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# BERNARD AND DENISE SCHWARTZ.
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> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE, I'M BIANAGOLODRGA.
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MIGRANTS REPORTEDLY BEING WEAPONIZED BY THE LEADER ALEXANDER LUKASHENKO AFTER IT IMPOSED SANCTIONS BACK IN MAY.
IT LED TO A SHARP RISE IN MIGRANT CROSSINGS INTO POLAND AND -- DOZENS HAVE BEEN STUCK FOR SEVERAL WEEKS IN APPALLING CONDITIONS.
LAST YEAR THERE WERE 122 MIGRANTS CAUGHT AT THE BORDER.
AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL IS NOW ACCUSING POLAND OF ILLEGALLY PUSHING MIGRANTS BACK, AND THE EU PLANS TO SUSPEND VISAS FOR BELL RUSE OFFICIALS IN AN ATTEMPT TO DETER THEM.
LUKASHENKO IS ACCUSED OF MULTIPLE HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES.
MATTHEW CHANCE JUST SAT DOWN WITH HIM FOR AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW AND ASKED ABOUT THIS.
WOULD YOU TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY NOW TO APOLOGIZE TO THE PEOPLE OF BELARUS FOR THE HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES THAT THEY'VE SUFFERED AT YOUR HANDS?
Translator: NO, I WOULD NOT LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY.
IF EVER I WOULD, I WOULD DO THAT THROUGH THE BELARUSIAN MEDIA.
THEY'RE QUITE GOOD HERE.
WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF DOING IT ON CNN.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS A RELEVANT QUESTION, AND I HAVE NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE FOR.
HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH SAYS MULTIPLE DETAINEES, BROKEN BONES, BROKEN TEETH, BRAIN INJURIES, ELECTRICAL BURNS.
AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL SPEAKS OF DETENTION CENTERS BECOMING TORTURE CHAMBERS WHERE PROTESTERS WERE FORCED TO LIE IN THE DIRT, STRIPPED MAKE ED, WHILE POLICE KICKED AND BEAT THEM WITH TRUNCHEONS.
YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S WORTH APOLOGIZING FOR?
DON'T HAVE A SINGLE DETENTION CENTER AS YOU SAY LIKE GUANTANAMO OR THOSE BASES THE UNITED STATES AND YOUR COUNTRY CREATED IN EASTERN EUROPE.
AS THE GUARDS OUR OWN DETENTION CENTERS, THEY ARE NO WORSE THAN IN BRITAIN OR THE UNITED STATES.
I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU DISCUSS CONCRETE FACTS AND NOT THE VIEWS OR STATEMENTS OF SOME EPHEMERAL HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS.
I DON'T THINK HUMAN RIGHTSTYL ARE DUBIOUS.
THEY'RE STANDARDS IN HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISM AND THEY'VE ALL GOT TESTIMONY OF FORMER DETAINEES IN YOUR PRISON DETENTION CENTERS, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, WHO HAVE SPOKEN OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE AGAINST THEM INCLUDING RAPE AND THREATS OF RAPE.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT IS JUST MADE UP, THAT IT'S FAKE?
Translator: EVERYTHING YOU'VE JUST SAID IS FAKE AND FANTASY.
I GUARANTEE YOU, IT'S FAKE AND FANTASY.
LISTENING TO THAT, AND JOINING ME NOW IS EUROPEAN COMMISSION VICE PRESIDENT SCINAS.THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
I KNOW THAT YOU JUST LISTENED TO THAT INTERVIEW, AND WHILE WE ARE USED TO THESE ATTACKS AND THE WHAT ABOUTISMS THAT ARE CLASSIC FROM VLADIMIR PUTIN AND ALEXANDER LUKASHENKO, DEFLECTING TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE BRITAIN AND THE UNITED STATES HE SAYS HE HAS NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE FOR.
WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THAT?
MY REACTION TO THAT IS THAT WE LIVE IN EUROPE IN DEMOCRACY.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT REMINDS US OF HOW EUROPE USED TO BE, BEFORE DEMOCRACY REIGNS, IS THIS SORT OF STATEMENTS BY EUROPE'S LAST DICTATOR.
I THINK I WOULD NOT DIGNIFY THESE COMMENTS WITH A COMMENT.
WE'RE VERY PROUD IN THE EUROPEAN UNION FOR YEARS NOW TO KEEP WORKING FOR PEACE, PROSPERITY AND UNDERSTANDING AMONGST THE PEOPLE.
SO THEN WHAT IS BEING DONE WITH THIS PARTICULAR CRISIS AT HAND?
WE KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL MIGRANTS WHO HAVE DIED, MANY SUFFERING FROM HYPOTHERMIA, DEHYDRATION, EXHAUSTION, AND THERE ARE REPORTS BELARUS IS BRINGING SOME OF THESE MIGRANTS INTO THE COUNTRY TO IMPOSE THEM UPON THEIR NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES.I KNOW THAT YOU SAY YD FOR DEMOCRACY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO COMBAT WHAT YOU'VE CALLED THE LAST DICTATOR IN EUROPE?
BIANNA, LET ME FIRST TELL YOU THESE ARE NOT REPORTS, THESE ARE FACTS.
I WAS MYSELF IN THE LITHUANIAN BORDER AT THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER, AND I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES.
THIS IS A SYSTEMATIC INSTRUMENTALIZATION, WEAPONIZATION OF HUMAN SUFFERING BY SOMEONE WHO BRINGS PEOPLE IN THE EU BORDER AND WITH THE HELP OF POLICE AND SPECIAL FORCES ACTUALLY PUSHES THEM INTO THE EUROPEAN UNION.
EUROPEAN UNION WILL NOT TOLERATE THE ABUSE OF PEOPLE AS TOOLS FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES.
YESTERDAY WE SUSPENDED THE VISA FACILITY FOR BELARUSIAN OFFICIALS AND WE ARE NOW WORKING CLOSELY WITH OUR MEMBERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE TACTICS CANNOT PROSPER.
NO ONE CAN INTIMIDATE THE EUROPEAN UNION. THE LITHUANIAN N MINISTER CALLS THIS HYBRID WARFARE AND SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST FROM BELARUS'S BENEFACTOR, VLADIMIR PUTIN, AS WELL.BUT THIS JUST GOES BACK TOE QUESTION OF DETERRENCE, AND REVOKING VISAS MAY NOT DETER HIM.
YOU SEE HIM UNFAZED IN THIS INTERVIEW WITH MATTHEW CHANCE.
THERE WERE SANCTIONS THAT WERE IMPOSED FOLLOWING THE HIJACKING OF THAT RYANAIR FLIGHT BACK IN MAY AND YET HE CONTINUES TO ACT SO AGGRESSIVELY AND EGREGIOUSLY.
I KNOW ACTIVISTS SAY THAT MORE DOES NEED TO BE DONE AND PERHAPS HE SHOULDN'T BE RECOGNIZED AT ALL.
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT IS NOW BY NOW CLEAR THAT OUR SANCTIONS AGAINST THE BELARUSIAN REGIME REMAIN INTACT.
WE ARE REENFORCING THIS WITH VISA MEASURES, WE ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY, AND WE WILL STEPPING UP PRESSURE AT THE U.N. AND WITH OUR ALLIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE SITUATION IS ADDRESSED EFFECTIVELY.
PARALLEL TO THAT, WE'RE HELPING OUR FRONTLINE MEMBER STATES, NAMELY LITHUANIA THAT HAS SUFFERED THE BIGGEST PART OF THE PRESSURE WITH 35, YEARS OF SUPPORT, WITH EU BORDER GUARDS IN PLACE WITH HELP FROM OTHER MEMBER STATES AND WE'RE DISPATCHING ALSO TEAMS IN POLAND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN GET EUROPEAN SUPPORT.
WE ARE OBLIGED BY THIS EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION TO ACTIVATE ALL RESOURCES AT OUR DISPOSAL TO HELP OUR MEMBER STATES WHICH ARE NOW SUFFERING UNDER THESE TACTICS.
AND WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO WHAT POLAND IS DOING IN SENDING THESE MIGRANTS BACK INTO BELARUS, SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THAT YOU AND YOUR OTHER MEMBER STATES DO NOT ENDORSE.
FIRST OF ALL, ONE HAS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT OUR POLISH PARTNERS ARE DEALING WITH AN EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION, JUST AS THE LITHUANIAN FRIENDS DID LAST MONTH, WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND IN DOING THIS, OF COURSE, IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT WE ARE THE EUROPEAN UNION SO THE PRINCIPLES OF OUR VALUES AND THE FACT THAT ANYONE CAN FILE FOR ASYLUM IN EUROPE ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE.IS IS NOT THE SA.
