEL IS FIGHTING IN ITS NATIONAL INTERESTS, SO WHATEVER THE UNITED STATES DOES IS NOT SIMPLY GOING TO DICTATE POLICY.

THERE IS NO SWITCH THAT CAN BE FLIPPED.

AND IT EXISTS IN THIS MUCH LARGER CONTEXT, THE UNITED STATES DOES NOT WANT IRANIAN PROXIES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ISRAELI WEAKNESS AND ATTACK IT.

SO FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE WAR THE U.S. AND THE ISRAELIS TRIED THEIR BEST TO SUBMERGE WHATEVER DIFFERENCES OF OPINIONS THAT THEY HAD BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID THAT IRAN AND HEZBOLLAH AND THE HOUTHIS WOULD EXPLOIT ANY SENSE OF WEAKNESS.

>> CAN I RAISE ANOTHER COUNTERFACTUAL, AND THAT IS -- >> PLEASE.

>> -- WHAT THIS WAR WOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE WITH A DIFFERENT ISRAELI GOVERNMENT.

HAD OCTOBER 7th HAPPENED, FROM EVERYONE I'VE SPOKEN WITH, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE U.S. AND PRESIDENT BIDEN KEPT ON REITERATING LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES, YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY WAGE A COUNTERTERRORISM CAMPAIGN INSTEAD OF GOING ALL IN, INTO GAZA, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE I'VE SPOKEN WITH, AND MANY OF THEM WHO ARE NOT SUPPORTERS OF NETANYAHU, SAY FOR THE MOST PART AT LEAST UP UNTIL THE LAST FEW MONTHS WHEN THE QUESTION OVER HIS PRIORITIZING THE HOSTAGES CAME TO THE FLOOR, THIS WAR WOULD HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED RATHER SIMILARLY TO HOW IT HAD BEEN.

I'M WONDERING IF WE'VE OVERSIMPLIFIED ONE MAN AND HOW CONTROVERSIAL AND POLARIZING PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU IS, IN EXCHANGE FOR HOW MANY ISRAELIS LIKELY WOULD HAVE FORECAST THIS WAR GOING ON.

>> I'M SURE THAT THERE IS SOME EXTENT TO WHICH THE SPLIT BETWEEN NETANYAHU AND THE REST OF THE ISRAELI -- HAS BEEN EXAGGERATED BUT JUST TO POINT YOU IN THE DIRECTION OF TWO SPECIFIC THINGS, THE FIRST IS THAT THERE WAS ALL THIS PRESSURE TO DO A HOSTAGE DEAL.

A HOSTAGE DEAL WAS EXTREMELY POPULAR, AND OF COURSE THAT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED A CEASEFIRE AS PART OF IT.

I THINK THERE WERE OTHER POLITICAL LEADERS WHO WERE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO CUT THAT DEAL THAN NETANYAHU TURNED OUT TO BE.

AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS THAT ONE OF THE MOST IRKSOME THINGS ABOUT NETANYAHU'S LEADERSHIP DURING THIS WAR AS FAR AS THE AMERICANS AND ARAB ALLIES ARE CONCERNED IS HIS ABJECT REFUSAL TO TALK ABOUT A DAY AFTER.

>> YEAH.

>> AND SO PART OF THE REASON THAT THE WAR DRAGS ON IS THERE IS NO VISION FOR WHAT COULD COME ON THE DAY AFTER IT ENDS.

THAT'S, I THINK, A HUGE FAILURE THAT RESTS ON HIS SHOULDERS.

>> OR HOW ATTAINABLE HIS COMPLETE VICTORY LINE REALLY IS AT THIS POINT ONE YEAR IN, ISRAEL'S LONGEST WAR.

YOU MENTIONED THE HOSTAGES, 101 REMAIN IN GAZA, AT LEAST HALF AT THIS POINT ARE BELIEVED TO STILL BE ALIVE.

GIVEN THAT THIS WAR HAS ONLY EXPANDED BEYOND JUST GAZA NOW INTO LEBANON AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING A STRIKE RESPONSE TO IRAN STRIKING ISRAEL IMMINENTLY, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN, ESPECIALLY AMONG THE HOSTAGE FAMILIES, BUT EVEN THOSE IN GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD THAT THESE HOSTAGES ARE BEING FORGOTTEN AND RACHEL GOLDBERG-POLIN, THE MOTHER OF HERSH GOLDBERG-POLIN GAVE AN INTERVIEW HOW SHE TALKED ABOUT HER SON, HOW HE WAS FOUND DEAD, BULLET-RIDDEN WITH THE OTHER FIVE HOSTAGES, THEY WERE EMACIATED DESPITE BEING 6 FEET TALL HE WEIGHED 53 KILOGRAMS WHEN HE WAS BURIED.

HERE IS WHAT SHE SAID IN DESCRIBING HER FRUSTRATION AND DISAPPOINTMENT WITH LEADERSHIP WHO SHE SAID FAILED HER SON AND SHE DIDN'T WANT THEM NECESSARILY AT HIS FUNERAL.

SHE SAID I WOULD CHALLENGE THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO COME TO US AFTER THEY CHOSE NOT TO SAVE THE SIX HOSTAGES, YOU HAVE 101 CHANCES NOW.

DO IT.

THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WE HAVE REPORTED IN GREAT DETAIL AS TO HOW MUCH OF A PRIORITY THIS WAS NOT BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, TO PRESIDENT BIDEN.

YOU TALK ABOUT JAKE SULLIVAN IN PARTICULAR AS IT RELATES TO HERSH GOLDBERG-POLIN.

CAN YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH THE IMPACT OF THE HOSTAGES THEMSELVES AND THE NEWS OF THE MURDER OF THESE SIX HOSTAGES JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO.

>> SO I THINK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION, YOU TALK ABOUT JAKE SULLIVAN IN PARTICULAR, I SAW THIS IN MY TRAVEL TO THE MIDDLE EAST WITH TONY BLINKEN.

HE WOULD MEET WITH HOSTAGE FAMILIES AND THEY WOULD CHANT JUST THAT THEY WERE RELYING ON BLINKEN AND BIDEN TO LISTEN TO THEM BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WHO HAD THEIR BACK.

THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT HAD THEIR BACK.

