October 17, 2024

>>> HELLO, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO "AMANPOUR & CO." HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP.

THE HAMAS LEADER AND MASTERMIND OF THE OCTOBER 7th ATTACKS YAHYA SINWAR IS DEAD.

INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST RONEN BERGMAN JOINS ME FROM TEL AVIV WITH THE LATEST.

>>> THEN, AS THE WAR RUMBLES ON, WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE CEASEFIRE NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS?

WHAT ABOUT THE HOSTAGES?

WE GET THE AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE FROM FORMER TOP DIPLOMAT RICHARD HAASS AND REACTION FROM RETIRED ISRAELI GENERAL NOAM TIBON WHO RESCUED HIS OWN FAMILY ON OCTOBER 7th, AND HUNDREDS MORE.

PLUS, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE FUTURE OF HAMAS AND THE PALESTINIANS LIVING IN GAZA?

PRESIDENT OF THE PALESTINIAN NATIONAL INITIATIVE MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI JOINS ME.

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>>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

I'M CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR IN LONDON.

THE LEADER OF HAMAS IS DEAD.

ISRAEL SAYS ITS FORCES HAVE KILLED YAHYA SINWAR, THE ARCHITECT OF THE OCTOBER 7th ATTACKS AFTER ITS SOLDIERS ENCOUNTERED THREE TERRORISTS THEY SAY DURING A ROUTINE OPERATION IN GAZA AND ENGAGED THEM.

ONLY AFTER THE BATTLE DID THEY FIND A BODY RESEMBLING SINWAR'S.

ISRAEL ANALYZED THE CORPORATION AND THEN CONFIRMED THAT THE DNA DID INDEED MATCH.

THIS IS A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT, AND PERHAPS EVEN A TURNING POINT IN ISRAEL'S WAR ON GAZA AND BEYOND.

INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST RONEN BERGMAN JOINS ME NOW FROM TEL AVIV.

RONEN, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE REACTION AMONGST ISRAELIS RIGHT NOW?

HOW IT IS BEING RECEIVED?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT MANY ISRAELIS, AT LEAST THESE WHO I SPOKE WITH ARE HAPPY BUT ALSO CONCERNED.

HAPPY THAT THE PERSON WHO MASTERMINDED A MASSACRE OF OCTOBER 7 IS DEAD.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE EXPECTED, LOOKED FOR A LONG TIME, BUT ALSO I THINK MANY ISRAELIS, THAT INCLUDES LEADERS IN THE MILITARY AND THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY ARE VERY MUCH CONCERNED OF TWO THINGS.

ONE, THAT THIS WILL NOT BRING AN END TO THE WAR, AND SECOND, THAT THIS WILL STILL NOT THE 100 HOSTAGES DEAD AND ALIVE STILL HELD BY HAMAS.

THESE ARE CONCERNS, CHRISTIANE, NOT JUST WHAT HAMAS WILL DO.

I THINK EVEN MORE THESE CONCERNS ARE DIRECTED TO THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL AND TO THE PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL.

AND THEY ARE AFRAID WILL NOT SEE EVEN THIS AS A SORT OF SYMBOLIC ACT OF WINNING AND CONTINUE FORWARD.

>> RONEN, CAN WE JUST GO BACK A LITTLE BIT BEFORE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE.

DESCRIBE TO US, BECAUSE THIS NEWS HAS BEEN SORT OF TRICKLING OUT, AND EVERYBODY IS ON THE EDGE OF THEIR SEATS WAITING FOR IT TO HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED.

SO IT'S CALLED BY THE IDF A ROUTINE OPERATION.

THEY ENCOUNTERED THEY SAY THREE TERRORISTS.

CAN YOU GIVE US MORE ABOUT THE OPERATION?

>> YEAH.

SO IT'S LONG TIME THAT ISRAELI INTELLIGENCE SUSPECTED SINWAR AND MAYBE OTHER SENIOR OFFICIALS OF THE QASEM BRIGADE ARE HIDING INSIDE GAZA.

AND THEY HAVE TRIED TO KILL HIM AND OTHERS MANY TIMES.

THERE WERE EVEN SOME RUMORS HE WAS KILLED IN SOUTHERN GAZA THE 25th OF AUGUST.

ALL PROVED TO BE WRONG.

BUT THESE AREAS IN SOUTHERN GAZA ARE EXTENSIVELY PATROLLED BY GROUND FORCES OF THE IDF.

ONE OF THESE FORCES EARLY -- LATE WEDNESDAY DETECTED WHAT THEY THOUGHT ARE THREE HAMAS TERRORISTS AND STARTED EXCHANGE OF FIRE.

THEN THEY CALLED ARTILLERY AND DRONES TO DROP BOMBS ON THE LOCATIONS WHERE THESE THREE WERE IDENTIFIED.

AND WHEN THEY APPROACHED, THEY DISCOVERED TWO BODIES, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND.

THE THIRD ONE YET TO BE FOUND OR MAYBE ESCAPED.

AND WHEN THEY APPROACH ONE OF THE BODIES WITH DRONES, SO DRONES HOVERING IN WITH CAMERAS, THEY SAW SOMEONE WHO LOOKS STRIKINGLY SIMILAR TO THE LEADER OF HAMAS.

THIS IS WHEN THEY STARTED TO RUN TESTS AND CHECKS TO SEE WHETHER HE IS.

NOW IN PRINCIPLE, HE WAS FOUND WITH OTHER HAMAS OFFICIALS OR IN THE VICINITY OF OTHER HAMAS OFFICIALS, INCLUDING THE ONE THAT HE WAS KILLED WITH THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ACCORDING TO INTELLIGENCE.

THERE WAS A LOT OF ISRAELI MONEY ALONG THE BODIES, SOPHISTICATED RIFLES, COUNTERFEIT AND ORIGINAL RECORDS, ID AND PASSPORTS.

IN A WAY, IT ALL MATCHED.

AND THEN THERE WAS SOME INITIAL IDENTIFICATION OF THE DENTAL RECORDS.

BUT I THINK EVERYBODY, THE ISRAELI INTELLIGENCE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE FINAL DNA SAMPLE TEST THAT WAS SENT BACK TO THE LABORATORY IN ISRAEL.

THIS IS STILL BEING EXAMINED.

>> OKAY.

BUT AS WE HAVE BEEN TOLD BY THE IDF BIG, THE FOREIGN MINISTER IT IS ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMED, AND THE U.S. HAS BEEN TOLD THAT IT'S BEEN CONFIRMED.

JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND HOW ISRAEL WOULD KNOW AND CHECK, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE SINWAR WAS IN ISRAEL JAILS FOR ABOUT TWO DECADES, RIGHT.

THAT WOULD HAVE HIS DNA, HIS TEETH PICTURES AND X-RAYS AND ALL THE REST OF IT.

>> YEAH.

THEY HAVE ALL OF THESE, THE DENTAL RECORD, THE FINGERPRINTS, WHICH COULD BE ALSO EXAMINED BACK IN GAZA.

THEY DON'T NEED TO FLY THE BODY OR THE FINGERPRINTS OVER.

THEY HAVE THE ONLINE DATABASE.

AND THE DNA ALL TAKEN FROM THE TIME HE WAS A PRISONER WHO WAS RELEASED AT THE SHALIT DEAL IN 2011.

SO THIS COULD BE EASILY MATCHED AND IDENTIFIED.

>> AND I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION, BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHO ARE THE OTHER TWO, OR ONE OTHER BODY THERE.

SOME AMERICANS HAVE SAID, AND OTHERS, AND I THINK EVEN A QATARI, ANY WAY, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING IF THE SUCCESSOR IS YAHYA SINWAR'S BROTHER MOHAMMED, THEN, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, WE'RE SCREWED, BECAUSE HE APPARENTLY IS NO TOUCHY-FEELY KIND OF GUY IN TERMS OF CEASEFIRES AND IT MIGHT EVEN BE WORSE.

AND CERTAINLY HOSTAGE DEALS.

WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT?

>> SO THE BROTHER MOHAMMED SINWAR IS CONSIDERED TO BE EVEN MORE EXTREME ROGUE AS MUCH AS SOMEONE CAN BE MORE EXTREME OR ROGUE THAT YAHYA SINWAR.

HE WAS NOT IN THE VICINITY WHERE SINWAR WAS KILLED.

HE IS BELIEVED TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN SOUTHERN GAZA, AND IT IS ASSESSED BY ISRAELI INTELLIGENCE THAT HE WILL BE THE SUCCESSOR.