THESE MASSIVE INSTRUMENTALIZED ORCHESTRATED MOVEMENTS OF THOUSANDS OF DESPERATE PEOPLE BY A REGIME THAT WANTS TO ATTACK THE EUROPEAN UNION.
SO WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR POLISH FRIENDS AND POLISH AUTHORITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN ADDRESS THESE ISSUES EFFECTIVELY WITH THE COMMISSIONER FOR HOME AFFAIRS, IS IN WARSAW AS WE SPEAK AND WILL TRY TO ESTABLISH -- NOT YET FULLY CLEAR HERE IN BRUSSELS.
THIS WEEK POLAND'S INTERIOR MINISTER SAID IT'S FOUND MATERIAL RELATED TO ISLAMIC EXTREMISM ON THE PHONES OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CROSSED INTO THAT BORDER.
WHAT MORE DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT AND HAVE YOU OR YOUR COLLEAGUES BEEN ABLE TO CONFIRM THESE
NO, I CANNOT CONFIRM THESE CLAIMS.
WE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THIS INFORMATION. THE REPORTS BEING REPORTED IN THE POLISH PRESS AS YOU KNOW THERE IS AN EXCEPTIONAL SITUATION NOW THAT HAS BEEN CREATED IN THE BORDER SO THERE IS ACTUALLY LACK OF INFORMATION ON THE GROUND THAT IS PRECISELY WHY OUR HOME AFFAIRS COMMISSIONER IS TRAVELING TO WARSAW HERSELF AS WE SPEAK TO DETERMINE TO ESTABLISH THE FACTS AND PARALLEL TO THAT, WE'RE ASKING THE POLISH GOVERNMENT TO ALLOW OUR BORDER AND COAST GUARD AGENCY TO SEND REENFORCEMENTS AND BORDER GUARDS ON THE GROUND TO HELP WITH THIS EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION.
WELL, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL HAVE MORE ACCESS AND NGOs AND JOURNALISTS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOWED TO ENTER THE BORDER.
LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE BIGGER PICTURE HERE AND THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, THAT, OF COURSE, ISIMW OF RUSSIA'S PARTICIPATION OR AIDING OF THESE TACTICS BY LUKASHENKO.
WE DO NOT KNOW WHETHER THERE IS A RUSSIAN LINKING TO THIS WE'RE EXPERIENCING IN OURHAT EASTERN BORDERS, SINCE LAST JULY.
WE DO NOT KNOW THAT.
WE DO KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PUSHED INTO THE EUROPEAN UNION FLY INTO MINSK FROM A STATE ORGANIZED COMPANY WITH CHEAP FLIGHTS FROM CERTAIN MIDDLE EAST COUNTRIES, SOME OF WHICH HAVE SUSPENDED THESE FLIGHTS BECAUSE WE ASKED THEM TO DO SO, AND WE KNOW THAT THIS IS BELARUSIAN REGIME OFFICERS THAT ARE ESCORTING THESE PEOPLE AND PUSHING THEM INTO THE EUROPEAN UNION. ALL THIS, WE KNOW -- YESO AHEAD.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT, IF ANY, ROLE THAT RUSSIA HAS HERE, WE DO KNOW THAT PUTIN HAS A HUGE ROLE IN DETERRING LUKASHENKO IN WAYS THAT NO OTHER COUNTRY CAN AND FOR NO OTHER REASON HE'S A FINANCIAL BENEFACTOR FOR THE REGIME.
THEY JUST HAD JOINT MILITARY EXERCISES, THEY MET RECENTLY.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN CAN DO AT YOUR REQUEST, OR IS HE SOMEONE WHO YOU DON'T FIND TO BE AN HONEST BROKER ASSTORY S
AT THIS STAGE, I THINK WE OPTED TO WORK WITH THE COUNTRIES THAT ARE THE COUNTRIES OF ORIGIN OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY -- INTO BELARUS WITH SOME SUCCESS, IF IG WITH THE NATIONAL COMMUNITY IN THE U.N. TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SAME ARGUMENT IS -- PASSES IN THE REGION.
WE HAVEN'T ACTIVATED ANY RUSSIAN CONTACTS OR CHANNELS, AND FOR THE TIME BEING THIS SITUATION IN THE RUSSIAN LATVIAN BORDER DOES NOT SEEM TO BE PROBLEMATIC.
SO WE'RE CONCENTRATING EFFORTS ON BELARUS AND THE BORDER WITH LITHUANIAN POLAND.ET ME JUST ENU THIS QUESTION.
YOUR TITLE IS VICE PRESIDENT FOR PROMOTING OUR EUROPEAN WAY OF LIFE.
HOW MUCH LONGER CAN EUROPE CONTINUE WITH ITS UNIFIED WAY OF LIFE WITH, AS YOU CALLED HIM, AND MANY HAVE CALLED HIM CORRECT LY, I WOULD SAY, EUROPE'S LAST DICTATOR AT YOUR BORDERS.
YOU SEE, EUROPE IS CONFRONTED WITH AN INCREASINGLY UNCERTAIN AND UNSAFE WORLD, AND MANY OF OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS ARE LEADERS THAT DO NOT WISH TO SEE EUROPE PROSPER.
WE KNOW THAT.
AND ACTUALLY THE MORE THEY THINK OF ATTACKING EUROPE THE MORE THEY GALVANIZE OUR POLITICAL WILL HERE IN BRUSSELS AND IN OUR MEMBER STATES CAPITALS TO STICK TOGETHER.ERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE R EUROPEANS RATHER THAN TO HELP EACH OTHER AND STICK TOGETHER UNDER DIFFICULT SITUATIONS.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID WITH THE PANDEMIC, AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ON THIS AS WELL.
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS REVOKING VISAS, ENOUGH OF A DETERRENT, ONLY TIME WILL TELL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME.
THANK YOU, BIANNA.
> NOW TO THE U.S., WHERE THERE'S SOME MUCH NEEDED GOOD NEWS IN THE LONG FIGHT AGAINST COVID.
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE JUNE THE NUMBER OF PROJECTED COVIDDRE CDC PREDICTS HOSPITALIZATIONS WILL ALSO DECREASE ACROSS A BELEAGUERED NATION.
BUT THERE'S NO TIME TO REST.
WHILE AT LEAST ACCORDING TO MY NEXT GUEST ED YOUNG, A SCIENCE AND HEALTH WRITER FOR THE ATLANTIC.
HE WARNS IN HIS LATEST PIECE THAT WE'RE ALREADY BARRELLING TOWARD THE NEXT PANDEMIC AND THE TIME TO PREPARE FOR IT IS NOW.
HE JOINS US FROM WASHINGTON, D.C.
ED, ALWAYS GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON THE PROGRAM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US, SO AS YOU NOTE, IN THIS WONDERFUL PIECE, THAT THERE IS PANDEMIC FATIGUE IN THE COUNTRY, PEOPLE NOT ONLY ARE MOURNING THE LOSS OF LOVED ONES, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO RETURN TO SOME SENSE OF NORMALCY.
WHY DO YOU SAY NOW IS THE TIME TO PREPARE FOR THE NEXT CRISIS?
OUR WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY IS BRIEF, AND IS LIKELY ALREADY CLOSING, FOR MORE THAN A CENTURY WE'VE SEEN THAT EPIDEMICS ALWAYS LEAD TO SPIKES IN INTEREST AND INTENTION, AND THAT THOSE SPIKES ALWAYS DISAPPEAR, THAT INVESTMENTS ARE FOLLOWED BY DISINVESTMENTS, THAT ATTENTION IS FOLLOWED BY NEGLECT.
AND WE ARE GOING TO REPEAT THAT CYCLE UNLESS WE ACTIVELY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
AND WHILE I APPRECIATE THAT NO ONE WANTS TO BE THINKING ABOUT THE NEXT PANDEMIC, I ASSURE YOU THAT I DEFINITELY DO NOT.
WE HAVE TO.
WE ARE GOING TO BE FORCED TO.
BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, IF WE WAIT, IF WE ALLOW NEGLECT TO SEEP INTO OUR LIVES AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO BE REPEATING THE EVENTS OF THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF BECAUSE I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT FUTURE PANDEMICS ARE IMMINENT, MORE VIRUSES WILL THREATEN US, AND NOW IS THE TIME WHERE WE NEED TO PUT IN THE SYSTEMS THAT WILL PROTECT US BETTER NEXT TIME ROUND.
