Reflections on the 10th Anniversary of the Arab Spring

AMNA GUELLALI, DEPUTY REGIONAL DIRECTOR FOR MIDDLE EAST, AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL: At the time when Mohamed Bouazizi set himself on fire and all the protests erupted throughout the country, we didn’t really think that, a month later, we — there would be the fall of the regime. We thought that there is a movement that is really incredibly powerful, but that it will run against also a very important repression. There were people who were killed. And nobody really expected that, on the 14th of January, Ben Ali would flee the country, after more than — after tens of years in power. And so this was really a moment of incredible strength, a moment of inspiration for all of the people who took to the streets, because they really saw that their demands and their desire to get rid of the dictatorship were successful, and that we had a new country to build. That was really what people felt at the time, that we need to build new foundations in Tunisia.

CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR: Right. And, actually, Tunisia has emerged better than most. And we will get back to what’s happening there now. But, Ahdaf Soueif, it happened in Egypt about a month later about this time 10 years ago. And you were there. Tell me what has been the result. We asked, what has the region got to show for it? What has Egypt got to show for the Tahrir Square revolution?

AHDAF SOUEIF, EGYPTIAN NOVELIST AND ACTIVIST: Well, that’s something, of course, Christiane, that we discussed ad infinitum. We’re actually in a much worse place now than we were 10 years ago, in terms of the deterioration of the country, in terms of the hollowing out of institutions, the economy, and certainly human rights. However, it — a revolution provides a kind of benchmark, a kind of moment in history that we can refer to. And, also, it has created an amount of change in people’s — a huge amounts of change, I think, in people’s psyches, if you like. There’s a much higher level of political awareness now. And there’s kind of more interest in information.