THE LATE SINWAR WAS HOLDING TWO HANDS.

HE WAS THE LEADER OF HAMAS IN GAZA, BUT ALSO, HE REPLACED ISMAIL HANIYEH AS THE POLITICAL LEADER, THE HIT OF THE POLITICAL.

THESE TWO HANDS GIVEN TO MOHAMMED SINWAR I THINK IN THE COMING FUTURE, WE SHOULD EXPECT A MORE HARD LINE FROM HAMAS AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD GET US ANYWHERE CLOSE TO FINAL CEASEFIRE AND EXCHANGE OF HOSTAGES.

THIS EVEN BEFORE I SPEAK ABOUT THE EXPECTED POSITIONS FROM ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER.

>> AND WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER.

BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU AGAIN, BECAUSE ALL ISRAELI FAMILIES AND FRIENDS OF THE HOSTAGES, THAT'S THEIR MAIN DEMAND, TO HAVE THEIR PEOPLE BACK.

A QATARI, THE QATARI PRIME MINISTER HAS TOLD PRIME MINISTERS IN BRUSSELS THIS LAST WEEK BASICALLY IN THE LAST THREE TO FOUR WEEKS, THERE HAS BEEN NO CONVERSATION OR ENGAGEMENT AT ALL, AND WE'RE JUST MOVING IN THE SAME CIRCLE WITH SILENCE FROM ALL PARTIES.

SO QATAR, WHO HAS BEEN BROKERING AND HOSTING A LOT OF THESE CEASEFIRE TALKS, WHAT MORE CAN YOU TELL US WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IF THIS IS THE CASE, YAHYA SINWAR GONE OR NOT?

>> SO MAYBE THIS WOULD BE THE OPENING OF NOW ANOTHER ROUND OF TALKS, BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS COMPLETELY STUCK.

HAMAS HAS GIVEN ITS FINAL ANSWER ON JULY 3rd, AND THEN BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER, WHAT WAS CALLED THE CLARIFICATION LETTER JUST LOADED MORE OBSTACLES AND MORE U-TURNS, SOME OF THEM GIVEN UP BY ISRAEL, AND THEN HAMAS LOADED MORE UTURNS.

THIS ROAD IS NOWHERE TO BE SOWN.

MAYBE NOW WITH THE KILLING OF YAHYA SINWAR THERE COULD BE A NEW OPENING.

THERE ARE SOME IDEAS IN THE ISRAELI LEADERSHIP MAYBE TO OFFER A CEASEFIRE IN EXCHANGE FOR HOSTAGES.

MAYBE SOME IMMUNITY IF SOMEONE GIVES A HOSTAGE BACK.

THIS IS YET TO BE SEEN AND DECIDED.

BUT IT'S A WATERSHED MOMENT YET TO BE SEEN WHAT KIND OF DIRECTION HAMAS WILL TAKE.

ONE CONCERN, BIG CONCERN OF ISRAELIS, OF ISRAELI OFFICIALS IS THAT NOW WITH NO DIRECT CONTROL OF THE LATE YAHYA SINWAR, MAYBE THE TEAMS GUARDING THE HOSTAGES WILL HAVE LESS COMMAND AND CONTROL SYSTEM AND WILL, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEIR OWN OPINION ON HOW TO CONTINUE, NOT JUST THEM, BUT ALSO ALL HAMAS FORCES.

THIS COULD LEAD TO THE FRAGMENTATION OF THE ORGANIZATION WHICH DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN GOOD NEWS.

>> AS YOU KNOW, I CAN READ BETWEEN YOUR LINES AND IT'S VERY, VERY SCARY TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW.

YOU KNOW, APPARENTLY, AS YOU SAY, THEY WERE ENCOUNTERED IN A BUILDING ABOVE GROUND, AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT SINWAR AND HIS TYPES HAVE BEEN UNDERGROUND THIS WHOLE TIME.

KELL US TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW YOU THINK OR HOW YOU KNOW THEY LIVED THIS LAST YEAR, SINWAR AND HIS HENCHMEN.

>> SO AS WE'VE PUBLISHED, SOME COLLEAGUES AND MYSELF IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES," THEY'RE LIVING UNDERGROUND.

AND I HAVE VISIT NUMEROUS TUNNELS THAT WERE DISCOVERED BY THE IDF UNDER GAZA.

IT'S VERY HARD.

AND THE HAMAS MILITANTS AS WELL AS HAMAS LEADERS HAD A PLAN OF GOING ABOVE GROUND FROM TIME TO TIME TO BREATHE AIR, TO BE IN REGULAR ATMOSPHERE.

IT'S VERY HUMID DOWN THERE.

AND THEY HAD THE PLAN OF POPPING UP IN AREAS WHERE THEY HAD PREVIOUS ALERT THAT THE IDF IS NOT PRESENT.

WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED NOW, AND THIS WAS A TOTALLY COINCIDENTAL EXCHANGE OF FIRE, THE FORCE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY ARE THERE.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW -- I THINK THERE COULD BE A MISTAKE OF THEIR COMING OUT OF THE SUBTERRANEAN NETWORK, THINKING THAT THIS IS CLEAR OF WHAT THEY SEE IS ENEMY FORCES, AND THEN JUST BUMPING INTO THAT FORCE THAT SOON BROUGHT DRONES TO DROP BOMBS AND ARTILLERY ON THEIR BUILDING AND BEING KILLED.

>> IT'S AN INCREDIBLE STORY, AND MANY DEVELOPMENTS AHEAD.

RONEN BERGMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH INDEED.

>>> NOW PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS BRIEFED ON THE SITUATION ON HIS WAY TO BERLIN BY HIS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER JAKE SULLIVAN.

THE UNITED STATES HAS HOPED SUCH A DEVELOPMENT WOULD GIVE THE ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER AN EXIT RAMP IN GAZA.

SO LET'S GO NOW TO RICHARD HAASS.

HE IS THE FORMER SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL, AND PRESIDENT EMERITUS OF THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS.

RICHARD HAASS, WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.

WHAT IS YOUR -- YOU PROBABLY HEARD RONEN BERGMAN AND ALL THE PLUSES AND WORRIES ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT IS YOUR INITIAL REACTION TO THE IMPACT OF THE KILLING AND THE ELIMINATION OF YAHYA SINWAR?

>> WELL, WHAT RONEN SAID, AS YOU JUST HEARD IS QUITE SOBER, BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE A LEADERSHIP CHANGE POSSIBLE FOR THE WORSE, OR AT LEAST MORE OF THE SAME, OR YOU COULD HAVE A LEADERSHIP VACUUM, WHERE THERE IS NO ONE TO NEGOTIATE WITH.

BUT I THINK FROM THE ISRAELI SIDE NOW, THERE ARE SOME BIG DECISIONS TO MAKE.

IS THIS SOMETHING NOW THAT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE SMALL CEASEFIRE?

NOT A PERMANENT ONE, BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW PERHAPS MORE FOOD TO GO IN FOR THE PEOPLE OF GAZA, AND OBVIOUSLY TO GET THE ISRAELI HOSTAGES OUT.

A BIGGER THING, COULD THIS LEAD THE WAY TO THE KIND OF AFTERMATH THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, BUT NOTHING HAS REALLY BEEN PUT ON THE TABLE.

WE WANT TO GET AN ARAB STABILIZATION FORCE INTO GAZA TO PROVIDE SECURITY, TO PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK FOR SOME NEW GOVERNANCE.

MIGHT THIS BE A MOMENT WHERE THE ISRAELIS CAN ESSENTIALLY DECLARE VICTORY AND SAY OKAY, NOW WE'RE PREPARED TO TURN THE PAGE OR OPEN A NEW CHAPTER AND BEGIN OUR CONVERSATION WITH PALESTINIANS ABOUT WHAT MIGHT COME NEXT, OR IN SOME WAYS SIMILAR, CHRISTIANE, TO THE CONVERSATION THE ISRAELIS ARE HAVING IN LEBANON.

DO THEY SEE THIS AS A TACTICAL ADVANCE, WHICH IT IS, AND DO THEY DECIDE TO DOUBLE DOWN AND SAY OKAY, WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS AGAINST HAMAS.

WE'VE NOW WEAKENED THE LEADERSHIP.

NOW LET'S PRESS OUR ADVANTAGE.

SO I THINK THE ISRAELIS HAVE SOME VERY BIG DECISIONS TO MAKE.