THE THING THAT JUST, I THINK, TEARS AT ME AND SHOULD TEAR AT US ALL IS THAT LAST AUGUST THERE WAS THIS MOMENT WHERE BIDEN WAS ABLE TO BRING NETANYAHU ALONG TO A PLACE WHERE HE SEEMED READY TO DEAL WITH HAMAS.

HAMAS, WHICH IS ALSO A MAJOR, MAJOR OBSTACLE CONSTANTLY TO A HOSTAGE DEAL, SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE READY, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE HOSTAGES WERE MURDERED.

THE MURDER OF THOSE HOSTAGES JUST SEEMED TO SET EVERYTHING, VERY UNDERSTANDABLY, OFF COURSE.

WHEN I TALK TO ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS NOW IT FEELS AS IF THERE IS NO HOPE FOR A DEAL BETWEEN NOW AND THE ELECTION.

AND SO EVERYTHING THAT RACHEL SAYS IS TRUE AND THAT OPPORTUNITY MAY OR MAY NOT BE THERE, BUT THERE'S NO SENSE OF URGENCY ON THEIR BEHALF.

>> FOLLOWING THE NEWS OF THE MURDER OF THE SIX HOSTAGES, ESPECIALLY HERSH GOLDBERG YOU WRITE THAT JAKE SULLIVAN SAID I FAILED.

HE THOUGHT TO HIMSELF I HAVE OBJECTIVELY FAILED.

IN THE FINAL MOMENTS THAT WE HAVE TOGETHER APPROLET ME ASK Y ABOUT THE NEXT PHASE OF THIS WAR AND THE CONCERNS THAT THE U.S. ADMINISTRATION MAY HAVE ABOUT WHAT A LARGER WAR BETWEEN ISRAEL AND IRAN MAY LOOK LIKE AND THE U.S.'S ROLE IN THAT ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT THE TAKE AWAY FROM YOUR PIECE IS THAT AMERICA'S LEVERAGE OVER ISRAEL IS VASTLY OVERSTATED.

>> YES.

SO I THINK ONE THING THAT'S HAPPENING IN LEBANON RIGHT NOW IS THAT AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE RISK OF A POSSIBLE ESCALATION THERE THE UNITED STATES HUSHED HARD FOR A CEASEFIRE AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY PUSHED HARD FOR A CEASEFIRE IS THAT THEY HAD A VERY DIM EXPECTATION OF WHAT ISRAEL COULD ACHIEVE IN A BATTLE AGAINST HEZBOLLAH.

THEN THE PAGERS HAPPENED, THE WALKIE-TALKIES, THE DEATH -- THE MURDER OF HASSAN NASRALLAH, THE DECAPITATION OF HEZBOLLAH'S LEADERSHIP AND ALONG THE WAY THE UNITED STATES GAVE ISRAEL A LONGER LEASH, IF YOU WILL, TO GO PURSUE ITS POLICY THERE BECAUSE IT AGREED WITH THE ULTIMATE OBJECTIVES OF WEAKENING HEZBOLLAH.

AS IT RELATES TO IRAN, I THINK THAT THERE IS PROBABLY SOME DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE ISRAELIS, BUT THE ISRAELIS ARE ON THE CUSP OF EXECUTING SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN'T REALLY DO ON THEIR OWN.

SO IT'S ESSENTIAL THAT THEY HAVE THIS CONTINUED COORDINATION WITH THE UNITED STATES.

NOT ONLY BECAUSE THEY NEED THE UNITED STATES AND ALLIES PROBABLY TO EXECUTE WHATEVER RETALIATORY STRIKE THEY MOUNT IN IRAN, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IF IRAN WERE TO RETALIATE AGAINST ISRAEL AGAIN, THEY NEED U.S. AIR DEFENSES TO HELP PROTECT ISRAEL.

>> YEAH, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SO MANY U.S. ASSETS IN THE REGION AS WE SPEAK.

A REALLY SOBERING READ AND PEACE, FRANKLY FOER.

IT'S BEEN A YEAR OF DEVASTATION AND HEART BREAK, YOU TALK ABOUT THE HOSTAGES, TALK ABOUT THE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS NOW IN GAZA AND THE TENS OF THOUSANDS DEAD THERE AND NOW THE WAR JUST CONTINUING AND EXPANDING IN THE REGION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR WRITING THIS PIECE.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> AS THE CONFLICT IN LEBANON DEEPENS MIGRANT WORKERS, PREDOMINANTLY WOMEN ARE AT SERIOUS RISK.

WHEN ISRAEL BEGAN INTENSIVELY BOMBING BEIRUT'S SOUTHERN SUBURBS MANY PEOPLE FLED LEAVING THEIR DOMESTIC WORKERS TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES.

CORRESPONDENT JOMANA KARACHI REPORTS ON THIS SITUATION.

>> BABY ABDUL'S LIFE HAS BARELY BEGUN AND YET WHEN HE HEARS BOMBS HE POINTS TO THE SKY.

>> HOPE, LIKE THE SOUND.

>> Reporter: HIS MOTHER ARE ONE OF MANY MIGRANT FAMILIES LEFT WITH NOWHERE TO GO IN LEBANON.

THEY SAY THEY'VE BEEN ABANDONED BY THEIR EMPLOYERS.

>> THEY GO.

ALL OF THEM GO.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GO.

>> Reporter: NIGHT AFTER NIGHT, DAY AFTER DAY, ISRAEL'S MISSILES ARE RAINING DOWN ON THE LEBANESE CAPITAL OF BEIRUT, THEY'RE HITTING THE SOUTHERN SUBURBS HARDEST, IT'S WHERE HEZBOLLAH HAS A STRONG PRESENCE, BUT IT'S ALSO WHERE MANY MIGRANT WORKERS LIVE.

MIGRANT WORKERS CNN SPOKE TO DESCRIBED HOW THEIR EMPLOYERS FLED FOR SAFETY WHILE THEY WERE LEFT BEHIND TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES WITHOUT THE MEANS OR PAPERWORK TO LEAVE.

THE U.N.'S INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR MIGRATION ESTIMATES THAT THERE ARE AROUND 170,000 MIGRANT WORKERS IN LEBANON AND THEY'RE PREDOMINANTLY WOMEN.