I WOULD SAY THAT THERE WAS A FALSE NARRATIVE, THAT YOU CORRECTLY POINT OUT IN THIS PIECE, THAT MANY POINTED TO THE REASON THE U.S. BOMBED SO EARLY IN THIS PANDEMIC AND IN LARGE PART IT WAS BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT AND THE ADMINISTRATION, AND THE LACK OF PREPARATION, AND ACTION BY PRESIDENT TRUMP.
BUT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT WASN'T IT ALONE, THAT NO MATTER WHO HAD BEEN PRESIDENT WE WOULD STILL BE FACING A CATASTROPHE.
WHY WAS THAT IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO BREAK DOWN?
BECAUSE I THINK TRUMP MISHANDLED THE PANDEMIC SO EGREGIOUSLY IT'S VERY EASY TO SAY THAT IF WE HADN'T HAD A COMMANDER IN CHIEF WHO WAS TOUTING FALSE MIRACLE CURES OR OUTRIGHTLY DOWNPLAYING THE THREAT ALL TOGETHER WE WOULD HAVE DONE OKAY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE, AGAINST THE DELTA VARIANT SHOWS THAT NOT TO BE THE CASE.
AMERICA IS RIDDLED WITH DEEP ROOTED VULNERABILITIES THAT MAKE IT EXQUISITELY SUSCEPTIBLE TO A NEW PATHOGEN.
IT'S NOT JUST TO DO WITH WHO'S IN CHARGE, IT'S ALSO TO DO WITH ITS INCREDIBLY WEAK PUBLIC SYSTEM WHICH HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO ROT OVER A CENTURY.
IT HAS TO DO WITH ITS EXTREME INEQUALITY SUCH THAT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE CANNOT ACCESS HEALTH CARE AT ALL, AND THAT MANY, MANY MORE HAVE BEEN THE SUBJECT OF LONG STANDING RACIST AND CLASSIST POLICIES THAT HAVE LEFT THEM VULNERABLE SO NOT ONLY COVID, BUT TO A VARIETY OF OTHER HEALTH CONDITIONS.
ALL OF THESE WEAKNESSES IS ONE PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERT TOLD ME ARE IN THE ROOT STOCK.
THEY'RE NOT HIGH UP IN THE AS WE'VE SEEN, EVEN WITH A PRESIDENT WHO IS TAKING THE PANDEMIC SERIOUSLY, THOSE PROBLEMS ARE INCREDIBLY COSTLY.
THE U.S. CANNOT EXPECT TO JUST DO WHAT IT NORMALLY TRIES TO DO, WHICH IS TO USE BIO MEDICAL SOLUTIONS, VACCINES, THERAPEUTICS AND THE LIKE TO PLASTER ITS WAY OUT OF THOSE PROBLEMS.OSE PROBLEMS NEED TO BE SOLVED.
AND THAT'S -- I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE LACK OF A STRONG PUBLIC HEALTH INFRASTRUCTURE THAT GOES BACK DECADES, IN THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE YOU REALLY PINPOINT WHERE YOU THINK SCIENCE AND PUBLIC HEALTH DIVERGED AND SPLIT AND THAT WAS GERM WARFARE.
I WANT TO READ FROM YOUR PIECE IN THE DISCOVERY OF THE GERM WARFARE AND THE GERM THEORY, YOU SAY GERM THEORY ALLOWED PEOPLE TO COLLAPSE EVERYTHING ABOUTES N PATHOGENS AND PATIENTS.
SOCIETY MATTERS SUCH AS INEQUALITY, HOUSING, EDUCATION, RACE, CULTURE, PSYCHOLOGY AND POLITICS BECAME IRRELEVANCIES, INSTEAD OF STARING INTO THE ABYSS OF INTRACTABLE ILLSING PHYSICIANS COULD STARE AT THE BUG UNDER A MICROSCOPE AND DEVISE WAYS OF KILLING IT.
EXPLAIN THE IMPACT OF WHILE ON THE ONE HAND IT IS INCREDIBLE AND WE DO WANT MORE ADVANCEMENTS IN SCIENCE, THAT TOOK AWAY FROM PUBLIC HEALTH INVESTMENT AND FOCUSING ON AVOIDING SOME OF THESE PATHOGENS AND WHERE THEY CAME FROM TO BEGIN WITH.
SO IN THE 19th CENTURY A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE REALIZED THAT THE CONDITIONS OF SOCIETY, THINGS LIKE POVERTY, INEQUALITY, HOUSING, EDUCATION, POLITICS, AFFECT OUR SUSCEPTIBILITY TO DISEASES.
BUT ONCE PEOPLE REALIZE THE DISEASES WERE CAUSED BY MICROBES, THEY FOCUSED ON THAT TARGET TO THE EXCLUSION OF THAT WIDER SOCIETAL CONTEXT, THEY SAW DISEASE SOLELY IN TERMS OF A PATIENT VERSUS A PATHOGEN AND THAT'S STILL HOW WE THINK OF IT TODAY.
THAT FOCUS WAS COUCHED FROM THE VERY START IN THE LANGUAGE AND IDEAS OF IMPERIALISM, OF WAR, OF THIS IDEA THAT WE NOW HAD AN ENEMY THAT WE COULD SUBYOU GAIT.
WE COULD CONQUER NATURE THROUGH THE RIGHT TOOLS, THE RIGHT MEDICINES.
THAT IS, AGAIN, STILL HOW WE THINK OF INFECTIOUS DISEASE TODAY AND IT MEANT THAT OVER MUCH OF THE 20th CENTURY PUBLIC HEALTH, WHICH IS MEANT TO PREVENT DISEASES IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S MEANT TO ADDRESS SOCIAL FACTORS LIKE INEQUALITY, FELL BY THE WAYSIDE.
INSTEAD OUR ATTITUDE TO HEALTH CARE BECAME ENSHRINED IN HOSPITALS AND MEDICINE AND INDIVIDUAL DOCTORS TREATING INDIVIDUAL PATIENTS.
NOW THAT OBVIOUSLY IS PART OF IT, BUT IT CAN'T BE THE WHOLE PART.
AND YET IT LARGELY HAS BEEN.
IN THE 1930s AMERICA WAS SPENDING JUST OVER THREE CENTS FOR EVERY MEDICAL DOLLAR ON PUBLIC HEALTH, ON PREVENTING DISEASE.NOW ALMOST 100 YEARS LAE SPENDING JUST OVER TWO CENTS PER DOLLAR.
PUBLIC HEALTH HAS LONG BEEN DISINVESTED.AS LONG SUFFERED ATE EXPENSE OF CLINICAL MEDICINE WHICH HAS GAINED ALL THE ATTENTION AND ALL THE MONEY AND THE RESULT IS NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF VERY, VERY SICK PEOPLE, AND JUST NOT THE RIGHT ATTITUDES, NOT THE RIGHT PSYCHOLOGY TO TRY AND PREVENT THEM FROM GETTING SICK IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND TO BE FAIR THE WHITE HOUSE HAS NOW INTRODUCED A NEW STRATEGY TO PREPARE FOR PANDEMICS AT A PRICE TAG OF ABOUT $65 BILLION OVER THE NEXT SEVEN TO TEN YEARS.
NOW, $65 BILLION SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND COMPARING IT TO THE HEATED DEBATES OVER $3.5 TRILLION BILL IN WASHINGTON RIGHT NOW YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THIS REALLY IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET AND, IN FACT, EPIDEMIOLOGIST MIKE OSER HOME SAYS THIS SHOULD BE A DOWNPAYMENT. WE NOT LEARNED OURN HERE WITH OVER 600,000 DEATHS?
I DO THINK WE HAVE, THEONOMIS ESTIMATED AT $60 TRILLION.
SO $65 BILLION IS NOTHING, YOU KNOW, IT'S AS MIKE OSTERHOLM SAYS IT'S A ROUNDING ERROR FOR THE FEDERAL BUDGET BUT OUR EXISTENCE DEPENDS ON IT.
I THINK IT'S BEEN DISTRIBUTED IN A DISPROPORTIONATE WAY TO THINGS THAT WE THINK WILL WORK BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE VACCINES, THERAPEUTICS, DIAGNOSE -- THAT 65 BILLION, TWO-THIRDS ARE GOING TO THESE MEASURES.
WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN RIGHT NOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DEPLOY STATE OF THE ART, INCREDIBLE MEDICAL SUCCESSES ONTO A PROFOUNDLY UNEQUAL SOCIETY.
THEY LOSE A LOT OF THEIR PUNCH.