>> SO THAT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE CERTAINLY THE UNITED STATES, I MEAN, SURPRISINGLY, FRANKLY, AND UNUSUALLY PUT OUT TWO INCREDIBLY TOUGH DEMANDS TO THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT THIS WEEK REGARDING ALLOWING HUMANITARIAN AID INTO GAZA, ESPECIALLY INTO THE NORTH, OR RECONSIDER THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT FOR U.S. SENDING WEAPONS TO FOREIGN STATES.

SO IT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE'D HEARD THAT KIND OF DIRECT, YOU KNOW, THE DIRECT SORT OF DEALING ABOUT THAT.

BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK, FROM WHAT YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING, THE ISRAELI IDF BEEN DOING IN GAZA?

BEFORE THE KILLING OF SINWAR, THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ISOLATE THE NORTH.

HOW DO YOU READ ALL OF THAT?

>> I WAS FRANKLY SOMEWHAT SURPRISED.

IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN SURPRISED OVER THE LAST YEAR WITH WHAT'S HAPPENED.

I THOUGHT THE ISRAELIS HAD ESSENTIALLY COME TO THE POSITION WHERE THEY WERE RUNNING LOW ON TARGETS IN THE NORTH.

AND OTHER THAN OPPORTUNITIES, FOR EXAMPLE, TO GO AFTER SINWAR, THEY WERE GOING TO FOCUS MOSTLY EITHER ON WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN THE NORTH AGAINST HEZBOLLAH OR PREPARING FOR RETALIATION AGAINST IRAN.

SO I'VE BEEN SOMEWHAT SURPRISED BY THE CONTINUING INTENSITY OF ISRAELI MILITARY OPERATIONS IN GAZA.

I ASSUMED IT WAS BECAUSE -- ASSUMPTIONS ARE DANGEROUS, I GRANT THAT -- BECAUSE ONE WAS SEEING THE REVIVAL OF HAMAS IN CERTAIN SPACES THAT THE ISRAELIS THOUGHT HAD BEEN CLEARED.

THERE IS ALSO OTHER REPORTS OF SOME IN ISRAEL HAVE DIFFERENT PLANS OR AMBITIONS FOR GAZA TO MAKE LARGE AREAS OF IT EITHER DEMILITARIZED OR OPEN IT UP TO ISRAELI SETTLEMENT.

BUT IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME, QUITE HONESTLY IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT THE ISRAELIS WERE DOING IN THE NORTH AND PREPARING TO DO AGAINST IRAN.

>> YEAH, SO I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.

BUT, AGAIN, I HAD A RETIRED GENERAL ON.

HE HAS BEEN HEAD OF THE DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE, ET CETERA.

AND HE SAID TO ME WHEN I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE, THIS WAS EARLIER THIS WEEK, HE SAID WITH DUE RESPECT, GAZA IS PRETTY MUCH TAKEN CARE OF AND IS NUMBER THREE ON OUR AGENDA.

IT IS LEBANON AND IRAN, OR IRAN AND LEBANON, HOWEVER HE STACKED THEM UP.

SO HOW DO YOU SEE -- WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT KIND OF DECLARATION, FIRST AND FOREMOST?

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY, THAT ISRAEL WAS ESSENTIALLY RUNNING OUT OF TARGETS IN GAZA.

IT REDUCED A LOT OF IT TO RUBBLE.

OTHER THAN GETTING SOME OF THE LEADERSHIP, IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME WHAT MORE MILITARY OPERATIONS WOULD REALLY ACCOMPLISH, THAT THEY HAD THESE TWO OTHER VENUES, LEBANON AND IRAN TO FOCUS ON.

AND CIRCLING BACK TO WHERE WE BEGAN THE CONSIDERATION.

SO THAT EVEN MAKES THIS NOW DECISIONS THAT MUCH MORE STARK.

OKAY.

SO YOU'VE HAD ANOTHER TACTICAL ADVANCE IN GAZA.

YOU'VE GOTTEN RID OF THE EXISTING LEADERSHIP.

WHAT NOW?

WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF VICTORY HERE?

IS IT TO CONTINUE TO DEGRADE HAMAS?

OR IS IT TO GET AN ARAB STABILIZATION FORCE IN?

IS IT TO GET THE HOSTAGES OUT?

I THINK WHAT THIS DOES IS ONCE AGAIN, IT PUTS IN FRONT OF THIS ISRAELI GOVERNMENT SOME FIRST ORDER STRATEGIC DECISIONS.

ESSENTIALLY, HOW ARE THEY DEFINING VICTORY?

WHAT ARE THEIR PRIORITIES AT THIS POINT.

>> INTERESTINGLY, ONE OF YOUR FORMER COLLEAGUES DENNIS ROSS, A FORMER MIDDLE EAST NEGOTIATOR WAS ON X TODAY SAYING "WITH THE HAMAS LEADERS IN GAZA GONE, ISRAEL SHOULD SAY END THE WAR, PROVIDED THE HOSTAGES ARE RELEASED."

SO THAT'S ONE THING.

JUST EARLIER HE'D SAID A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, YOU KNOW, THE PAGERS, THE KILLING OF NASRALLAH, THE HEAD OF HEZBOLLAH, ET CETERA, WAS ALL GOOD MILITARY AND INTELLIGENCE VICTORIES, BUT WHERE IS THE PLAN?

WHERE IS THE POLITICAL PLAN, AND THAT HE WANTED TO SEE A POLITICAL STRATEGY LAID OUT.

DO YOU SEE ANY POLITICAL STRATEGY?

>> SHORT ANSWER IS NO.

I DON'T SEE IT VIS-A-VIS HEZBOLLAH IN THE NORTH.

WHAT'S AGAIN -- IS IT TO SIMPLY TRY TO GET A SITUATION OR A CEASEFIRE?

SO IT'S 60 TO 70,000 ISRAELIS CAN GO BECOME TO THEIR HOMES IN NORTHERN ISRAEL, OR IS IT TO TRY TO DO MORE?

ARE THE ISRAELIS REALLY TRYING TO GET RID OF HEZBOLLAH ONCE AND FOR ALL?

IS THAT EVEN ACHIEVABLE?

I HAVE PUT IT TO PUT ID MILDLY PROFOUND DOUBTS.

NOW IN GAZA, FIRST ORDER QUESTIONS.

WHAT ARE THE ISRAELIS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH?

IT IS TO GET THE HOSTAGES OUT?

IS IT TO GET AN ARAB FORCE IN THERE?

MORE AND MORE MILITARY OPERATIONS MAY SOMEWHAT DEGRADE HAMAS EVEN MORE.

BUT IT'S NOT GOING ELIMINATE IT.

AND THE PROCESS OF KILLING PEOPLE ALSO CREATES MORE RECRUITS.

SO, AGAIN, THIS IS A MOMENT TO THINK STRATEGICALLY.

TACTICS ADDED TO TACTICS ADDED TO TACTICS DON'T ADD UP TO A STRATEGY.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN MISSING FROM THE GET-GO, WHETHER IT'S IN THE NORTH OR FOR THE LAST YEAR IN GAZA.

IT'S AS IF AT TIMES BOOKS ON WAR BY CLAUSE KLAUSOVITZ WERE NEVER TRANSLATED INTO HEBREW.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT WHERE THE ISRAELI THINKING IS WHERE THEY WANT THIS TO LEAD.

>> TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, I WOULD QUOTE SOME OF THE ISRAELI OFFICIALS INCLUDING THE UK-BASED AMBASSADOR AND A LOT OF PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU'S EXTREME RIGHT FLANK SAY THE STRATEGY IS TO REMAKE THE MIDDLE EAST, TO END ONCE AND FOR ALL WHAT THEY CALL THE RING OF FIRE AROUND ISRAEL, AND THAT'S WHY THEY SAY IRAN IS THE HEAD OF THE OCTOPUS, AND THAT HAS TO BE DECAPITATED.

SO YOUR VIEW ON WHAT YOU THINK ISRAEL WILL DO, BECAUSE IT'S BOUND TO RESPOND EVENTUALLY, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, PROBABLY.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY FEELING SUCCESSFUL AND EMPOWERED.

SINWAR IS GONE.

NASRALLAH IS GONE,S SET.

WHAT DO YOU FORESEE AS THE RESULT OR THE IMPACT OF A STRIKE ON IRAN?

>> SO MUCH OF A STRIKE, THE IMPACT OF A STRIKE ON IRAN DEPENDS ON THE SCALE AND THE TARGET SET.