THE SPONSORSHIP SYSTEM USED IN LEBANON, JORDAN AND MANY GULF COUNTRIES GIVES EMPLOYERS ALMOST TOTE SAL CONTROL OVER THEIR FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT.

SOME WORKERS TOLD CNN THEY WERE REFUSED ENTRY TO OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT SHELTERS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LEBANESE.

MANY RESORTED TO SLEEPING ON THE STREETS.

THE LEBANESE GOVERNMENTS REJECTED ANY ACCUSATIONS OF DISCRIMINATION BETWEEN DISPLACED PEOPLE.

>> AS YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THEM HAVE ALL OF THEIR STUFF WITH THEM AND SOME HAVE LITERALLY NOTHING.

HEY, MAMA.

HI.

>> Reporter: VOLUNTEERS HAVE STEPPED IN WHERE CONSULATES AND EMBASSIES HAVE FAILED TO RESPOND.

IDENTIFYING BUILDINGS TO USE AS MAKESHIFT SHELTERS IN A COUNTRY WHERE SO-CALLED SAFE PLACES ARE SHRINKING BY THE DAY.

>> THIS IS THE AREA WHERE WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT COMMUNAL BEDROOM WHERE EVERYBODY IS SLEEPING.

>> Reporter: THIS GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS SAY THEY'RE NOW HELPING ALMOST 150 WOMEN AND 6 BABIES FROM SIERRA LEONE PROVIDING BASICS THINGS LIKE MATTRESSES, A PLACE TO COOK AND ELECTRICITY TO CHARGE THEIR PHONES.

>> IF YOU NEED ANYTHING COME TO ONE OF US.

>> Reporter: BUT SUPPLIES ARE RUNNING OUT, RESOURCES OVERWHELMED.

THIS FAMILY FROM NORTHERN SYRIA ARE ONE OF MANY WHO SOUGHT SHELTER IN A GARDEN CLOSE TO A SQUARE IN DOWNTOWN BEIRUT AFTER THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE SOUTHERN SUBURBS KNOWN AS DAHIEH CAME UNDER FIRE.

THEY'RE ONE OF MANY THEY ARE SEEK TO GO HELP.

>> A LOT ARE UNDOCUMENTED AND HAVE EXPIRED PAPERS FOR IN SOME CASES UP TO A DECADE.

EVEN IF THERE ARE ATTEMPTS FROM THE SENDING COUNTRY'S GOVERNMENT TO EVACUATE THEIR CITIZENS MOST MIGRANT WORKERS HAVE EXPIRED PAPERS THAT NEED PENALTY FEES PAID.

THE PENALTY FEES CAN GO UP TO SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS.

>> Reporter: ACROSS THE CITY IN THE MOUNTAINS 1,000 METERS ABOVE BEIRUT A CONVENT HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A TEMPORARY SHELTER FOR THESE MIGRANT WORKERS MANY FROM ETHIOPIA, SUDAN, SRI LANKA AND BANGLADESH.

THIS MOTHER IS ONLY TOO AWARE HOW WAR HAS DOMINATED HER DAUGHTER'S SHORT LIFE.

>> Reporter: MEAN WHILE IN THE CORNER OF A FIRST-FLOOR ROOM ASHA FROM ETHIOPIA AND HER HUSBAND TO HOLD THEIR 4 MONTH OLD TWINS.

THE FAMILY WERE FORCED TO FLEE THEIR HOME IN SOUTH LEBANON AS ISRAELI BOMBING INCREASED.

THE CONVENT IS ONLY A TEMPORARY SHELTER.

>> Reporter: THE CASE OF THE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS IN LEBANON IS GROWING.

AUTHORITIES SAY OVER 1.2 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISPLACED SINCE FIGHTING ESCALATED LAST MONTH.

LIVING ROOMS NOW REDUCED TO MAKESHIFT TENTS BY THE SIDE OF BUSY ROADS.

MANY OF THOSE WHO CAME TO LEBANON IN SEARCH OF A BETTER LIFE NOW WANT NOTHING BUT TO LEAVE.

>> THAT IMAGE OF THAT BABY SWINGING THERE, WOW.

OUR THANKS TO JAWOMANA FOR THAT REPORT.

>>> AS THE RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE CONTINUES SO DOES MISINFORMATION.

DONALD TRUMP RECENTLY MADE CLAIMS THAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS VIE DYE VERGT RELIEF FOR THOSE AFFECTED BY HURRICANES.

THE STATE'S GOVERNOR MIKE DeWINE HAS DENIED CLAIMS AND EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR HAITIAN MIGRANTS.

HE JOINS WALTER ISAACSON TO DISCUSS.

>> THANK YOU, BIANNA.

GOVERNOR MIKE DeWINE, WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SPRINGFIELD, OHIO, A PLACE NEAR AND DEAR TO YOUR HEART.

YOU AND YOUR WIFE FRAN LIVED THERE YOUR ENTIRE LIVES ALMOST OR NEAR THERE AND WE HAD THE SITUATION WHERE DONALD TRUMP AND THEN J.D.

VANCE, YOUR HOME STATE SENATOR, STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE HAITIANS EATING PETS AND DOGS AND YOU STEPPED IN AND SAID, NO, THE MAYOR SAYS THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.

YOU SAID IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

BUT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU PERSONALLY SINCE YOU'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED WITH THE HAITIAN COMMUNITY AND THE REVIVAL OF SPRINGFIELD.

TELL ME HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT ALL OF THIS NOW.

>> WELL, FORTUNATELY I THINK THAT RHETORIC HAS CALMED DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND I HOPE IT STAYS CALMED DOWN.

YOU KNOW, I HAD TO DEFEND SPRINGFIELD.

I HAD TO DEFEND MY STATE.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE NOT EATING DOGS, OR CATS, AND, YOU KNOW, THE HAITIANS WHO ARE HERE ARE EMPLOYED.

THEY CAME HERE TO WORK.

THEY WANT TO WORK.

THEY DO A VERY, VERY GOOD JOB IF YOU TALK TO THE EMPLOYERS.

THEY WERE VERY MUCH NEEDED TO KEEP THE ECONOMY MOVING.

>> WELL, WAIT.

WHY WOULD TRUMP AND VANCE SAY THAT, THEN?

DID THEY NOT KNOW THAT?

>> YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

I CAN'T GUESS.