WE CANNOT THINK OF PREPAREDNESS SOLELY IN TERMS OF BIOMEDICAL COUNTERMEASURES LIKE VACCINESDR.
WE ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF SOCIAL MEASURES, IN TERMS OF PAID SICK LEAVE, IN TERMS OF UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, IN TERMS OF FOOD ASSISTANCE, PUBLIC HOUSING, REPARATIONS, ALL OF THESE THINGS, AND WOULD ACTUALLY CREATE A SOCIETY THAT WAS LESS SUSCEPTIBLE TO A PANDEMIC.WE NEED TO DO THAT RIGT REQUIRES A WHOLESALE REVISION OF HOW WE THINK ABOUT PREPAREDNESS.
ED, THERE HAVE BEEN COUNTLESS LOSSES AND TRAGEDIES THROUGHOUT THESE TWO YEARS, BUT ONE THING THAT HAS BEEN A WIN, AND A VICTORY FOR SCIENCE, HAS BEEN THE VACCINES AND HAVE YOU TALKED TO ANY EXPERTS, I'M SURE, MANY OF THEM WOULD HAVE SAID THAT THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER EXPECTED EFFICACY RATES ABOVE 90% AND FOR VACCINES TO BE DISCOVERED SO QUICKLY.
THAT HAVING BEEN SAID ARE YOU SURPRISED AT THE AMOUNT OF VACCINE HESITANCY, NOT ONLY IN THE U.S., BUT AROUND THE WORLD, AND IN RESPONSE, SHOULD MANDATES BE IN PLACE, EVEN IN DEMOCRACIES?
I THINK VACCINE MANDATES ARE A POWERFUL TOOL TO INCREASE VACCINATIONS AT THE MOMENT GIVEN THE PROBLEMS THAT WE FACED.
BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WE HAVE THESE DEEP ROOTED ISSUES THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT MAKE US VULNERABLE TO PANDEMICS ALSO AFFECT THE WAYS IN WHICH VACCINES CAN ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO A PANDEMIC RESPONSE.S, VACCINES ARE INCRED.
THEY WERE PRODUCED FAR MORE QUICKLY THAN ANYONE EXPECTED, MORE EFFECTIVE THAN ANYONE REALLY HOPED FOR AND YET WHEN YOU PUT THOSE VACCINES OUT INTO A COMMUNITY THAT IS VERY INEQUAL, WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL STRUGGLE TO ACCESS THE MEDICAL SYSTEM OR ACCESS RELIABLE MEDICAL INFORMATION THEN WHAT WE SEE IS THAT VACCINATION RATES PLATEAU REALLY EARLY AND WE'RE FORCED TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THINGS LIKE MANDATES.
WE THINK THAT VACCINES WILL SAVE US BECAUSE WE ARE PRIMED TO THINK OF INJECTABLE SUBSTANCES AS THE CURE TO OUR MEDICAL ILLS.
THESE ARE SOCIAL PROBLEMS.
VACCINES ARE USELESS WITHOUT VACCINATION, AND VACCINATION RELIES ON A STRONG PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEM.
IT RELIES ON A STRONG SOCIAL SAFETY NET.
IT RELIES ON TRUST, DOING THE PUBLIC AND THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND GOVERNMENT.'RE LACKING IN ALL OE THINGS, SO UNLESS YOU BOLSTER THEM, THE NEXT PANDEMIC IS GOING TO COME ROUND, WE'RE GOING TO GET A VACCINE, AND EVEN SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT WE'LL STILL BE IN THIS SITUATION.
YEAH, AND AS YOU NOTE, WE MAY NOT JUST GET ONE PANDEMIC WE COULD HAVE TWIN PANDEMICS AT THAT.
ED YOUNG, EVERY TIME YOU WRITE A PIECE, WE READ IT, AND TRY TO HAVE YOU ON AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
FOR THIS -- ANOTHER MUST READ.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
> WELL, WE TURN NOW TO SILICON VALLEY AND ONE OF ITS MOST INFLUENTIAL INVESTORS, PETER TEAL HAD A HAND IN THE SUCCESS OF MANY PROFITABLE TECH COMPANIES FROM TODAY, FACEBOOK TO SPACEX, HE'S ALSO ON A QUEST TO LIVE FOREVER, INVESTING MILLIONS IN LIFE EXTENSION RESEARCH.
IT'S ALL DOWN ON PAPER, AND THE NEW BIOGRAPHY, THE CONTRARIAN, THE PURSUIT OF POWER.
HERE HE IS SPEAKING ABOUT THE MAN BEHIND THE MONEY.
BIANNA, THANKS, MAX, THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US, YOU CALL PETER TEAL THE MOST INFLUENTIAL VENTURE CAPITALIST IN SILICON VALLEY.
WHY?
WELL, PETER TEAL HAS BEEN BEHIND SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT COMPANIES IN SILICON VALLEY SO HE'S THE CO-FOUNDER OF PAYPAL, HE'S THE FOUNDER OF PALENTEER THIS DEFENSE CONTRACTOR DATA MINING FIRM THAT HAS MORE THAN A BILLION DOLLARS IN CONTRACTS FROM THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT AND PROBABLY MOST SIGNIFICANTLY HE IS THE FIRST OUTSIDE INVESTOR AND THE LONGEST SERVING BOARD MEMBER AT FACEBOOK.
HE IS REALLY THE PERSON WHO KIND OF MADE MARK ZUCKERBERG MARK ZUCKERBERG.
WHO BOTH SET FACEBOOK UP WITH THIS STRUCTURE THAT ALLOWS ZUCKERBERG TO CONTROL THE COMPANY, BASICALLY AS A DE FACTO DICTATOR.
HE'S THE FOUNDER AND CEO, AND HE ALSO KIND OF CREATED THIS AS A SORT OF IDEOLOGY WHICH HAS SPREAD THROUGHOUT SILICON VALLEY AND YOU SEE THIS STRUCTURE AND THE FACEBOOK APPROACH TO GROWTH WHICH PETER TEAL HELPED TO CREATE, HAVING KIND OF BEEN DEPLOYED ACROSS THE TECH INDUSTRY AND HAS LED TO A A LOT OF TECH INDUSTRY'S AMAZING SUCCESS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS BUT I THINK SOME OF THE PROBLEMS.
MOST PEOPLE IN AMERICA, IF THEY KNOW OF HIM, THEY MIGHT HAVE CAUGHT A GLIMPSE OF HIM DURING THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION WHEN HE WAS ON STAGE, AND HE WAS ENDORSING DONALD TRUMP.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU POINT OUT THAT THAT WOULD BE KIND OF AN OVERSIMPLIFICATION OF HIS POLITICS, WHAT IS THAT GOT HIM TO THAT POINT?
YEAH, SO THIS IS WHAT MAKES TEAL SO INTERESTING.
IT'S WHY I WAS INTERESTED IN WRITING ABOUT HIM FOR THIS BOOK BECAUSE HE'S NOT JUST THIS TECH GUY, THIS GUY WHO'S KIND OF HELPED CREATE SILICON VALLEY AS IT EXISTS TODAY BUT HE'S HAD THIS REALLY INTERESTING AND REALLY LONG, DECADES LONG CAREER IN CONSERVATIVE POLITICS.
HE GOT ATTENTION, YOU KNOW, WAY BACK AS THE 1980s STARTING THIS NEWSPAPER CALLED THE STANFORD REVIEW WHICH IS A PROVOCATIVE RIGHT WING NEWSPAPER, SIMILAR TO SORT OF THE DARTMOUTH REVIEW, CORNELL REVIEW, WHICH ANN COULTER WAS INVOLVED WITH.
HE WROTE A BOOK ABOUT THE DANGERS OF MULTICULTURALISM IN THE MID-90s.
HE ALWAYS FLIRTED WITH THIS VERY PROVOCATIVE IDEA THAT THE LIBERAL ESTABLISHMENT HAS GONE TOO FAR AND THESE -- AND CONSERVATIVES NEED TO PUSH BACK.
AND I THINK HE REALLY SAW AN OPPORTUNITY WITH DONALD TRUMP WHO MADE THAT, YOU KNOW, A CORE PART OF HIS CANDIDACY.
AND OF COURSE TEAL, WHO IS SORT OF A BRILLIANT INVESTOR, ALWAYS ONE TO SPOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY LOW, GOT IN ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, THE TRUMP TRAIN AS IT WERE REALLY EARLY.