I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING THE ISRAELIS FOCUS ON-SITES THAT EITHER PRODUCE OR STORE THINGS LIKE MISSILES OR DRONES RATHER THAN EXPANDING THE CONFRONTATION.

IRAN IS STILL SITTING ON CLOSE TO, WHAT, 3,000 BALLISTIC MISSILES.

THAT'S FAR MORE THAN ISRAEL CAN HANDLE EVEN WITH AMERICAN HELP.

I'M NOT SURE A MUCH LARGER WAR WITH IRAN SERVES ANYONE'S INTERESTS RIGHT NOW.

SO I WOULD HOPE THE ISRAELIS WOULD THINK ABOUT THAT.

BUT LET ME MAKE A MORE BASIC POINT, CHRISTIANE.

ISRAEL HAS HAD MILITARY ADVANCES, BOTH IN THE NORTH AS WELL AS IN GAZA.

BUT WAR IS NOT SIMPLY A MILITARY UNDERTAKING.

THERE'S GOT TO BE A POLITICAL COMPONENT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

YOU CAN'T SIMPLY SIDELINE HAMAS THROUGH ATTACKING THEM.

YOU'VE GOT TO ALLOW THE EMERGENCE OF ANOTHER POLITICAL ENTITY THE PALESTINIANS CAN RALLY AROUND.

AND THAT'S WHAT I SEE MISSING FROM ISRAELI STRATEGY.

YOU CAN'T -- YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CREATE A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ARMED PALESTINIAN RESISTANCE, INCLUDING THE WEST BANK SIMPLY BY REDUCING IRANIAN SUPPORT FOR PALESTINIANS.

THERE WILL ALSO BE INDIGENOUS SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION TO ISRAEL COMING FROM PALESTINIANS IN BOTH GAZA AND HAMAS.

AGAIN, IT CALLS OUT FOR A POLITICAL DIMENSION OF ISRAELI FOREIGN POLICY TO CO-EXIST WITH WHAT THEY DO IN THE MILITARY REALM.

>> SO FINALLY, THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A U.S. ELECTION ON THE DOORSTEP.

WHAT WOULD YOU ADVISE -- WHAT SHOULD THE U.S. DO RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF ADVISING THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT?

WHAT SHOULD BE ITS POSTURE NOW?

>> I WOULD SAY, LET'S TAKE THREE VENUES VERY QUICKLY.

IN THE NORTH, I WOULD WORK FOR A CEASEFIRE SO ISRAELIS CAN RETURN HOME TO THEIR -- IN THE NORTH OF ISRAEL TO THESE 60 OR 70,000 ISRAELIS CAN RESUME A LIFE.

I WOULD TRY TO GET A DEAL IN GAZA TO GET THE HOSTAGES OUT, TO GET A CEASEFIRE.

AND I WOULD PRESS ISRAEL AS HARD AS ONE COULD PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY TO INTRODUCE A POLITICAL COMPONENT TO LAY OUT SOME TYPE OF TRAJECTORY FOR THE PALESTINIANS TO AT LEAST REALIZE SOME OF THEIR AMBITIONS.

I WOULD PRESS ISRAEL FOR A NARROW MILITARY RESPONSE FOR THE MOMENT AGAINST IRAN.

THAT TO ME, AGAIN, IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE MIDDLE EAST.

THE MIDDLE EAST I DON'T THINK IS A PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED.

AND I GET NERVOUS WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT REGIME CHANGE AND OTHER SUCH THINGS.

THE MIDDLE EAST IS A SITUATION TO BE MANAGED.

AND I WOULD PRESS THE ISRAELIS TO AVOID OVERREACHING TO THINK THAT THEY CAN SOLVE A PART OF THE WORLD THAT I BELIEVE RESISTS SOLUTION.

>> RICHARD HAASS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT EXPERT ANALYSIS.

>>> NOW WHO REALLY IS YAHYA SINWAR, ISRAEL'S MORTAL ENEMY?

BACK IN JUNE, I SPOKE WITH YUVAL BITTON, WHO WORKED IN ISRAEL'S PRISON SERVICE AND KNEW SINWAR BETTER THAN MOST.

BITTON HAD RARE ACCESS, SPENDING HUNDREDS OF HOURS WITH THE TOP HAMAS LEADER WHILE HE WAS IN PRISON, AND EVEN SAVED HIS LIFE WHEN HE WAS PRISON DOCTOR 20 YEARS AGO.

THIS IS WHAT HE TOLD ME WHEN I ASKED HOW IT HAPPENED.

>> Translator: IN 2004, I SAVED SINWAR'S LIFE IN PRISON.

I WAS THE DOCTOR WHO DIAGNOSED THE PROBLEM HE HAD.

WHEN HE EXPLAINED TO ME WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO HIM, I DIAGNOSED IT AS A STROKE.

AND TOGETHER WITH THE GENERAL PRACTITIONER, WE DECIDED TO TAKE HIM TO THE HOSPITAL.

HE ARRIVED AT THE HOSPITAL.

THE DIAGNOSIS WAS THAT HE HAD ABSCESS IN THE BRAIN, AND HE WAS OPERATED ON THAT DAY, THUS SAVING HIS LIFE.

BECAUSE IF IT HAD EXPLODED, HE WOULD HAVE DIED.

HE THANKED ME AND THE DOCTORS FOR SAVING HIS LIFE, AND HE ALSO ASKED THE SECURITY OFFICER WHO WAS A MUSLIM WHEN HE VISITED HIM IN THE HOSPITAL TO TELL ME IN ARABIC AND EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT IT MEANS FOR SOMEONE TO SAVE A MUSLIM'S LIFE, AND THAT HE OWED ME HIS LIFE.

HE ALSO TOLD ME THAT ON THE DAY HE WAS RELEASED IN THE GILAD SHALIT DEAL IN 2011 THAT HE OWED ME HIS LIFE.

AND ONE DAY HE WILL REPAY IT.

AND AS YOU UNDERSTAND, HE REPAID IT ON OCTOBER 7th, IN THAT HE WAS ALSO DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MURDER OF MY NEPHEW IN KIBBUTZ NIR OZ.

>> CAN I ASK YOU WHAT YOU LEARNED ABOUT SINWAR AND HAMAS IN JAIL.

>> I HAD MANY HOURS, HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF CONVERSATION WITH SINWAR BOTH AS A DENTIST AND INTELLIGENCE OFFICER.

>> WHAT IMPRESSION DID YOU GET OF HIS PLANS, OF HIS GOALS?

>> IT WAS CLEAR TO ME THAT SINWAR REFLECTS THE HAMAS GAZA WORLD VIEW.

SINWAR TOLD ME CLEARLY IN 2004 THAT THEY WOULD BE READY TO SIGN A HUDNA, A TRUCE FOR 20 YEARS BECAUSE ISRAEL IS A STRONG STATE.

BUT HE ALSO TOLD ME IN 20 YEARS HE ESTIMATES THAT WE WILL BE WEAKENED BECAUSE INTERNAL STRUGGLES BETWEEN US IN CIVIL SOCIETY.

AND AS SOON AS THEY RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE WEAK, THEY WILL ATTACK US.

AND THEY ALSO SAID CLEARLY THAT WE AS JEWS HAVE NO PLACE ON THESE LANDS, ON THE LANDS ON WHICH THE STATE OF ISRAEL IS LOCATED.

THESE ARE MUSLIM LANDS, THESE ARE LANDS THAT DO NOT BELONG TO US.

THEREFORE WE AS JEWS HAVE NO RIGHT TO EXIST ON THE LANDS.

THEREFORE, THERE IS NO COMPROMISE.

>> WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HIS MENTAL STATE NOW AND WHO HE IS, THE PERSON YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK HE'S THINKING ABOUT CEASEFIRE, ABOUT ANYTHING, ABOUT RELEASING THE HOSTAGES THAT STILL REMAIN?

>> SINCE THE DAY THE IDF ENTERED THE GAZA STRIP, HIS PRIORITY IS TO MAINTAIN HIS RULE.

HE PUT THE ISSUE OF RELEASING THE PRISONERS AS A SECOND PRIORITY.

NOW THE FIRST PRIORITY IS TO MAINTAIN HAMAS' RULE.

THE CONDITION FOR RELEASING THE HOSTAGES WILL ONLY BE THE IDF'S WITHDRAWAL FROM GAZA AND THE END OF THE WAR.