BUT IT BECAME, YOU KNOW, SO VISIBLE AND PEOPLE HEARD IT ACROSS THE COUNTRY OF COURSE DURING THE -- DURING THE DEBATE AND THEN AFTER THAT, THAT I JUST FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY WHAT THE FACTS ARE AND THIS WAS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

THESE THINGS THEY WERE SAYING WERE SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

AND WE FACE REAL CHALLENGES IN SPRINGFIELD, THE HAITIANS HAVE, YOU KNOW, REALLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE ECONOMY, THEY'VE HELPED IN MANY, MANY WAYS, BUT WHEN YOU PUT AN ADDITIONAL 12, 15,000 PEOPLE IN A CITY OF ONLY 58,000 AND DO THAT OVER A THREE-YEAR PERIOD OF TIME OR SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SOME NATURAL CHALLENGES THAT YOU FACE.

>> WHEN THESE NOT TRUE THINGS WERE SAID IT CAUSED BOMB THREATS.

YOU HAD TO CLOSE SOME OF THE SCHOOLS.

YOU HAD TO PUT THE STATE TROOPERS THERE.

I THINK THE COMMUNITY COLLEGES HAD TO GO ON REMOTE.

DO YOU THINK SOME OF THOSE SCARES, SOME OF THEM ARE PROBABLY FOREIGN -- YOU KNOW, CAME FROM FOREIGN INSTIGATORS, BUT DO YOU THINK SOME PEOPLE WERE MOTIVATED BY HEARING DONALD TRUMP SAY THIS ABOUT HAITIANS EATING PETS AND THAT IT CAUSED -- HELPED CAUSE THESE PROBLEMS TO SOME EXTENT?

>> WELL, WE SAW A LOT OF THESE THREATS COMING FROM OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES.

I THINK THAT ANYTIME WE HAVE PEOPLE IN COUNTRIES, WE WON'T NAME NAMES, BUT WHO WANT TO CAUSE US PROBLEMS, AND I THINK WHEN THEY SEE AN OPPORTUNITY THEY ACT, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SAW -- >> BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DOMESTIC PEOPLE WHO DID IT.

>> SURE.

>> DO YOU THINK IN SOME WAYS THERE'S SOME RESPONSIBILITY ON TRUMP AND VANCE FOR HELPING SORT OF GIN THESE PEOPLE UP?

>> WELL, I JUST THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO COOL THE RHETORIC AND CALM IT DOWN.

YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY WHY SOMEONE WAS MOTIVATED OR WHY -- WHAT THEY DID, BUT WHAT'S HAPPENED NOW IS WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT FOR THE LAST TEN DAYS, 12 DAYS, AND THAT'S A VERY, VERY GOOD THING.

YOU KNOW, WHAT MOTIVATES PEOPLE DOMESTICALLY TO MAKE THOSE CALLS OR WHAT MOTIVATES THEM OVERSEAS, I GUESS, WE WILL NEVER REALLY KNOW, BUT WE REACTED BECAUSE WE HAD TO.

YOU KNOW, PARENTS DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE, TEACHERS DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE, SO WE PUT -- AS YOU SAID, WE PUT MEMBERS OF THE OHIO STATE HIGHWAY PATROL DIRECTLY INTO THOSE SCHOOLS AND IT WORKED.

WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP THE SCHOOLS OPEN WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

I THINK PARENTS AND STUDENTS AND EVERYONE ELSE -- TEACHERS FELT MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE WE DID THAT.

>> YOU KNOW J.D.

VANCE QUITE WELL, YOU ARE FROM THE SAME STATE, YOU'VE WORKED WITH HIM QUITE A BIT AND EVEN SUPPORTED HIM.

HAVE YOU TALKED TO HIM ON THIS?

>> NO.

NO.

I HAVE NOT TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THIS.

YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T THINK FRANKLY THAT WOULD DO ANY GOOD.

>> WAIT.

WAIT.

WHY WOULDN'T IT DO ANY GOOD?

>> WELL, THEY KEPT TALKING ABOUT IT.

THEY KEPT TALKING ABOUT IT AND DIDN'T STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.

THEY FINALLY DID.

BUT I THINK IF YOU'D LOOK AT THE BIGGER PROBLEM, THE BIGGER -- I'M GOING TO PUT THIS MAYBE IN CONTEXT.

WE HAVE NOT IN THIS COUNTRY BEEN ABLE TO CONTROL THE SOUTHERN BORDER.

YOU KNOW, I PUBLICLY SAID THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT DONE WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE IN REGARD TO THE SOUTHERN BORDER.

BUT WE'VE SEEN THIS FOR A LONG TIME FOR THE PROBLEM OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS HAS CLOUDED AND FRANKLY STOPPED US FROM DOING ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVELY IN REGARD TO REFORM ABOUT LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

WE AS A COUNTRY HAVE A RIGHT TO CONTROL WHO COMES INTO THIS COUNTRY, BUT WE REALLY HAVE NOT HAD A GOOD DEBATE ABOUT THAT OR DISCUSSION EVEN ABOUT THAT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

I THINK IT'S FRANKLY THE PROBLEM WITH THE ILLEGAL KIND OF PERMEATES EVERY DISCUSSION AND WE NEVER CAN GET DOWN TO WHO SHOULD BE IN THIS COUNTRY.

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THE HAITIAN RIGHT SIDE HERE, THEY'RE HERE LEGALLY.

WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO FACE OPPRESSION OR VIOLENCE OR GREAT DANGER IN THEIR COUNTRY WHO ARE ALSO HERE LEGALLY.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW, THOUGH.

I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS IN GRADE SCHOOL AND THE HUNGARY REVOLUTION AND THE TANKS CAME IN FROM THE SOVIET UNION AND THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO FLED.

WE LET THEM INTO THE UNITED STATES.

WE DID THE SAME THING WHEN CASTRO CAME TO POWER AND WE WANTED TO HELP THE PEOPLE -- THE CUBANS WHO WERE FLEEING FROM CASTRO.

WE'VE DONE IT THROUGHOUT OUR HISTORY.

SO THERE'S NOTHING REALLY NEW ABOUT SINGLING OUT PEOPLE WHO ARE FACING GREAT OPPRESSION, GREAT VIOLENCE, GREAT, GREAT DANGER AND SAYING WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU COME INTO THE UNITED STATES.