YOU KNOW, MAKING THIS -- MAKING HIS SUPPORT KNOWN BEFORE MOST IN THE BUSINESS WORLD HAD GOTTEN BEHIND TRUMP AND THEN MAKING A DONATION, YOU KNOW, AT A REALLY CRUCIAL TIME DURING THE 2016 ELECTION, SHORTLY AFTER THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD TAPE LEAKED AND MANY REPUBLICANS, ESPECIALLY IN THE DONOR CLASS, WERE WRITING OFF TRUMP'S CANDIDACY.
YOU MENTIONED THAT EARLY ON IN HIS LIFE SOME OF HIS -- ONE OF HIS COLLEAGUES OR CO-WORKERS HAD SAID THAT HE WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, THE ENTIRE POLITICAL SYSTEM IS ALL CORRUPT.
AND HERE HE IS PLAYING THIS LIKE A CHESS GAME WHICH YOU SAY HE'S VERY GOOD AT.EAH, YEAH, ABSOLUT.
AND, I MEAN, THERE IS THIS STRAIN OF KIND OF ULTRALIBERTARIAN.A REAL BRING DE SYSTEM KIND OF ETHOS THAT YOU SEE IN TEAL, AND ALSO IN MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME INTO POSITIONS OF POWER IN THE TECH INDUSTRY AND THAT'S KIND OF, AGAIN, THAT'S I THINK WHY HE'S SO INTERESTING.
IT'S NOT -- HE'S NOT JUST THIS SINGULAR FIGURE, HE'S SOMEBODY WHOSE IDEAS HAVE PROLIFERATED.
IN THE EARLY -- SORRY, THE LATE '90s, YOU KNOW, WHEN TEAL STARTED PAYPAL, WE THINK OF PAYPAL AS BEING THIS, YOU KNOW, MONEY TRANSFER THING, IT'S A WAY TO BUY STUFF ON EBAY AND IT IS THAT BUT BACK THEN TEAL WAS TALKING ABOUT IT AS THE CULMINATION OF THIS LIBERTARIAN PROJECT, HE TALKED ABOUT THIS WOULD BE A WAY TO LET ANYONE HAVE A SWISS BANK ACCOUNT IN THEIR POCKET.
THAT IT WOULD HURT THE VIABILITY OF NATION STATES, YOU KNOW THESE ARE SUPER RADICAL STATEMENTS, AND YOU'VE SEEN THEM CROPPING UP ACTUALLY IN THE WORLD OF CRYPTO TODAY AND THEY'VE GONE MAINSTREAM TO SOME EXTENT BUT THEY'RE ALSO IN CONFLICT WITH SOME ASPECTS OF DONALD TRUMP AND TRUMPISM.
IT'S ALL ABOUT AMERICA FIRST, SO, YOU KNOW, TEAL IS KIND OF A SWIRL OF CONTRADICTIONS AT TIMES BUT HAS REALLY BEEN, YOU KNOW, HAD THESE REALLY RADICAL PHILOSOPHIES.
TELL US MORE ABOUT THOSE CONTRADICTIONS. ONE HAND THE LIN WANTS SMALL GOVERNMENT, AND ON THE OTHER HAND HIS COMPANY IS SUPPORTING THE CIA AND HOMELAND SECURITY AND MANY OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK TEAL IS LIKE A LIBERTARIAN IN ANY KIND OF NORMAL SENSE, HE DEFINITELY SUPPORTS SOME LIBERTARIAN GOALS SUCH AS THE IDEA THAT BILLIONAIRES SHOULD BE ALLOWED T BUSINESSES SHOULD BE ALLOWED INCREASING FREEDOM, BORDERING ON THE FREEDOM TO KIND OF RUN THE WORLD.
BUT TEAL HAS ALSO BEEN REALLY FAR RIGHT ON IMMIGRATION, KIND OF REALLY IN LINE WITH DONALD TRUMP AND TRUMPISM ON AND I THINK WHEN YOU KIND OF ADD ALL THIS STUFF UP, ONE POSSIBLE EXPLANATION IS HE'S JUST ADOPTED A LOT OF EXTREME POSITIONS THAT HAVE ALLOWED HIM TO ENRICH HIMSELF.
THE LIBERTARIAN POSITION, OF COURSE, IS A GREAT WAY TO PAY LESS IN TAXES.
HIS AFFINITY WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN A REALLY GREAT -- ARGUABLY A REALLY GREAT ASSET TO PALENTEER HIS DEFENSE CONTRACTOR THAT HAS WON, AS I SAID, MORE THAN A BILLION DOLLARS IN CONTRACTS SINCE 2016.
YOU KNOW, AS YOU READ THE BOOK, IT'S LIKE HE'S ALMOST LIKE A FOREST GUMP LIKE CHARACTER.
HE SHOWS UP IN ALL THESE MOMENTS IN THE LIVES OF THESE TECH COMPANIES AND THESE ENTREPRENEURS, WHICH TURN OUT TO BE PIVOTAL, AND THEY TURN OUT TO BE HUGE.
I MEAN, MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS A COMPANY CALLED X.COM THAT ELON MUSK WAS RUNNING WHICH WAS LITERALLY IN THE SAME BUILDING DOWN THE HALLWAY FROM PETER TEAL'S COMPANY.
HE AND ELON MUSK AT ONE POINT BOTH WERE CEOs OF PAYPAL.
SO THEY DON'T SEEM LIKE THEY WOULD GET ALONG.
NO, AND THEY DON'T GET ALONG BECAUSE THERE WAS A BIG BLOW-UP.
I MEAN, THIS IS -- THERE'S SO MANY CRAZY STORIES AND I LOVE THE FORREST GUMP ANALOGY.
IT IS THAT WAY.
FOLLOWING TEAL IS SORT OF THIS ALTERNATIVE PATH THROUGH THE HISTORY OF SILICON VALLEY.
YOU KNOW, MUSK AND TEAL HAVE THIS RELATIONSHIP, SOMETIMES IT'S A FRIENDSHIP, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S MORE OF A RIVALRY.
AND IN 1999 AND 2000 THEY WERE BOTH RUNNING THESE COMPETING PAYMENTS COMPANIES, THE TWO COMPANIES MERGED, MUSK TOOK OVER, AND WAS RUNNING THE AND HE WAS, YOU KNOW, THE BETTER KNOWN OF THE TWO MEN.
HE HAD MORE INVESTMENT DOLLARS, MORE FAMOUS INVESTORS.
HE WAS IN MANY WAYS A SENIOR PARTNER, AND PETER TEAL, BEING KIND OF A MASTER CHESS PLAYER, HE WAS, HE WAS A CHESS CHAMPION AS A BOY, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERS THIS COUP WHERE MUSK FLIES TO AUSTRALIA FOR HIS HONEYMOON AND I THINK HE MAYBE HAD A FEW INVESTOR MEETINGS PLANNED ALONG THE WAY AND WHEN HE COMES BACK HE FINDS THAT THESE ALLIES OF PETER TEAL'S HAVE GONE TO MIKE MORITZ AND PRESENTED HIM WITH AN ULTIMATUM, REPLACE ELON MUSK WITH PETER TEAL OR WE WALK.
THE AMAZING THING ABOUT THAT STORY IS NOT THAT PETER TEAL DID A COUP ON ELON MUSK, BUT THAT AFTER THAT HAPPENED THEY MANAGED TO KIND OF PATCH IT UP.
IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ELON MUSK HE DOES NOT TAKE SLIGHTS LIGHTLY BUT IT'S REALLY A COMMENT ON BOTH TEAL'S -- REALLY ON TEAL'S POWER THAT MUSK SAW THAT, YOU KNOW, HE WAS -- HE'D BE BETTER OFF WITH PETER TEAL AS A FRIEND THAN AS AN ENEMY.
AND YEARS LATER WHEN MUSK'S ROCKET COMPANY WAS STRUGGLING IN 2008, HAD HAD A COUPLE OF UNSUCCESSFUL LAUNCHES, PROSPECTS LOOKED REALLY DIM, PETER TEAL COMES ALONG AND MAKES AN INVESTMENT IN SPACEX THAT HELPS SAVE ELON MUSK'S ROCKET COMPANY AND REALLY HELPS SAVE HIS EMPIRE, BECAUSE HE WAS IN A VERY DIFFICULT PLACE AND SO OF COURSE -- THAT'S JUST LIKE ANOTHER ONE OF THESE WEIRD INFLUENCE THAT IS TEAL HAS MANAGED TO HAVE NOT ONLY OVER HIS FRIENDS BUT OVER THESE PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, HE'S HAD ONE OVER ON.O, TELL ME A LITTLET ABOUT HOW IT IS THAT HE BECOMES THE FIRST BIG BACKER OF MARK ZUCKERBERG.