THE HOSTAGES ARE BEING USED TO ACHIEVE HIS GOALS.

UNFORTUNATELY, ISRAEL MADE A MISTAKE DURING ITS MILITARY OPERATION IN ITS THINKING THAT ONLY MILITARY PRESSURE WOULD BRING THE RELEASE OF HOSTAGES, WHICH I SAID IN THE FIRST MONTH OF THE WAR, I THOUGHT A MILITARY EFFORT WAS IMPORTANT TO DISMANTLE HAMAS, DESTROY IT, AND TO HURT ITS MILITARY CAPABILITIES.

IT'S AN IMPORTANT EFFORT, BUT IN ORDER TO RETURN THE HOSTAGES, IT'S NOT ENOUGH.

BECAUSE SINWAR THINKS ONLY ABOUT THE CONTINUITY OF HIS ROLE.

HE IS WILLING TO SACRIFICE EVEN 100,000 PALESTINIANS IN ORDER TO ENSURE THE SURVIVAL OF HIS RULE.

HE IS WILLING TO PAY WITH THE LIVES OF MILITANTS, HAMAS MEMBERS, CIVILIANS.

HE DOESN'T CARE.

AND THEREFORE, ISRAEL'S MISTAKE IS IT DID NOT CREATE AN ALTERNATIVE TO HAMAS' RULE AND THEN REPLACE HAMAS' RULE AND THEN ALLOW AN IMPROVED VERSION OF THE FATAH OR PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY FORCES TO ENTER IN ORDER TO MAKE CLEAR TO SINWAR THAT HE HAS LOST EVERYTHING, BOTH HIS MILITARY CAPABILITY, BUT MOSTLY HIS AUTHORITY IN GAZA.

THAT WOULD HAVE CAUSED SINWAR THE MAKE A DEAL TO RETURN OUR HOSTAGES IN EXCHANGE FOR PRISONERS.

TODAY HE FEELS HE IS IN A POWERFUL POSITION.

HE IS RUNNING THE NEGOTIATIONS WHILE STILL OPERATING FROM WITHIN GAZA AND STILL CONTROLS THE AREAS FROM WHICH THE IDF EVACUATED.

HE ALSO CONTROLS THE HUMANITARIAN AID, AND THEREFORE HE FEELS STRONG AND WON'T SIGN AN AGREEMENT TO RELEASE THE HOSTAGES UNLESS THE IDF WITHDRAWS FROM GAZA AND THE FIGHTING ENDS.

>> HE'S NOW DEAD, BUT AS YUVAL BITTON ASKED ALL THOSE QUESTIONS, THEY STILL EXIST.

THEY ARE STILL RELEVANT, THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.

BUT LET'S TURN NOW TO THE RETIRED ISRAELI MAJOR GENERAL NOAM TIBON, WHO ON OCTOBER 7th, WHEN THE ISRAELI ARMY STRUGGLED TO RESPOND, PICKED UP HIS OWN PISTOL AND DROVE STRAIGHT INTO THE FIRE TO SAVE HIS FAMILY.

NOAM TIBON, WELCOME FROM JERUSALEM.

SO, OF COURSE, THIS IS PERSONAL FOR YOU, AND ALSO NATIONAL FOR YOU.

I JUST DESCRIBED BRIEFLY WHAT YOU DID ON OCTOBER 7th AND SAVED HUNDREDS OF OTHERS AS WELL AS YOUR OWN FAMILY.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE THINKING TODAY WHEN YOU SEE THE MASTERMIND OF THOSE MASSACRES DEAD.

>> WHAT I REALLY FEEL IS JUSTICE.

JUSTICE HAVE BEEN MADE.

BECAUSE YAHYA SINWAR, A CRAZY PSYCHOPATH, WHICH BASICALLY WAS THE ARCHITECT AND GAVE THE ORDER TO KILL, TO SLAUGHTER, TO RAPE INNOCENT ISRAELIS, AND I THINK THAT THIS WAS VERY IMPORTANT.

IT'S NOT A REVENGE.

IT'S JUSTICE.

AND THIS IS WHAT I FELT.

AND BASICALLY, WHAT I FEEL RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY, REALLY, TO CHANGE AND MOVE FORWARD REGARD TO HOSTAGES DEAL WITH THE PEOPLE OF GAZA.

BECAUSE SINWAR, BEFORE HE DIED, HE SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO GAZA, HOW GAZA DESTROYED COMPLETELY.

AND NOW WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, AND THIS IS BECOMING THE MAIN EFFORT OF ISRAEL, TO BRING THE HOSTAGES BACK HOME IN A DEAL.

AND VICTORY WILL BE ONLY WHEN THE HOSTAGES WILL BE BACK HOME AND ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE KIBBUTZIM THAT SUFFERED SO MUCH ON OCTOBER 7th WILL GO BACK HOME SAFELY, INCLUDE MY SMALL FAMILY, MY SON AND MY GRANDDAUGHTER.

>> WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE YOUR GOVERNMENT DO NOW?

WE'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF OUR DISTINGUISHED GUESTS TONIGHT ABOUT NEEDING A PLAN, A PROPER PLAN, A STRATEGY, NOT JUST SUCCESSFUL TACTICS TO, A, BRING BACK THE HOSTAGES, AS YOU SAY, AND TRY TO SOLVE THE SITUATION.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR GOVERNMENT TO DO NOW?

>> AS YOU KNOW, I'M CRITICIZING THIS GOVERNMENT FROM OCTOBER 7th BECAUSE THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE TO THE FAILURE, AND BASICALLY, BENJAMIN NETANYAHU IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE TO THIS ONGOING HOSTAGES HUGE MORAL STRATEGIC PROBLEM TO THE STATE OF ISRAEL.

AND THE MAIN PROBLEM THAT ACCORDING TO THIS LONG WAR, BASICALLY NETANYAHU WAS RELYING TOO MUCH ON HIS CRAZY PARTNERS BENDER WHICH TOOK HIM TO THE VERY EXTREME POSITION.

AND I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO CREATE A STRATEGY TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE OF GAZA AND TO JUST LIKE WE WENT TO AN OFFENSIVE MILITARY ACTION TO GO TO AN OFFENSIVE POLITICAL ACTION, IN ORDER TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM IN GAZA, TO BRING THE HOSTAGES BACK HOME, NOT TO WAIT TO THE HAMAS, NOT TO WAIT FOR SINWAR, BROTHER OR ANYONE ELSE, TO TAKE THE INITIATIVE, JUST LIKE WE DID ON THE GROUND, TO TAKE THE POLITICAL INITIATIVE, TALK TO THE PEOPLE OF GAZA, GO TO QATAR, GO TO EGYPT, AND CREATE A STAGE TO BRING THE HOSTAGES BACK HOME, CREATE A STAGE TO REPLACE HAMAS GOVERNMENT IN GAZA, AND BASICALLY, TO ACHIEVE THE WAR.

BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WHAT WE LEARNED FROM NASRALLAH IS BASICALLY, WHEN TIME IS GOING ON, YOU ARE LOSING THE MOMENTUM.

YOU ARE LOSING THE EFFECT OF THIS KILLING OF THE HEAD.

AND THAT'S WHY WE NED TO MOVE VERY FAST IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE AND SAVE THE HOSTAGES' LIFE.

>> YOUR OWN SON AMIR, WHO YOU RESCUED SAID HE MOVED DOWN TO THE SOUTH TO THE KIBBUTZ THERE TO CREATE A COMMUNITY WITH THE PALESTINIANS IN GAZA.

AND I WONDER WHETHER YOU'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT AND WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN.

I WONDER WHETHER YOU THINK IT WILL HAPPEN?

AND YOUR SON, WHO IS A JOURNALIST, SAID THE STATE OF ISRAEL IS IN TERRIBLE DANGER, THAT IF ISRAELIS DON'T FIGHT TO KEEP THE COUNTRY DEMOCRATIC, PROPERLY MANAGED, IT ACTUALLY MAY NOT SURVIVE.

JUST WITHIN, MUCH LESS FROM WHAT'S HAPPENING WITHOUT.

I MEAN, THIS IS A CRUCIAL MOMENT.

>> I TOTALLY AGREE, AND OF COURSE I'M VERY PROUD OF MY SON AMIR.

-- I BELIEVE VERY IMPORTANT TO READING IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE LIFE ON THE BORDER.