>> YOU AND YOUR WIFE HAVE A PERSONAL INTEREST IN THIS.

YOU'VE BEEN TO HAITI MAYBE 20 TIMES, I THINK.

YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF PEOPLE SEEKING ASYLUM.

TELL ME HOW THAT HAS INFORMED YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS.

>> WELL, I WOULD HOPE THAT IF THE FOLKS WHO CAME TO SPRINGFIELD WERE FROM SOME OTHER COUNTRY AND FLEEING OPPRESSION THERE THAT MY REACTION WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME.

I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, FRAN AND I HAVE BEEN TO HAITI OVER 20 TIMES, WE WORKED WITH A CATHOLIC PRIEST IN HAITI WHO IS IN A VERY, VERY POOR SECTION OF PORT-AU-PRINCE AND HE HAS ABOUT 5,000 STUDENTS WHO GO TO SCHOOL AND WE'VE WORKED WITH HIM FOR MANY YEARS.

HE DOES THE LORD'S WORK.

HE DOES AMAZING WORK.

I THINK IT GIVES ME A BETTER PERSPECTIVE.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN FROM HAITI TODAY, THERE HAS NOT BEEN REALLY GOOD HEALTH CARE, I GUESS, EVER IN HAITI, BUT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS IT'S GOTTEN A LOT WORSE BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THE PRESIDENT OF HAITI WAS MURDERED, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF HAITIAN DOCTORS WHO HAVE JUST FLED THE COUNTRY.

SO THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO SPRINGFIELD HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, HAD THE BENEFIT OF SIGNIFICANT HEALTH CARE, AND THAT, AGAIN, IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING, THE HOSPITAL IS DOING A GREAT JOB, WE HAVE OTHER CLINICS THAT ARE DOING A GREAT JOB AND THIS IS -- IT'S A PROCESS.

WE'RE WORKING ON IT.

>> DONALD TRUMP SAYS IF HE IS ELECTED HE'S GOING TO GET RID OF THIS STATUS FOR HAITIANS, WHICH IS THAT THEY'RE HERE LEGALLY, HE'S GOING TO TRY TO DEPORT THEM ALL.

DO YOU SUPPORT THAT?

>> NO, I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THAT AND I WILL TELL YOU IF YOU WAVED A WAND AND EVERY ONE OF THE HAITIANS THAT CAME TO SPRINGFIELD WAS GONE, WE WOULD SEE A LOT OF OUR COMPANIES WHO WOULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO WORK.

A LOT OF OUR COMPANIES WHO WOULD GO FROM TWO SHIFTS DOWN TO ONE SHIFT.

SO A LOT OF THE PROGRESS WE'VE SEEN MADE IN SPRINGFIELD, AND THIS IS -- AS YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY A MANUFACTURING CITY, BUT A CITY BEGINNING ABOUT 1970 THAT REALLY STARTED GOING DOWN AS FAR AS THE EMPLOYMENT AND DOWN IN POPULATION.

WE'VE SEEN A TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT OF THAT IN THE LAST FIVE, SEVEN, TEN YEARS WHERE NEW COMPANIES HAVE COME IN, COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE, MANUFACTURERS HAVE EXPANDED.

SPRINGFIELD HAS A LOT OF STRATEGIC ADVANTAGES.

IT'S VERY CLOSE TO COLUMBUS, 45 MINUTES FROM COLUMBUS WHICH IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING CITIES IN THE COUNTRY.

WE'RE CLOSE TO WRITE PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE WHICH EMPLOYS A HUGE CIVILIAN POPULATION, GONE FROM 19,000 TO 21,000 IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.

THIS AREA OF STATE IS BOOMING AND OHIO IS MOVING FORWARD.

IF YOU WOULD INSTANTLY TAKE THOSE HAITIANS OUT WHO GO TO WORK EVERY SINGLE DAY AND WANT TO WORK, WANT TO WORK VERY, VERY HARD, A LOT OF THOSE COMPANIES WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND IT WOULD CERTAINLY HURT US.

>> IN 2019 YOU SIGNED A LAW THAT PROHIBITS ABORTION AFTER THE SIX WEEKS OF PREGNANCY.

BEFORE MANY WOMEN KNOW THAT THEY'RE PREGNANT.

AND IT CONTAINS NO EXCEPTIONS FOR THE VICTIMS OF RAPE OR INCEST.

A JUDGE LATER TEMPORARILY BLOCKED THAT BAN, LEAVING ABORTION LEGAL UP TO 22 WEEKS.

THEN LAST YEAR THE VOTERS OF YOUR STATE BY A PRETTY LARGE MAJORITY, 57%, OPTED TO ENSHRINE ABORTION RIGHTS INTO THE STATE'S CONSTITUTION.

HOW DO YOU SEE THIS PLAYING OUT FOR REPUBLICANS AND THE ELECTORATE NOW?

>> WELL, TO ME THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING.

I MEAN, I AM -- I AM PRO-LIFE, WHICH MEANS THAT I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PROTECT HUMAN LIFE.

IT'S WHAT I TRIED TO DO DURING COVID.

IT'S WHAT I'VE TRIED TO DO IN EXPANDING CARE IN OHIO FOR PREGNANT MOTHERS WHO ARE MAYBE POOR, MAY NOT HAVE ACCESS TO DOCTORS.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE PUT A LOT OF FOCUS ON THAT.

IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, PROTECTING LIFE.

SO I ACCEPT WHAT THE VOTE WAS OF THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF OHIO.

THAT IS NOT HOW I VOTED AND MY WIFE FRAN AND I DID A TV AD AGAINST THAT BECAUSE WE FELT SO VERY, VERY STRONGLY ABOUT IT, BUT OUR JOB TODAY, AND I REMIND MY TEAM EVERY DAY, IS TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO CREATE A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE, A MOM IS PREGNANT, THAT SHE LEGITIMATELY DOES HAVE OPTIONS AND THAT WE GET HER THE HELP THAT SHE NEEDS AND ALLOW HER THEN TO MAKE HER DECISION, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD ENCOURAGE HER TO HAVE THAT CHILD AND HAVE THAT BABY.