YES, SO TEAL IS THE LEADER -- IF YOU SPEND TIME IN SILICON VALLEY YOU'LL HEAR THIS PHRASE PAYPAL MAFIA, THE GROUP OF FORMER PAYPAL EXECUTIVES, BASICALLY LED BY PETER TEAL, AND AFTER THE -- AFTER EBAY PURCHASED PAYPAL THEY WENT OFF INTO SILICON VALLEY AND STARTED WORKING TOGETHER MAKING INVESTMENTS, BASICALLY IN EACH OTHER'S COMPANIES AND COMPANIES OF FRIENDS AND YOU'LL SEE EMPLOYEES BOUNCING FROM ONE COMPANY TO THE NEXT.
THE NETWORK IS NOT -- YOU KNOW, IT'S CALLED A MAFIA, BUT IT'S NOT A VIOLENT NETWORK.
BUT IT IS A NETWORK WHERE LOYALTY AND BOTH IN TERMS OF BUSINESS LOYALTY, BUT AT TIMES KIND OF IDEOLOGICAL LOYALTY.
A LOT OF THESE GUYS HAVE KIND OF THE SAME POLITICS, REALLY IS VALUED AND THAT LOYALTY INCLUDES NOT TALKING TO THE PRESS, WHICH WAS MADE IN MY LIFE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT.
ZUCKERBERG COMES TO TEAL THROUGH THAT NETWORK THROUGH REED HOFFMAN, A SENIOR EXECUTIVE AT PAYPAL WHO FOUNDED LINKEDIN AND HE HAD THIS MEETING WITH ZUCKERBERG AND, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME, ZUCKERBERG REALLY DIDN'T LOOK LIKE MUCH.
HE'D BEEN RUN INTO TROUBLE AT HARVARD.
KIND OF A BAD BOY WHO HAD DONE SOMETHING VAGUELY, NOT CRIMINAL, BUT CERTAINLY NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES.
AND TEAL IS SOMEBODY WHO KIND OF LOVES THESE PEOPLE, LOVES THESE PROVOCATEURS WHO GET IN TROUBLE AT ELITE INSTITUTIONS LIKE HARVARD, AND SEES VERY QUICKLY NOT ONLY THAT ZUCKERBERG WAS ONTO SOMETHING, BUT THAT FACEBOOK HAD A LOT OF POTENTIAL.
AND HE HELPS ZUCKERBERG DEVELOP A STRATEGY WHICH IS THIS KIND OF -- IT'S LIKE THE ROMAN EMPIRE.
ZUCKERBERG TRIED TO GROW AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, TO DOMINATE THIS NETWORK THAT IS FACEBOOK.
AND ULTIMATELY, OF COURSE, SUCCEEDED, YOU KNOW, 3 BILLION USERS, IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT FACEBOOK IS THE MOST POWERFUL, YOU KNOW, MEDIA COMPANY IN HUMAN HISTORY.
WELL, IT'S INTRIGUING TO ME, WHAT WERE THE EFFECTS THAT PETER TEAL HAD BEYOND JUST THE INVESTMENT OF CASH INTO MARK IN A WAY YOU SEE SIMILARITIES IN THEM HOW THEY THINK OF THE WORLD WHERE THEY THINK OF THEIR PRODUCT, WHAT THEY THINK IS THE ACCEPTABLE AND NOT ACCEPTABLE REACH OF GOVERNMENT.EAH, ABSOLUS WHY TEAL MATTERS BECAUSE HE'S NOT -- IT'S NOT JUST A MONEY MAN.
IF IT WAS JUST A QUESTION OF MONEY, YOU KNOW, HE ISN'T THAT RICH.
HE HAS MAYBE $10 BILLION, MAYBE I'M SAYING RICH COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, THE JEFF BEZOS OR SOMETHING, OR ZUCKERBERG.
BUT HE DID CREATE THIS BUSINESS PHILOSOPHY, AND THE PHILOSOPHY IS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE PHILOSOPHY OF DISRUPTION.
IT'S THE IDEA THAT COMPANIES SHOULD GROW AS BIG AS POSSIBLE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, TEAL TALKS ABOUT MONOPOLY NOT AS SOMETHING TO BE AVOIDED, KIND OF HOW MOST CAPITALISTS THINK ABOUT IT, BUT AS THE END POINT OF BUSINESS, THE THING THAT ALL ENTREPRENEURS SHOULD STRIVE FOR.
WHICH IS A REALLY, YOU KNOW, RADICAL KIND OF FAR OUT THERE SUGGESTION.
AND HE ALSO TALKS, YOU KNOW, AT OF BENDING THE RULES. IMPORTANCE OF BREAKING NORMS.
AND IT'S NOT JUST THAT THE NORMS -- IT'S NOT JUST THAT BREAKING THE RULES IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS INCIDENTALLY WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU ACCIDENTALLY RUN AFOUL OF THE LAW, IT'S ALMOST THAT DOING SO IS A GOOD THING AND THAT IT CREATES SOME VIRTUE.
AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DEFINITELY SEEN KIND OF PLAY OUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, NOT JUST WITH FACEBOOK, BUT WITH MANY OF THESE BIG COMPANIES.
THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF MOVEMENT RIGHT NOW TO TRY AND REGULATE BIG TECH.
AND INTERESTINGLY PETER TEAL IS PUTTING MONEY BEHIND SOME OF THE VERY CANDIDATES THAT COULD THREATEN, FOR EXAMPLE, WELL, HIM SITTING ON THE BOARD OF FACEBOOK.
RIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE A BIG TECH COMPANY THAT WOULD BE SQUARELY IN THE RADARS OF CONGRESS IF THIS KIND OF THING PASSED.
HE'S BACKING THESE TWO SENATE CANDIDATES, ONE IN ARIZONA, AND ONE IN OHIO, AND THEY ARE BOTH TURNING, YOU KNOW, MARK ZUCKERBERG INTO A POLITICAL PUNCHING BAG.
I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION TO ASK, YOU KNOW, WHY IS HE STILL ON THE BOARD OF FACEBOOK?
AND I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT POSSIBLE EXPLANATIONS BUT ONE THING HE'S BEEN ABLE TO DO ON THE BOARD OF FACEBOOK IS KIND OF NUDGE MARK ZUCKERBERG IN THIS POLITICAL DIRECTION, IN THE DIRECTION OF AS CONSERVATIVES SEE IT, NOT DISCRIMINATING, QUOTE/UNQUOTE, AGAINST CONSERVATIVE WORLD VIEWS AND BEING ON THE FACEBOOK BOARD IS AN IMPORTANT POSITION OF INFLUENCE AND POWER.
DURING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATIONS THIS BROKER BETWEEN MARK ZUCKERBERG AND DONALD TRUMP, ARGUABLY LIKE THE TWO MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, OR TWO OF THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.L'S PERSONAL WEALTS ALSO COME INTO THE SPOTLIGHT RECENTLY, A LOT OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT AN IRA IS, OR A ROTH IRA, WE SOCK AWAY A LITTLE BIT EVERY MONTH IF WE CAN, AND HIS ACCOUNT HAS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN IT, AND ALL OF THE PROFITS THAT IT'S MAKING WILL BE TAX FREE.
HOW DID WE GET TO THAT?
YEAH, SO THAT'S -- THAT IS A QUIRK OF THE ROTH IRA, WHICH IS THIS KIND OF REALLY NOT A -- PRETTY MUCH LITTLE NOTICED INVESTMENT KIND OF AN INVESTMENT ACCOUNT CREATED IN THE '90s, YOU USED POST PAX DOLLARS AND ANY GAINS ARE TAX FREE.
THE ROTH WAS FOR MIDDLE CLASS AND LOWER MIDDLE CLASS TAXPAYERS.
IT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE IRS'S ABILITY TO COLLECT TAX RECEIPTS.
BUT TEAL VERY SAVVY OPERATOR, AN INCREDIBLE -- JUST LIKE A BRILLIANT CHESS PLAYER SORT OF FIGURED OUT THAT THERE'S THIS QUIRK WHICH IS THAT STARTUP FOUNDERS CAN GET SHARES AT A VERY LOW PRICE, LOW ENOUGH SO THAT HE WAS ABLE TO ACQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT CHUNK OF PAYPAL IN THIS OF HIS ROTH IRA WHILE STILL NOT VIOLATING THE RULES AROUND CONTRIBUTION LIMITS.
THE CONTRIBUTION LIMITS AT THE TIME WERE $2,000 A YEAR.
AND THAT MONEY, YOU KNOW, GREW.