NOT ONLY WHAT HAPPENED IN OCTOBER 7, BUT BASICALLY, WHAT I BELIEVE IS, NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE FOUR LEGS TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY -- STRONG MILITARY FORCE, STRONG ECONOMY, STRONG DEMOCRACY, AND SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND WE NEED TO WORK ON ALL THOSE FOUR LEGS, INCLUDE OUR DEMOCRACY.

AND, YES, WE WENT THROUGH A TERRIBLE CRISIS ON OCTOBER 7.

IT WAS A HUGE FAILURE.

WE CREATE DETERRENTS.

I'M SO PROUD OF OUR SOLDIERS ON THE GROUND.

AND BY THE WAY, YOUNG SOLDIERS KILLED SINWAR, WHICH IS GREAT IN MY EYES.

BUT RIGHT NOW WHAT WE NEED IS NOT TO CONTINUE THIS WAR BUT TO TRY TO CHANGE THE REALITY, TO FINISH THE WAR IN GAZA, TO BRING THE HOSTAGES BACK HOME, TO FINISH THE WAR IN LEBANON, AND TO CREATE A REAL SECURITY TO THE PEOPLE IN THE NORTH.

AND, YES, TO START TO REBUILD AND TAKE CARE OF OUR INTERNAL PROBLEMS AND BRING ISRAEL BACK TO THE PLACE WHICH IS A STRONG, PROUD DEMOCRACY HERE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

>> AND I JUST WANT TO END BY ASKING YOU TO TAKE US BACK TO THAT DAY, OCTOBER 7th.

BECAUSE YOU WERE GETTING TEXTS AND YOU DIDN'T -- YOU COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT ACTUALLY THE MILITARY WASN'T DOWN THERE IN THE SOUTH ALREADY, YOU KNOW, HELPING ON OCTOBER 7th.

AND YOU WENT WITH YOUR WIFE DRIVING THE CAR.

TELL ME ABOUT THAT.

>> YOU KNOW, ON THAT DAY, I WAS WORKING, ACCORDING TO MY INSTINCT AS A FATHER AND A GRANDFATHER.

AND ACCORDING TO MY VALUES.

AND I USE ALL MY KNOWLEDGE AS A SOLDIER AND AS A GENERAL TO ACHIEVE MY MISSION.

AND MY MISSION WAS TO RESCUE MY FAMILY.

BECAUSE THE FAILURE WAS SO BIG AND BECAUSE BASICALLY THE WHOLE AREA WAS OCCUPIED BY HAMAS, IT BECOME A REAL, YOU KNOW, BATTLE ON EVERY POINT, ON EVERY METER.

AND IF THERE IS SOMETHING WHICH I'M SO PROUD THAT ON THAT DAY, ACCORDING TO MY VALUES, I RESCUE PEOPLE FROM THE NOVA FESTIVAL.

I RESCUE WOUNDED SOLDIERS, AND, OF COURSE, I RESCUE ALL THE PEOPLE OF KIBBUTZ THAT STAYED ALIVE.

AND YES, I WAS VERY PROUD TO FIGHT WITH YOUNG SOLDIERS OF UNIT ON THE KIBBUTZ.

BUT VICTORY WILL BE ONLY WHEN THE PEOPLE THE KIBBUTZ WILL GO BACK HOME WITH THE TWO HOSTAGES THAT THEY STILL HAVE FROM KIBBUTZ IN THE HAND OF THE HAMAS.

AND THEY WILL FEEL COMPLETELY SECURE.

MY GRANDDAUGHTER WILL GO TO THE KINDERGARTEN, AND THEY CAN LIVE NORMAL LIFE NEAR GAZA WHERE THERE IS NO MILITARY HAMAS IN GAZA THAT CAN STRIKE THEM ON DAILY BUYS SIS.

AND I BELIEVE TODAY WE MADE A STEP FORWARD.

AND WE NEED TO MOVE FAST ON THE POLITICAL CHANNEL, IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THIS MAIN GOALS OF THE WAR.

>> SO MANY OF YOUR COMPATRIOTS AND SO MANY OF YOUR ALLIES AROUND THE WORLD IN THE UNITED STATES AGREE WITH YOU, THAT THE POLITICAL TRACK NEEDS TO BE -- NEEDS TO BE FAST-TRACKED.

AND SO FAR THERE ISN'T ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT.

MAYBE WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PRIME MINISTER IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE ELIMINATION OF YAHYA SINWAR.

NOAM TIBON, THANK YOU SO MUCH INDEED FOR JOINING US.

HERE'S WHAT THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT SAID EARLIER TODAY.

>> Translator: CITIZENS OF ISRAEL, A YEAR AGO WE CELEBRATED SUKKOT.

AND AT EXACT TIME, YAHYA SINWAR WAS MAKING FINAL PREPARATIONS FOR THE MASSACRE.

I STAND BEFORE YOU TO INFORM YOU YAHYA SINWAR HAS BEEN ELIMINATED.

THE PERSON WHO COMMITTED THE MOST TERRIBLE MASSACRE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR NATION SINCE THE HOLOCAUST, THE MASS MURDERER WHO MURDERED THOUSANDS OF ISRAELIS AND KEEPS HUNDREDS OF OUR CITIZENS WAS ELIMINATED TODAY BY OUR HEROIC SOLDIERS.

AND TODAY, AS WE PROMISED TO DO, WE CAME TO ACCOUNT WITH HIM.

TODAY EVIL HAS SUFFERED A HEAVY BLOW.

BUT THE TASK BEFORE US IS NOT YET COMPLETE.

TO THE DEAR FAMILIES OF THE HOSTAGES, I SAY THIS IS AN IMPORTANT MOMENT IN THE WAR.

WE WILL CONTINUE WITH ALL OUR STRENGTHS UNTIL THE RETURN HOME OF ALL OF YOUR LOVED ONES WHO ARE OUR LOVED ONES.

THIS IS OUR HIGHEST COMMITMENT.

THIS MY HIGHEST COMMITMENT.

AND TO THE RESIDENT OF GAZA I SAY SINWAR RUINED YOUR LIFE.

HE TOLD YOU HE WAS A LION, BUT IN RETAIL HE WAS HIDING IN A DARK DEN AND HE WAS KILLED WHEN HE FLED IN A PANIC FROM OUR SOLDIERS.

HIS ELIMINATION IS AN IMPORTANT LANDMARK IN THE DECLINE OF THE EVIL RULE OF HAMAS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AGAIN IN THE CLEAREST WAY HAMAS WILL NO LONGER RULE GAZA.

THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY AFTER HAMAS.

AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU, THE RESIDENT OF GAZA, TO FINALLY BREAK FREE FROM ITS TYRANNY.

I CALL ON EVERYONE WHO HOLD OUR HOSTAGES.

I CALL WHOEVER LAYS DOWN HIS WEAPON AND RETURN OUR HOSTAGES, WE'LL ALLOW HIM TO GO OUT AND LEAVE.

AND IN THE SAME WAY I SAY WHOEVER HARM OUR HOSTAGES, BLOOD ON HIS HEAD.

WE WILL RECKON WITH HIM.

THE RETURN OF OUR HORJHODGE HOSS IS AN A OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THE END OF THE WAR CLOSER.

THE DARKNESS RECEDES AND LIGHT RISES.

DEATH, SINWAR, NASRALLAH, AND MANY OF THEIR ASSOCIATES ARE GONE.

I'M CALLING YOU, PEOPLE OF THE REGION, WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO STOP THE AXIS OF EVIL AND CREATE A DIFFERENT FUTURE, A FUTURE OF PEACE, A FUTURE OF PROSPERITY IN THE ENTIRE REGION.

TOGETHER WE CAN REPEL THE CURSE AND PROMOTE THE BLESSING.

NOW IT IS CLEAR TO EVERYONE IN ISRAEL AND IN THE WORLD WHY WE INSISTED ON NOT ENDING THE WAR, WHY WE DID INSIST IN THE FACE OF OLDER PRESSURES TO ENTER RAFAH, THE 45 STRONGHOLD OF HAMAS WHERE SINWAR AND MANY OF THE MURDERERS HID.

I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY DEEP APPRECIATION TO THE IDF AND SHIN BET FIGHTERS AND THEIR COMMANDERS FOR THEIR COURAGEOUS ACTION.

THERE ARE NONE BETTER THAN THEM.

TODAY WE CLARIFIED AGAIN WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE WHO HURT US.

TODAY WE ONCE AGAIN SHOW THE WORLD THE VICTORY OF GOOD OVER EVIL.