>> ONE OF THE OTHER HOT BUTTON ISSUES THAT'S COME UP IS TRANSGENDER RIGHTS, AND THERE WAS A BILL THAT THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE IN OHIO PASSED BANNING ANY GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE FOR KIDS WHO WERE TRANSGENDER, AND THEN YOU VETOED THAT THINKING, I ASSUME, THAT WE HAVE TO BE MORE UNDERSTANDING AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS.

YOUR VETO GETS OVERRIDDEN.

HOW WOULD YOU TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT HOW WE CAN TRY TO FIND SOME ACCOMMODATION ON THIS ISSUE AND WHAT WOULD YOU TRY TO DO IN OHIO TO OVERCOME WHAT YOUR LEGISLATURE DID?

>> WELL, I WAS INFORMED -- I ALWAYS TRY TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN SOMETHING AND SO I SPENT SOME TIME TALKING TO FAMILIES WHO HAD A CHILD IN THAT -- IN THAT SITUATION.

WE ARE NOT TALKING HERE ABOUT SURGERY, WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS OTHER -- OTHER MEDICAL HELP FOR THAT PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL.

AND I FELT THAT ULTIMATELY THIS IS A FAMILY DECISION.

THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT RESPECTING FAMILIES, RESPECTING THEIR CHOICES.

IT SEEMED TO ME THAT IF THE FAMILY WANTED TO HAVE SOME ASSISTANCE TO THAT CHILD AND THE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL OR THE OTHER HOSPITAL THAT THEY WERE GOING TO AND THE DOCTORS FELT THAT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS RIGHT FOR US TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT.

SO FOR ME IT CAME DOWN TO PARENTAL -- PARENTAL CHOICE.

>> AS A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR YOU WERE NOT PARTICULARLY SUPPORTIVE OF DONALD TRUMP WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR THE NOMINATION.

YOU SAID YOU WOULD SUPPORT WHOEVER THE NOMINEE IS.

SO NOW IF I MAY CHARACTERIZE IT, YOU CAN PUSH BACK, YOU ARE A LUKEWARM SUPPORTER OF DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE HE'S BECOME THE NOMINEE, BUT ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE NOW HAPPENED, ESPECIALLY THE HAITIAN IMMIGRANT THING.

ARE YOU IN SOME WAYS JUST COOLING ON THIS NOTION OF BEING FOR DONALD TRUMP?

>> WELL, I THINK MY MOST IMPORTANT JOB, CANDIDLY, IS GOVERNOR OF OHIO, IS TO GET THINGS DONE.

I AM GOVERNOR OF OHIO.

I HAVE LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN REINFORCED IN THINGS I'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS, THAT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE IMPACT ON PUBLIC POLICY, YOU NEED TO DO IT IN ONE PARTY OR THE OTHER, AND I AM A REPUBLICAN.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A NATURAL THING FOR ME TO SUPPORT THE NOMINEE OF MY PARTY.

WE HAVE ONLY TWO PARTIES THAT IS CORRECT MEANS THAT THERE'S DISAGREEMENT WITHIN EACH PARTY.

THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT ALWAYS WORKS.

SOME OF THE THINGS YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A DISAGREEMENT WITH -- I HAVE A DISAGREEMENT WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF YOU TALKED TO MOST PEOPLE, I THINK MOST PEOPLE DO BELIEVE THAT AS FAR AS THE ECONOMY HE'S GOING TO BE MUCH STRONGER AND BETTER FOR THE ECONOMY AND THERE ARE OTHER -- YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY OTHER THINGS THAT I DO AGREE WITH HIM.

BUT FOR ME IT'S HOW CAN I BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE GOVERNOR FOR THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF YEARS, TWO AND A QUARTER YEARS NOW, AND CONTINUE TO GET THINGS DONE IN THE STATE OF OHIO.

MOVE OHIO FORWARD ON MENTAL HEALTH.

MOVE OHIO FORWARD IN HOW WE DEAL WITH ADDICTION.

MOVE OHIO FORWARD ECONOMICALLY SO THERE'S JOBS FOR PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE ACTUALLY CREATING MORE JOBS IN OHIO EVERY DAY THAN WE HAVE PEOPLE TO FILL THEM, AND WHEN I TALKED ABOUT LEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE WELCOME IN THE STATE OF OHIO IN MY INAUGURAL ADDRESS, I ABSOLUTELY MEANT T WE WELCOME PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE LEGALLY, NOT PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE LEGALLY WE WELCOME THEM BECAUSE FRANKLY WE NEED THEM.

>> YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN SOMEBODY WHO HAS FOUND A WAY TO FIND CONSENSUS AND THAT'S GONE NOW IN AMERICA.

WE'VE BECOME MUCH MORE PARTISAN, MUCH MORE POLARIZED.

ANYTHING COMES UP, EVEN HURRICANES, AND I KNOW YOU SENT SOME OF THE OHIO NATIONAL GUARD TO HELP IN FLORIDA, BUT NOW EVEN THAT'S BECOME POLITICIZED.

DO YOU THINK -- AND WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR THE FEVER TO BREAK AND FOR US TO BECOME LESS POISONOUS AND POLARIZED IN OUR POLITICS?

>> WELL, I'M NOT SURE I CAN ANSWER THAT.

YOU KNOW, IT IS A STRANGE THING.

WE ARE CERTAINLY MORE POLARIZED.

WE'RE EVEN MORE POLARIZED WHERE WE LIVE.

TAKE THE STATE OF OHIO.

OUR URBAN COMMUNITIES ARE PROBABLY MORE DEMOCRAT THAN THEY'VE BEEN IN THE PAST.

OUR RURAL ONES CERTAINLY ARE MUCH, MUCH MORE REPUBLICAN THAN THEY HAVE EVER BEEN IN THE PAST.

WE ARE ALMOST BEING SEGREGATED BY HOW WE LIVE AND I IMAGINE THAT'S TRUE IN OTHER STATES BESIDES THE STATE OF OHIO.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE AND YOU TALK ABOUT CHALLENGES, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WANT THOSE OF US IN PUBLIC OFFICE WHO ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE IN PUBLIC OFFICE, I THINK THEY WANT US TO GET THINGS DONE AND WHEN YOU TALK TO THEM, THEY MANY TIMES WILL TELL ME THAT THEY DON'T LIKE IT THAT THERE'S SO MUCH SQUABBLING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE PARTIES.