ENORMOUSLY.HE EVENTUALLY USED SF THOSE GAINS TO BUY SHARES IN PALENTEER AND TO BUY SHARES IN FACEBOOK, AND PROBABLY TO BUY SHARES IN OTHER COMPANIES.
AND SO HE NOW HAS THIS ENORMOUS NEST EGG, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST $5 BILLION AS OF 2019, IT'S PROBABLY QUITE A BIT BIGGER NOW.
AND ACCORDING TO THE TAX RULES AS THEY'RE WRITTEN, AND IF THE INTERPRETATIONS OF THE WAY THAT TEAL DID THIS DON'T CHANGE HE'S NEVER GOING TO PAY TAXES ON THAT AND THAT, I THINK, IS -- IT'S DEPENDING ON YOUR POINT OF VIEW, IT'S AN OUTRAGE, IT'S A CASE OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF OLIGARCHIC BEHAVIOR BUT THE TEAL FANS WHO THINK THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN AND THAT BILLIONAIRES SHOULD BE ALLOWED MORE LEEWAY.
IT'S SOMETHING TO BE APPLAUDED, LIKE HE GOT ONE OVER ON THE TAX MAN AND WE'VE SEEN THIS STRUCTURE HAS BEEN COPIED BY LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE.
PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT REFORMING IT AND THERE ARE BILLS IN CONGRESS THAT COULD AFFECT TEAL'S TAX LIABILITY, AND THERE ARE ALSO SHIFTS, AGAIN, IN HOW THEY INTERPRET THESE RULES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT TEAL.
BUT IT'S NOT JUST TEAL WHO WOULD BE AFFECTED.
IT WOULD BE LIKE A WHOLE BUNCH OF VERY, VERY ANGRY SILICON VALLEY BILLIONAIRES.
IT WOULD BE A FORMIDABLE FIGHT IF IT HAPPENS.
IT'S EVIDENT FROM READING THE BOOK THAT YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME READING HIS ARTICLES, ARTICLES FROM THE STANFORD REVIEW, LECTURES HE'S GIVEN AND SO FORTH AND HE'S A PRETTY FAMOUSLY PRIVATE PERSON.
AND I WONDER WHAT SORT OF COOPERATION OR LACK THEREOF THERE WAS IN SITTING DOWN WITH HIM FOR THE BOOK.
YEAH, SO I APPROACHED THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, JOURNALISTICALLY.
I TRIED TO TALK TO ANYONE WHO WORKED AT HIS COMPANIES, WHO KNEW HIM WELL, HIS FRIENDS, HIS FORMER CLASSMATES, AND OF COURSE PETER TEAL HIMSELF.
AND I APPROACHED HIS P.R. PEOPLE EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS.
AND WE HAD A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND THERE WAS ULTIMATELY AN OFF THE RECORD MEETING WITH PETER TEAL, BUT HE DID NOT COMMENT ON THE RECORD.
AND THAT'S KIND OF IN KEEPING WITH HIS GENERAL POSITION TOWARDS THE PRESS, WHICH IS HE'S KEPT THE PRESS KIND OF AT ARM'S LENGTH.
HE HAS TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY MANIPULATE THE PRESS IN VARIOUS WAYS, IN TERMS OF POSITIVE MANIPULATION, CREATING THIS IMAGE OF A -- YOU KNOW, THIS I AM SUPERMAN, AND ALSO OF COURSE THE SORT OF MORE -- WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK OF AS NEGATIVE MANIPULATION IN HIS LONG RUNNING BATTLE AGAINST GAWKER.
THE BOOK IS CALLED THE CONTRARIAN. THANKS FOR JOINING .
THANK YOU.
> AND FINALLY TODAY, THE SAME CULTURE WAR THAT HELPED LAUNCH PETER TEAL AT THE PART OF A BREAKOUT HIT SERIES ON NETFLIX.
SEX EDUCATION, A COMEDY SET IN A BRITISH HIGH SCHOOL FINDS LAUGHS AND DRAMA IN ALL MANNER OF HUMAN INTIMACY. TAKES A DEEP AND NUANK AT SHAME AND EMPOWERMENT.
HERE'S A CLIP FROM THIS SEASON'S TRAILER.
I WILL GET IT BACK ON TRACK.
WHAT IS THAT?
IT'S MY SHAME SITE.
SEX WILL RUIN YOUR LIFE.
IT'S BACKWARDS.
I'M NOT GETTING INVOLVED ANYMORE.IT'S EASIER WHEN YOU DO.
I THINK YOU HAD YOUR HEARTBROKEN.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?
DO YOU NEED A LIFT?
THAT'S CONVENIENT.
THE QUICKER YOU REALIZE YOU'RE NOT THAT SPECIAL -- THE BETTER.
AND JOINING ME IS THE CREATOR OF 'SEX EDUCATION,' FOR A DISCUSSION THAT WILL LIKELY COVER TOPICS OF A SEXUAL NATURE.
FULL CLOSURE ON MY END I'M TWO EPISODES INTO SEASON ONE.
I HAVE A LOT OF CATCHING UP TO DO BUT I'M ALREADY HOOKED.
I HAVE DONE PLENTY OF BLUSHING AND MY PRODUCERS WERE RIGHT TO WARN ME TO KEEP MY SMALL CHILDREN AGES 5 AND 9 OUT OF THE ROOM WHILE I'M WATCHING.
IT'S A FASCINATING SHOW IN THAT AT THE SAME TIME WHILE I LAUGH, I RECALL ISSUES THAT MY FRIENDS AND I FACED WHILE IN HIGH SCHOOL AND THAT IS SHAME, THAT IS DISCOVERING OURSELVES, SEXUALITY, ALL OF THESE NUANCED ALL SORT OF BAGGED INTO ONE.
WHAT MADE YOU FOCUS ON THAT?
AND PARTICULARLY THE AREA OF SHAME AND SELF-RECOGNITION.
I THINK FOR ME WHAT INITIALLY REALLY DREW ME TO THE HOOK OF THE SHOW WAS THAT IT'S A REALLY GREAT COMEDIC SET-UP.
THE MORE I DEVELOPED THE SERIES I REALIZED IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CONSENT AND BODY POSITIVITY, AND FEMALE DESIRE.
AND ALSO TO TRY AND REALLY RIGHT SOME OF THE WRONGS THAT I FELT HAD BEEN DONE TO ME THROUGH THE BAD SEX EDUCATION THAT I'D RECEIVED IN MY OWN SCHOOLING.
AND THE SHOW IN THIS THIRD SEASON NOW INTRODUCES A NEW CHARACTER, PLAYED BY JEMIMA KIRK, THE NEW HEAD MISTRESS OF THE SCHOOL, AND HER MISSION IS TO REALLY IMPOSE CONFORMITY, IN STRUCTURE, RIGIDITY INTO THE SCHOOL.
AND IT'S NOT RECEIVED WELL, AND THAT'S NOT SURPRISING, FROM THE STUDENTS.
WHAT IS HER CHARACTER EXPECTED TO ADD THIS SEASON TO THE SHOW?
WITH THE CHARACTER OF HOPE I REALLY WANTED TO EXPLORE A PARTICULAR TYPE OF VERY TOXIC IT'S REALLY A WHITE FEMINISM.
I THINK SHE'S A VERY COMPLICATED CHARACTER BECAUSE SHE, IN A LOT OF WAYS, SHE THINKS OF HERSELF AS BEING QUITE PROGRESSIVE.
SHE'S QUITE A YOUNG WOMAN.
SHE'S IN A POSITION OF POWER.TOO GET THERE BUT SHE'S ALSO GOT THESE HUGE BLIND SPOTS AND SHE'S NOT ABLE TO SEE THAT HER VIEWPOINTS ARE DEEPLY CONSERVATIVE AND SHE'S ACTING AS AN OPPRESSOR SO MANY OF THE STUDENTS FROM MINORITY BACKGROUNDS WITHIN THE CAMPUS AND IT'S GRATIFYING TO SEE THE STUDENTS RISE UP AGAINST HER, HER VIEWPOINTS LIKE LATER ON IN THE SERIES. AS YOU DO WITH ALL E CHARACTERS YOU HUMANIZE HER TOO, SHE'S NOT ONE DIMENSIONAL, HER OWN STRUGGLES AND HER OWN ISSUES OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL, THAT LOOK, JUST TWO EPISODES IN, I HAVE TO SAY, ONE CHARACTER WHO REALLY STANDS OUT TO ME IS ERIC.