BUT THE WAR, MY DEARS, IS NOT OVER YET.

AND IT IS DIFFICULT, AND IT EXACTS HEAVY PRICES FROM US.

I WISH TO EXPRESS MY CONDOLENCE FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART TO THE FAMILIES WHO LOST THEIR LOVED ONES.

I WANT TO HUG THE FAMILIES OF OUR FALLEN HEROES.

THEIR SUPREME SACRIFICE INCLUDING THE LAST FEW DAYS BRINGS US CLOSER TO VICTORY.

AS KING DAVID SAID, "I WILL PURSUE MY ENEMIES AND DESTROY THEM, AND I WILL NOT RETURN TO THEIR END."

CITIZENS OF ISRAEL, WE ARE IN THE RESURRECTION WORLD.

BIG CHARGES ARE STILL AHEAD OF US THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR LONG PATIENCE, FOR UNITY OF RANKS, FOR COURAGE, FOR FIRM STAND.

TOGETHER WE WILL FIGHT, AND WITH GOD'S HELP, TOGETHER WE WILL WIN.

>> A GRATIFIED AND STILL DEFIANT ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER SAYING CRUCIALLY THAT THE WAR DOES NOT END, AND PAINTING A PICTURE OF ALL THESE TERRORIST LEADERS, AS HE CALLS THEM, WHO HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED AND PERHAPS GIVES A NEW OPPORTUNITY AND A NEW CHAPTER TO THE PEOPLE OF GAZA, HE SAID, THE PEOPLE OF LEBANON.

AND HE INCLUDED THE WIDER REGION.

SO, NOW, CRUCIALLY, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR PALESTINIANS?

THE CIVILIANS IN GAZA WHO HAVE BEEN UNDER RELENTLESS FIRE MORE MORE THAN A YEAR.

TENS OF THOUSANDS ARE DEAD.

LET'S HEAR FROM MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI, THE PRESIDENT OF THE PALESTINIAN NATIONAL INITIATIVE WHOSE JOINING ME FROM RAMALLAH NOW IN THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK.

MR. BARGHOUTI, WELCOME BACK TO OUR PROGRAM.

THIS IS QUITE A MOMENTOUS DAY IN THE PROSECUTION OF THIS WAR OVER THE LAST YEAR.

BEFORE I ASK YOU TO REACT TO NETANYAHU, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU AS A PALESTINIAN FEEL MIGHT BE THE IMPACT OF THE ELIMINATION OF YAHYA SINWAR.

>> WELL, I'M AFRAID THAT WHAT HAPPENED IS NOT REALLY COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT THE ISRAELI SIDE IS SAYING.

I THINK THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A PHOTO VICTORY, OR AN IMAGE OF VICTORY, BUT SINWAR GAVE THEM A DIFFERENT IMAGE.

AND THE FACT THAT THEY DISTRIBUTED THE IMAGES OF HIS BODY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE BY ALL TERMS, HAS REVEALED THAT HE WAS FIGHTING.

HE WAS NOT HIDING IN A TUNNEL, AS NETANYAHU CLAIMED.

HE WAS NOT HIDING BEHIND PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS, TAKING THEM AS HUMAN SHIELDS, AS ISRAELI PROPAGANDA USED TO SAY.

HE WAS NOT HIDING BEHIND ISRAELI PRISONERS OR CAPTIVES, AS THEY ALSO CLAIMED.

HE WAS FIGHTING.

AND THIS IMAGE WILL MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE A HERO FOR MOST PALESTINIANS AND MOST ARABS, AND MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST ISRAELI OCCUPATION AND AGAINST THE OPERATION THAT PALESTINIANS ARE SUBJECTED TO.

SO IN MY OPINION, SINWAR ONE MORE TIME HAS FAILED THE ISRAELIS.

HE HAS FAILED THEIR INTELLIGENCE.

THEY COULDN'T GET TO HIM.

NOT ONLY ON THE 7th OF OCTOBER, BUT DURING THE WHOLE LAST YEAR, AND THEY ADMIT THAT.

AND HE FOUGHT.

HE WAS COURAGEOUS, AND HE WAS NOT A COWARD, AS THEY CLAIM.

BUT THE BIG QUESTION HERE IS AFTER THE DEATH OF SINWAR, WILL THIS PUSH FOR ENDING THIS TERRIBLE WAR?

WILL THIS FORCE NETANYAHU TO ACCEPT A CEASEFIRE?

I DOUBT IT.

BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, NETANYAHU DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE ISRAELI HOSTAGES AS HE CLAIM.

HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THEIR LIVES.

ALL HE WANTS IS TO EXPAND THIS WAR.

AND HE IS SUBSTITUTING AN OCCUPATION IN THE WEST BANK BY ENLARGING IT AND MAKING IT AN OCCUPATION OF WEST BANK, OF GAZA STRIP, OF BIG PARTS OF LEBANON, AS HE HOPES.

AND HE WANTS TO DRAG THE WHOLE REGION INTO A TERRIBLE REGIONAL WAR, HOPING EVEN TO DRAG THE UNITED STATES INTO A WAR WITH IRAN.

SO THE DEATH OF SINWAR, IF IT IS TRUE WILL IN MY OPINION EXPOSE NETANYAHU EVEN FURTHER AS A PERSON WHO DOESN'T WANT TO END THIS TERRIBLE SITUATION.

AND LET ME TELL YOU QUICKLY THAT TODAY AT THIS VERY MOMENT, THE PEOPLE OF GAZA ARE SUFFERING HORRIBLY.

GAZA IS WITHOUT WATER, WITHOUT FOOD FOR 13 DAYS.

THEY ARE UNDER TERRIBLE SIEGE.

THEY ARE COME BARDED CONSTANTLY.

CIVILIANS ARE DYING AROUND THE CLOCK.

PEOPLE WHO BURN TO DEATH AND MOST RECENT ISRAELI STRIKES IN AN AREA WHICH IS A HOSPITAL.

SO THE PUBLIC OF GAZA IS SUFFERING.

150,000 IS THE NUMBER OF PALESTINIANS KILLED OR INJURED SINCE THE 7th OF OCTOBER.

AND THIS ATROCITY, THIS MASSACRE MUST STOP.

AND IT WILL NOT STOP UNLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FORCES NETANYAHU AND ISRAEL TO STOP.

>> MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY POINTING OUT THE TERRIBLE SUFFERING ALSO OF THE PEOPLE OF GAZA, THE PALESTINIANS, TENS OF THOUSANDS.

I'M ASSUMING YOU FEEL YOU HAVE TO DEFEND SINWAR, THOUGH I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY BECAUSE HAMAS IS AGAINST YOU AND AGAINST WHAT YOU STAND FOR.

AND NOBODY CAN REALLY KNOW WHAT SINWAR WAS DOING.

CERTAINLY RONEN BERGMAN SAYS THAT HE WAS PROBABLY COMING UP AS THEY KNOW FOR AIR FOR OXYGEN AND WAS CAUGHT WITH, YOU KNOW, HIS DEFENSES DOWN, SO TO SPEAK.

WE'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE FROM GAZA IN THE LAST FEW HOURS IT'S BEEN REPORTED THAT SOME OF THEM ARE GLAD THAT HE IS GONE BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT HE BROUGHT DOWN THE HORRENDOUS RAIN OF BOMBS AND FIRE ON THEM FOR THE LAST YEAR.

SOME OF THEM ARE NOT GLAD BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT HE IS THE ONLY SO-CALLED RESISTANCE LEADER.

BUT THOSE WHO ARE GLAD, DON'T YOU THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE GLAD AND TO HOPE FOR SOMETHING ELSE?

BECAUSE NOTHING WAS GOING WELL FOR THEM WHILE SINWAR WAS IN CHARGE.

>> CHRISTIANE, I DON'T DEFEND SINWAR.

I DEFEND PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.

I DEFEND THE RIGHT OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE OF THE RIGHT TO BE FREE.

AND IF WE DID NOT HAVE THE ISRAELI OCCUPATION, IF I DIDN'T GROW UP ALL MY LIFE UNDER ISRAELI OCCUPATION, YOU DIDN'T HAVE SEEN SINWAR AND HAMAS.

IF ISRAEL STOPPED ITS OCCUPATION AND ENDED THE SYSTEM OF SETTLER COLONIALISM AND STOP THE ATROCITIES, INCLUDING THE ETHNIC CLEANSES OF MORE THAN 70% OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE, WE COULDN'T BE IN THIS SITUATION.