THAT THEY EXPECT US TO ACTUALLY GET THINGS DONE, COMPROMISE IF WE HAVE TO, DON'T COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES, NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO COMPROMISE THEIR PRINCIPLES, BUT TRY TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT WORK.

AND I THINK THERE'S A REAL TREND IN THIS COUNTRY, I HOPE, AND I BELIEVE IT'S TRUE, THAT PEOPLE WILL DEMAND MORE FROM PEOPLE IN PUBLIC OFFICE IN REGARD TO JUST MAKE MAKING THINGS WORK.

YOU REALLY SEE IT AT THE GOVERNOR'S LEVEL.

DURING COVID I WORKED WITH DEMOCRAT GOVERNORS, I WORKED WITH REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS, WE ALL SHARED IDEAS, IT DIDN'T MATTER WHICH PARTY SOMEONE BELONGED TORQUES I'D PICK UP THE PHONE OR THEY'D PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL ME AND SAY WHAT'S WORKING IN YOUR STATE IN REGARD TO THUS AND SO.

GOVERNORS HAVE TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.

GOVERNORS ARE RIGHT THERE, THEY'RE EXPECTED TO THE THINGS DONE.

I THINK IN SOME SENSE IT'S EASIER MAYBE FOR GOVERNORS TO WORK IN A BIPARTISAN WAY.

I'VE CHALLENGED OUR LEGISLATURE, OUR LEGISLATURE IS VERY REPUBLICAN, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE DEMOCRATS IN THERE AND I'VE CHALLENGED OUR LEGISLATURE TO FRANKLY PUT MORE FOCUS ON MENTAL HEALTH, PUT MORE FOCUS ON ADDICTION PROBLEMS, AND THEY'VE COME THROUGH.

THEY HAVE GIVEN ME VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING I'VE ASKED FOR IN THE THREE BUDGETS THAT I PRESENTED SO FAR.

WHILE WE MAY QUARREL ABOUT OTHER ISSUES, ON SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE JUST FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT, EDUCATION OF OUR KIDS, USING PHONICS TO TEACH KIDS HOW TO READ, WHAT'S CALLED THE SCIENCE OF READING.

THERE'S BEEN A BROAD CONSENSUS IN OHIO AMONG DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS TO DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THAT.

>> GOVERNOR MIKE DeWINE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> GREAT TO BE WITH YOU.

THANK YOU.

>>> AND NOW IT'S THE END OF AN ERA FOR TENNIS LEGEND RAFAEL NADAL WHO ANNOUNCED HIS RETIREMENT YESTERDAY.

TRIBUTES HAVE FLOODED THE INTERNET INCLUDING ONE FROM HIS FELLOW TENNIS VIRAL NOVAK DJOKOVIC THANKING NADAL FOR INSPIRING MILLIONS OF CHILDREN TO START PLAYING THE SPORT.

THE 22 TIME GRAND SLAM CHAMPION NEEDS LITTLE INTRODUCTION AND HIS CAREER IS A TESTAMENT TO HIS UNMATCHED GRIT AND LOVE FOR THE GAME.

CHRISTIANE SPOKE WITH HIM IN PARIS IN 2022, JUST AFTER ERDOGAN HIS RECORD 14th FRENCH OPEN TITLE.

HERE IS SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION.

>> YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SO MANY SUPERLATIVES, THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME, INSPIRING, UNIQUE, AND THERE'S THE CUP.

I MEAN, THERE WE HAVE IT, THE GREAT TROPHY.

14 TIMES, 22 GRAND SLAMS, A WHOLE LOAD OF OTHER, YOU KNOW, U.S. OPEN, AUSTRALIAN OPEN, TWO OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALS.

ARE YOU READY TO DECLARE OR AT LEAST HAVE PEOPLE SAY THAT YOU ARE NOW THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME?

>> I HONESTLY DON'T THINK MUCH ABOUT THAT.

FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART I REALLY DON'T CARE THAT MUCH, YOU KNOW?

I MEAN, I -- I THINK IT DOESN'T MATTER, YOU KNOW?

I THINK WE ACHIEVED OUR DREAMS, I ACHIEVED MY DREAM AND I ENJOY WHAT I AM DOING, BUT IN SOME WAY I KNOW I AM IN AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT NOW AND THAT MAKES ME FEEL PROUD, HAPPY, AND AT THE END IT DOESN'T MATTER MUCH.

>> YOU HAVE A REPUTATION OF BEING HUMBLE, YOU'RE ALWAYS GENEROUS.

WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM?

WHERE DID THAT COME FROM IN YOUR YOUTH OR IN YOUR EXPERIENCE AS A WINNER?

>> WELL, I THINK I GROW UP WITH -- I THINK WITH -- WITH VALUES.

I THINK MY FAMILY -- I NEVER FELT PRESSURE FROM MY FAMILY TO PLAY TENNIS, I ALWAYS FELT THE PRESSURE FROM MY FAMILY TO BE DEDICATED, TO BE RESPECTFUL.

NOT TO WIN, HONESTLY, AND THAT HELPS.

AND I THINK I HAD THE RIGHT PEOPLE NEXT TO ME I THINK ALL MY LIFE AND I AM -- I THINK I AM A GUY THAT LISTENED A LOT, LOOK AROUND AND TRIED TO -- TO TAKE THE THINGS THAT I LIKE FROM THE PEOPLE AND BECAUSE OF TENNIS I THINK I WAS ABLE TO LIVE EXPERIENCES THAT I WILL NEVER ENJOY WITHOUT TENNIS.

KNOW PEOPLE, KNOW DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD AND IN THAT CASE YOU SEE HOW FORTUNATE WE ARE FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO LIVE.

>> YOU MUST FEEL SOME JOY AT BEATING FEDERER AND DJOKOVIC IN TERMS OF THE GRAND SLAMS.

CAN YOU TAKE SOME JOY?

>> YEAH, OF COURSE.

NO.

NO.

OF COURSE.

AS I SAID, OF COURSE I WANT TO BE THE PLAYER WITH MORE GRAND SLAMS OVER HISTORY.

THAT'S -- THAT'S COMPETITION.

BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I AM UPSET AT ALL AND IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HONESTLY CHANGED MY MIND.

NO.

>> MAYBE THAT'S HOW YOU KEEP ACHIEVING.

>> YOU NEVER KNOW.

BUT HONESTLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT NOT BOTHERS ME.

NOVAK WIN 23 AND I STAY WITH 22, I THINK MY HAPPINESS WILL NOT CHANGE AT ALL, NOT EVEN 1%.

>> SO PEOPLE LIKE McENROE AND MAX SRI LANDER AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN SAYING NEVER AGAIN.

THIS RECORD WILL NEVER BE TOUCHED, IT WILL NEVER BE BROKEN, SPECIFICALLY THE 14 FRENCH OPENS.

A, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

>> DIFFICULT TO SAY THAT FROM MYSELF, NO.

I MEAN, I ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING IN MIND THAT I ALWAYS CONSIDER MYSELF A VERY NORMAL GUY.

SO IF I DID IT, MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE CAN DO IT.

BUT IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE RECORD OF 22 GRAND SLAMS I THINK IS SOMETHING MUCH MORE POSSIBLE THAT SOMEBODY INCREASED THAT RECORD.

I AM SURE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

I MEAN, 14 ROLAND-GARROS IS SOMETHING.

I MEAN, VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE -- YEAH.

>> YEAH.

VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.

AND YOU LOVE ROLAND-GARROS, YOU ALWAYS SAY THAT IS YOUR FAVORITE BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT CLAY IS THE TOUGHEST SURFACE TO PLAY.

SO TELL ME ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN ON CLAY.

>> WELL, CLAY IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL DEMANDING, YEAH, IT'S THE TOUGHEST BECAUSE IN TERMS OF TACTICS, TOO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE TIME TO THINK, YOU HAVE MORE TIME TO PREPARE THE POINT, AND IN SOME WAY I THINK THE SURFACE ALLOWS YOU TO PLAY AGGRESSIVE, BUT YOU HAVE DIFFERENT CHANCES.

I LOVE TO PLAY ON EVERY SINGLE SURFACE.

>> ON ALL THE SURFACES?

>> YEAH, I ENJOY IT A LOT PLAYING ON GRASS, DOING IT ALL MY LIFE, ON HARD, TOO, EVEN SOMETIMES THE HARD COURTS ARE A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER FOR MY FOOT HONESTLY, BUT, I DON'T KNOW, I LIKE THE TENNIS IN GENERAL IN EVERY SURFACE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR SPORT THAT TO BE A GREAT PLAYER YOU NEED TO IMPROVE YOUR GAME IN A VERY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES.

>> PASSING THE TORCH IS A BIG THEME.

WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF YOUNG GREAT PLAYERS COME UP AND THEN THEY MEET YOU, WHATEVER ROUND IT IS, AND THEN THAT'S IT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY SWEET WHEN CASPER RUUD SAID I'M NOT HIS FIRST VICTIM, BUT HE'S ALSO -- YOU ARE HIS HERO.

WHEN HE CAME UP THROUGH YOUR NADAL ACADEMY.

WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING SOMEBODY LIKE THAT WHO CLEARLY IS, YOU KNOW, HERO WORSHIPPING YOU, BUT ALSO WONDERING ABOUT WHERE THE TORCH IS GOING TO GO, DO YOU EVER THINK OF THAT?

>> YES, AND FOR ME SOMETHING VERY BEAUTIFUL THAT TODAY I CAN STILL BE COMPETITIVE AGAINST PLAYERS THAT THEY ARE YOUNG AND THEY WATCH US PLAY ON TV WHEN THEY ARE GROWING, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL FOR THEM, IT'S BEAUTIFUL FOR US AND THAT'S A GOOD COMBINATION.

YOU KNOW, A GENERATIONS FACING EACH OTHER I THINK CREATES SOMETHING SPECIAL.

>> AND I GUESS FINALLY WHAT MAKES RAFA HAPPY?

WHAT MAKES YOU BEYOND TENNIS?

>> FIRST OF ALL, THE GOOD HEALTH OF MYSELF OF COURSE AND THE PEOPLE THAT I LOVE BECAUSE WITHOUT HEALTH THE REST OF THE THINGS AREN'T POSSIBLE.

AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT INJURIES NOW, I AM TALKING GENERAL HEALTH.

THEN I THINK I AM LUCKY THAT I HAVE MY FRIENDS SINCE I WAS A KID, THE SAME GROUP OF FRIENDS.

A VERY CLOSE FAMILY NEXT TO ME.

I DON'T KNOW.

SHARE MOMENTS WITH THE PEOPLE THAT I LIKE IS WHAT REALLY MAKES ME FEEL HAPPY.

>> RAFAEL NADAL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> CONGRATULATIONS ON MAKING HISTORY.

THANKS FOR BEING WITH US.

>> THE END OF AN ERA.

>>> AND FINALLY FOR US WE WANT TO CONGRATULATE THIS YEAR'S NOBEL PEACE PRIZE WINNERS, JAPANESE FEDERATION OF A AND H BOMB SURVIVOR SUFFERERS ORGANIZATIONS.

WHEN AMERICA DROPPED ATOMIC BOMBS ON HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI IN AUGUST OF 1945, 120,000 PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN AN INSTANT.

MANY MORE WOULD DIE FROM SEVERE BURNS AND THE IMPACT OF NUCLEAR FALLOUT.

SINCE THEN SURVIVORS HAVE PASSIONATELY CAMPAIGNED FOR PEACE AND CHRISTIANE SPOKE TO SETSUKO THURLOW, SHE SPOKE ABOUT WHAT GIVES HER HOPE.

>> I SEE HOPE IN THEM, YOUNG PEOPLE, AND I HAVE BEEN SEEING THAT EVIDENCE OF THEIR WAKENING TO REALITY AND REALIZING AS A CITIZEN'S RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP THIS PLANET AS BEAUTIFUL AND LIVABLE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I VISIT MANY COUNTRIES AND TALK TO YOUNG PEOPLE, HIGH SCHOOLS, UNIVERSITIES, AND MY HOPE FROM THIS BELONG THERE.

70% OF AMERICAN YOUTH SAYS THAT THE BOMBING OF HIROSHIMA NAGASAKI WAS NOT NECESSARY.

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