AND HE IS A LOVELY, FUNNY CHARACTER WHO SEEMS TO BE REALLY IN CONTROL OF HIS OWN SEXUALITY, BUT IT'S ALREADY CLEAR THAT THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE WHEN IT COMES TO HOW HIS FAMILY VIEWS HIM.
AND ONE EPISODE HERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PLAY A CLIP OF IS HIS FLIGHT AND RETURN BACK TO HIS NATIVE COUNTRY OF NIGERIA FOR A WEDDING.D HOW HE DEALS WITH THES OF SEEING FAMILY BACK HOME WHO MAY NOT ACCEPT HIM AS WHO HE IS.
LET'S PLAY A CLIP.
I DON'T WANT TO PRETEND, MOM.
NOT HERE OR ANYWHERE.
I LOVE THAT YOU'RE NOT AFRAID TO BE YOURSELF, ERIC.
MAYBE ONE DAY I GET THERE TOO.
BUT IT TAKES TIME.
I'M SORRY FOR SCARING YOU, MOM.
I MAKE YOU SOMETHING TO EAT.
A REALLY GENUINE AND RAW MOMENT THERE AND A WINDOW INTO NOT ONLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH ERIC PERSONALLY, BUT HIS FAMILY AND HIS PARENTS AS WELL, WHERE AS HIS MOM SAYS IT TAKES TIME FOR HER TO DEAL WITH THIS.
IT'S A TEACHABLE MOMENT FROM A CHILD TO A PARENT, AND IT SEEMS THAT THAT IS WHY YOU ARE TRYING TO EXPOSE THE AUDIENCE HERE, NOT JUST TO TEENAGERS, BUT TO ADULTS AS WELL.
YEAH, THE ADULT CHARACTERS ARE EQUALLY IMPORTANT, REALLY, IN THE SHOW.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IN SOME WAYS WE'RE A TEEN SHOW BUT I ALSO SEE IT AS WE'RE A SHOW ABOUT BEING A TEENAGER.
AND I THINK THAT BEING A TEENAGER IS SUCH A UNIVERSAL EXPERIENCE, AND I'M IN MY 30s NOW BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE I'M 16 INSIDE.
I DON'T THINK I'VE CHANGED THAT MUCH AND I THINK THAT'S VERY MUCH REALLY AT THE CORE OF THE SHOW, THE ADULTS ARE LEARNING AND MESSING UP JUST AS MUCH AS THE TEENAGERS ARE.
DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU ARE, AS YOU GO, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A TEAM OF PRODUCERS AND WRITERS THERE WITH YOU, AND YOU ARE STILL A VERY YOUNG WOMAN BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THERE ARE SCENES AND EPISODES WHERE YOU'RE LEARNING ABOUT LIFE IN THIS YOUNGER GENERATION AS WELL.
AND HOW IT DIFFERS FROM YOURS.
YEAH, I MEAN WRITING THE SHOW HAS BEEN A COMPLETE LIKE LEARNING CURVE FOR ME.
AND I FEEL LIKE I'M JUST LEARNING NEW TOOLS AND NEW LANGUAGE TO TALK ABOUT MY SEXUALITY AND MY IDENTITY.
EVERY DAY.
AND THINGS THAT I WASN'T GIVEN AS A YOUNGER PERSON, PARTICULARLY THROUGH THE SEX EDUCATION THAT I HAD AT SCHOOL, AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I FEEL A BIT GRIEF STRICKEN ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I KIND OF WISH THAT I FELT AS EMPOWERED THEN AS I DO NOW BUT IT'S REALLY POSITIVE TO KEEP LEARNING ABOUT THE SUBJECT MATTER.
ONE OF THE HARDER ISSUES THAT YOU TACKLE HERE, SEXUAL ASSAULT, AS EXPERIENCED BY ONE OF THE CHARACTERS AMY, WHO IN THE FIRST SEASON SEEMS TO HAVE A ROSY PERCEPTION OF LIFE AND IS SORT OF A CHARMING YOUNG FIGURE UNTIL SHE IS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED AND YOU, TOO, ARE THE VICTIM OF YOU HAVE BEEN PUBLIC ABOUT THAT.
WHAT WAS THAT LIKE FOR YOU TO WRITE ABOUT AND THEN SEE ON CAMERA THROUGH THE CHARACTERS?
YEAH, I KNEW THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I REALLY WANTED TO WRITE ABOUT.
FOR MYSELF.
AND AMY, AS A CHARACTER, REALLY WAS -- IT'S SORT OF AWFUL TO SAY IT, BUT SHE WAS THE BEST CHARACTER TO EXPLORE THAT STORY LINE WITH BECAUSE SHE'S VERY INNOCENT AND SHE SEES THE WORLD, YOU KNOW, YEAH, REALLY WITH ROSE TINTED GLASSES.
YOU GET TO SEE WHAT SHE'S LIKE BEFORE THAT EXPERIENCE, AND THEN WHAT SHE'S LIKE AFTER THAT EXPERIENCE.AND IT'S BEEN VERY M, PARTICULARLY THE MESSAGES THAT I GET FROM, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF YOUNG WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR EXPERIENCES, AND FELT A SENSE OF CATHARSIS AND SOLIDARITY SEEING AMY AND HER FEMALE COUNTERPARTS, LIKE GETTING ON THE SCHOOL BUS AT THE END, AND SUPPORTING EACH OTHER.
AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST SHOW, UNFORTUNATELY, TO HAVE TO TACKLE AN ISSUE LIKE SEXUAL ASSAULT.IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR CENTURIES, SINCE THE START OF MANKIND, FOR THAT MATTER.
BUT WHAT THIS SHOW DOES THAT PREVIOUS SHOWS HAVE NOT IS TACKLE THE ISSUE OF LGBTQI AND YOU HAVE TWO NONBINARY CHARACTERS ON THIS SHOW WHO HAVE A LASTING ROLE TO PLAY.
I WANT TO PLAY A CLIP AND WE'LL DISCUSS IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
WANTS TO KNOW WHAT LINE THEY SHOULD JOIN.
BOYS IN THAT CLASSROOM, AND GIRLS.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH LINE EITHER.
WE'RE HERE, I WILL ASK --
WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE PROBLEM OTHER THAN YOUR UNIFORM, AGAIN.
WE DON'T FIT INTO THE DESCRIPTION OF BOY OR GIRL, SO WHERE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GO?
YOU THINK BOTH GO IN THE
BUT I'M NOT A GIRL.
ARE WE DISCUSSING FEMALE -- VAGINA LINE OR PENIS LINE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE TROUBLE, GO WITH THE GIRLS.
THANK YOU, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.
WHY WAS IT IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO INTRODUCE THESE CHARACTERS AND THEIR STRUGGLES, AND INTRODUCING THEM TO AUDIENCES IN THIS WAY?
I'D KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME THAT I REALLY WANTED TO HAVE SOME TRANSAND NONBINARY REPRESENTATION IN THE SHOW, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE CHARACTERS FELT LIKE THEY HAD THE TIME AND SPACE TO BE PROPERLY FLESHED OUT AND WE WORKED WITH SOME BRILLIANT NONBINARY CONSULTANTS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE WRITING PROCESS.
IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME THAT -- BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY LIVED EXPERIENCE, THAT WE REALLY WERE ABLE TO TELL THE MOST NUANCED AND AUTHENTIC VERSION OF THAT STORY.
WE ALSO WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE PERSON WHO PLAYS CAL WHO HAS SOME SIMILARITIES IN A LIVED EXPERIENCE TO THAT CHARACTER, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ALSO A BRILLIANT ACTOR AND VERY DIFFERENT TO CAL, BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE FEEL INVOLVED IN THEIR OWN STORY AND YEAH, IT WAS JUST VERY IMPORTANT TO GET THAT ACROSS.
YEAH, ONE OF THE REVIEWS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME AS TO WHY YOUR SHOW IS A SUCCESS IS BECAUSE YOU MAKE EVERY ISSUE WHICH FEELS FOR TEENS AT THE TIME SO TITANICALLY IMPORTANT FOR THEM.
THAT COMES THROUGH IN THE FIRST FEW EPISODES I'VE SEEN.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WATCHING THE REST.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US, WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
THANKS VERY MUCH.
> NETFLIX HAS RENEWED SEX EDUCATION FOR A FOURTH SEASON.
WE CAN ALL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
> WELL, THAT IS IT FOR OUR PROGRAM TONIGHT AND REMEMBER YOU CAN FOLLOW ME AND THE SHOW ON TWITTER.THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR W, ON PBS, JOIN US AGAIN TOMORROW NIGHT.
'AMANPOUR & COMPANY.'
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