SO IF YOU ASK ME, I WOULD TELL YOU THE LAST THING THAT ANYBODY SHOULD DO IS TO BLAME THE VICTIM.

AND THE LAST THING THAT ONE SHOULD DO IS NOT TO SEE US PALESTINIANS AS EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS.

IF A JEWISH LIFE IS PRECIOUS, A PALESTINIAN LIFE ALSO SHOULD BE PRECIOUS.

AND IF IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO KILL AN ISRAELI CHILD, IT IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE ALSO TO KILL 17,000 PALESTINIAN CHILDREN.

NO, I DON'T THINK THAT THE PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT SINWAR IN THE WAY THAT IS DESCRIBED AND PROBABLY FROM ISRAELI MEDIA OUTLETS.

I THINK THEY WILL PERCEIVE HIM AS A HERO WHO FOUGHT.

AND I'M NOT DEFENDING HIM HERE AS MUCH AS I AM STATING TO YOU THE FACTS THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD UNDERSTAND AND KNOW.

AND THE REALITY IS THAT PALESTINIAN RESISTANCE IS THERE, BECAUSE WE ARE OPPRESSED AND UNDER OCCUPATION, DEPRIVED OF OUR LIVES, DEPRIVED OF OUR FREEDOM, DEPRIVED OF OUR RIGHT TO BE PROSPER AND HAVE PEACE.

WE STRUGGLED ALL OUR LIFE.

WHETHER WE STRUGGLE IN A PEACEFUL WAY OR IN OTHER WAYS, WE ARE ALWAYS OPPRESSED.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE WORLD MUST UNDERSTAND.

THE REALITY IS THAT 7th OF OCTOBER AND I REPEAT WAS NOT A CAUSE, IT WAS A REASON, AN OUTCOME OF ENDLESS OCCUPATION OF SETTLER COLONIALISM, OF OPPRESSION, AND OF A SYSTEM OF ETHNIC CLEANSING.

>> MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI, I BELIEVE EVERYBODY BELIEVES THAT NO ISRAELI OR NO PALESTINIAN CHILD DESERVES TO BE KILLED.

I THINK THE WHOLE WORLD HAS REACTED TO WHAT THEY'VE SEEN OVER THIS LAST YEAR ALL OVER THIS HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE WAR THAT STARTED OCTOBER 7th.

BUT I WANT TO KNOW FROM YOU, BECAUSE AS YOU HEARD, NOAM TIBON, HE ALSO BELIEVES, THERE NEEDS TO BE WORK TO REBUILD OR BUILD PROPER RELATIONS IN JUSTICE WITH THE PALESTINIANS.

THAT'S BEEN YOUR LIFE'S WORK AS WELL.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ANY WINDOW NOW FOR SOME KIND OF REBOOTING OF A POLITICAL SITUATION?

YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE UNITED STATES ON YOUR SIDE.

YOU HAVE EUROPE.

YOU HAVE ALL THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN A TWO-STATE SOLUTION, JUSTICE, SECURITY, DIGNITY FOR ALL.

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>> I BELIEVE THAT CAN BE A WINDOW IF ALL DOORS, INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES ADMINISTRATION WHO SPEAK ABOUT TWO-STATE SOLUTION WILL COMBINE THAT WITH SAYING THAT THE ISRAELI MILITARY OCCUPATION OF PALESTINIAN LAND WOULD END AND THAT ALL ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS ACCORDING TO INTERNATIONAL LAW AND EVEN ACCORDING TO AMERICAN POLICY WILL BE REMOVED OUT OF THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES.

RATHER THAN BUILDING NEW SETTLEMENTS NOW IN GAZA.

AND FINALLY, THAT THEY WOULD RECOGNIZE THE STATE OF PALESTINIAN.

IF THESE THREE THINGS HAPPEN, WE WOULD BELIEVE THOSE WHO SPEAK ABOUT TWO-STATE SOLUTION.

IF THEY DON'T SAY THAT, THEN IT'S JUST A HYPOCRISY, GIVING ISRAEL TIME, MORE TIME TO CONTINUE TO THE OCCUPATION AND CONTINUE SETTLEMENT BUILDING AND CONTINUE WHAT NETANYAHU IS DOING, WHICH IS KILLING ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR PEACE OR FOR TWO-STATE SOLUTION.

I THINK WE CAN GET TO PEACE.

BUT NOW AT THIS VERY MOMENT, I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO BE FAIR AND HONEST WITH YOU AS I TRY ALWAYS TO BE.

UNDER NETANYAHU'S GOVERNMENT AND HIS FASCIST MINISTERS, THERE WILL BE NO OPENING TO A WINDOW OF PEACE.

THIS GOVERNMENT HAS TO BE REMOVED.

>> SO LET ME ASK YOU WHAT ABOUT IS IT TIME TO FINALLY ADMIT THE PEOPLE LIKE SINWAR, WHO WERE PUBLIC AND WENT ON RECORD AND OTHER HAMAS LEADERS SAYING THAT OUR FIGHT NEEDS THE DEATHS OR THE SACRIFICE OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OR WHATEVER OF PALESTINIANS, THAT IS OUR FIGHT.

THEY HAVE TO PAY THE PRICE.

ARE YOU READY TO SAY THAT THAT JUST HASN'T WORKED?

IT JUST HASN'T WORKED.

>> I'M READY TO TELL YOU THAT I BELIEVE THAT EVENTUALLY PEACE IS POSSIBLE.

I BELIEVE THAT OF COURSE ONE ACT OF VIOLENCE LEADS TO ANOTHER ACT OF VIOLENCE.

OF COURSE.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT ALSO, I MUST SAY THAT EVEN HAMAS WAS READY TO ACCEPT A COMPROMISE.

EVEN HAMAS WAS READY TO ACCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE OF 1967 BORDERS.

AND ALL OF THAT WAS IGNORED.

AND I WANT TO SAY IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT WASN'T THE PALESTINIAN SIDE THAT OBSTRUCTED THE CEASEFIRE.

IT WAS NETANYAHU.

AND THE PROOF WILL BE IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE COMING DAYS, BECAUSE NOW SINWAR, AS THEY SAY, IS KILLED.

NOW WHO IS OBSTRUCTING THE WAY TO CEASEFIRE?

I THINK IT'S NETANYAHU.

AND IT'S TIME FOR THE WEST AND ESPECIALLY THE UNITED STATES ADMINISTRATION AND SPECIALLY PEOPLE LIKE KAMALA HARRIS TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS TIME TO STOP BEING TOTALLY BIASED TO ISRAEL.

IT IS TIME TO RESPECT THE VALUES THAT AMERICAN PRESIDENTS SPEAK ABOUT, THE VALUES OF HUMAN RIGHTS, THE VALUES OF INTERNATIONAL LAW THAT ISRAEL HAS VIOLATED DRAMATICALLY, CONTINUOUSLY IN THE MOST VICIOUS WAY.

>> MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI -- >> IT'S TIME TO SEE THE PALESTINIANS AS THEY SHOULD BE SEEN, EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS.

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>> AND FINALLY TONIGHT, IN THESE DARK TIMES, IT IS THE HUMANITY THAT OFFERS A GLIMMER OF LIGHT.

THIS WAR HAS WIDENED TO INCLUDE LEBANON AND PERHAPS SOON IRAN.

AS LEBANON FEARS GAZAIFICATION UNDER ISRAELI BOMBARDMENT, IN THE NORTHERN CITY OF TRIPOLI, THIS SOAP FACTORY HAS OPENED ITS DOORS TO FAMILIES DISPLACED BY THE WAR, OFFERING SHELTER, FOOD, AND ENTERTAINMENT WITH A PURPOSE, LIKE SOAP-MAKING.

HERE YOU CAN SEE CHILDREN BEING TAUGHT HOW TO MOLD SOAPS INTO VARIOUS DIFFERENT SHAPES AND COLORS.

THEY'RE NOT JUST MAKING A USEFUL SANITARY ITEM, BUT IT'S ALSO A CREATIVE ACTIVITY TO HELP TAKE THEIR MINDS OFF THE SURROUNDING TURMOIL.

SEEING HOW HAPPY THE CHILDREN ARE, QUOTE, MAKES OUR HEARTS BIG, SAYS FACTORY OWNER AMID BARA HASSOUN.

HE HOPES THIS SHOWS THE POWER OF KINDNESS TRANSCENDING RACE OR RELIGION.

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