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Lily Gladstone: Far Out There

Premiere: 3/14/2023 | 00:13:51 |

Filmmaker Brooke Pepion Swaney profiles independent film actress Lily Gladstone as she prepares for the release of "Killers of the Flower Moon." Drawing from her childhood on the Blackfeet Reservation in Montana and her peripatetic life as a professional actor, Gladstone learns to stand on her own two feet in order to make her voice heard.

About the Episode

Brooke Swaney’s director statement

Lily Gladstone giving an interview, photo by Caelan Fisher.

When actress Lily Gladstone and I decided to make a short documentary about her as a master in the making, we started getting philosophical, which can happen when you throw two nerdy Blackfeet people together. In the 1940s, American Psychologist Abraham Maslow came out with a philosophy about the factors that come into play when trying to reach one’s goals – a hierarchy of needs. The idea basically states that in order to reach self-actualization, or the complete realization of potential, many things have to be met first – physiological things like food and shelter, safety and then intangible things like love and belonging, and self-esteem.

Maslow lifted a lot of his ideas from Niitsitapi teachings when studying with elders on the Blackfeet Nation in 1938. But his view presupposes a Western way of thinking, centering the ‘me’ rather than the we. For Lily, “the basis of the Blackfoot hierarchy of need essentially is you need to have self-actualization as the foundation…And how does your purpose, how does your individual gift that is supported, identified, nurtured and encouraged by your community so early in an ideal balanced society…benefit the whole in the continuation of your people.”

Lily Gladstone practicing the Alexander Technique, photo by Ivy MacDonald.

For Lily, elders identified her gift as an actor and storyteller as a child. Her family encouraged her. Her community supports her. This is something we wanted to share in the film. Same with her motivation to inspire and support the youth, which is why we returned to “the rez” to share an acting workshop with Browning High School students.

I also wanted to dig into her process as an actor, so the film focused on Lily’s craft. We filmed her doing her Alexander Technique warm ups, we filmed mock screen tests, we filmed a Shakespeare monologue. Not all of this made the final edit, but her craft, her work was the goal. This included any auditions or preparations for industry meetings. The red carpet motif was also an experiment with and a symbol for the industry as it relates to her craft.

At the time of filming, Lily was on call for ADR work for “Killers of the Flower Moon,” Martin Scorsese’s latest film, cast opposite Leonardo DiCaprio. As a filmmaker or anyone who pays attention to film ever, this is huge. Native stories with Native actors are having a serious moment. And for some, it’ll be Lily’s, “I have arrived” moment.

Pinnacle isn’t the right word to describe the current place in Lily Gladstone’s acting career. I am sure there is yet so much more to come. And by the same token, I don’t think that Lily even thinks of it that way, although mainstream society certainly views Lily’s career to this point in this way. It isn’t necessarily about an arrival, but a moment in her life, where this firm groundedness, call it self-actualization, will serve her as things are about to get surreal with the fame machine.

About Lily Gladstone

Actor Lily Gladstone, photo by Rick Rose.

Lily Gladstone will next star in Martin Scorsese’s “Killers of the Flower Moon,” opposite Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert DeNiro. She had her breakout in Kelly Reichardt’s “Certain Women” opposite Kristen Stewart and Laura Dern. Additional film credits include the 2020 SXSW selected “Freeland” opposite Krisha Fairchild, a turn in Erica Tremblay’s short film “Little Chief” which premiered at Sundance, and she can next be seen in “The Last Manhunt” opposite Jason Momoa, “Winter in the Blood,” and the lead in Morissa Maltz’s “The Unknown Country,” which premiered at SXSW. She previously recurred on Showtime’s hit series, “Billions.” Gladstone was raised on the Blackfeet Reservation in Northwestern Montana and comes from the Kainai (Blood), Amskapi Piikani (Blackfeet) and NiMíiPuu (Nez Perce) Tribal Nations.

About filmmaker Brooke Pepion Swaney:

Director Brooke Pepion Swaney, photo by Tailyr Irvine.

Brooke (Blackfeet/Salish) works to tell Indigenous stories and stories from other marginalized communities. “Daughter of a Lost Bird,” currently screening on PBS’ “America ReFramed” is her first feature documentary, winning the NYWIFT Best Female Director for a Documentary at Woodstock, the Groundbreaker Award at the Cleveland International Film Festival and the Best Film Virtual Exclusive Award at the Atlanta Film Festival. “OK Breathe Auralee,” her NYU graduate thesis film, screened at the 2012 Sundance Film Festival and has TV distribution with FNX (First Nations Experience, a PBS affiliate). She made the Blacklist’s Inaugural Indigenous List with “Tinder on the Rez” along with her co-writer Angela Tucker. She also produced “Bella Vista (Rotterdam), “Sixty Four Flood” (PBS & PBS Digital) and the podcast “All My Relations” with Matika Wilbur and Dr. Adrienne Keene. She has fellowships from PBS Wyncote, a Woodstock/White Feather, Sundance/Time Warner and the Native Arts and Cultures Foundation. She holds an MFA in Film from NYU. Brooke serves as a screenwriting faculty mentor at the Institute of American Indian Arts in their Creative Writing MFA program. She lives and works in her homelands in Montana.

About filmmaker Jeri Rafter

Producer Jeri Rafter, photo by Mandy Mohler.

Jeri Rafter is dedicated to producing films in Montana about Montana characters. She most recently produced “Butcher’s Crossing” starring Nicholas Cage and Fred Hechinger, her other co-production credits include “Broke” starring Wyatt Russell and Dennis Quaid as well as Annabelle Attanasio’s directorial debut “Mickey and the Bear” starring Camila Morrone and James Badge Dale (SXSW, ACID Cannes). She served as production manager for the seminal Ted Kaczynski film “Ted K” (Berlinale 2021) directed by Tony Stone and starring Sharlto Copley. Her other producing credits include a documentary about Native adoptees, “Daughter of a Lost Bird.” Jeri has an MFA in Media Arts from the University of Montana.

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PRODUCTION CREDITS

Lily Gladstone: Far Out There is directed by Brooke Pepion Swaney and produced by Brooke Pepion Swaney and Jeri Rafter. It is produced by Same Land Film LLC.

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TRANSCRIPT

(soft humming) (soft humming continues) - For me, something that is the foundation of all of the acting work I do is Alexander and that's the technique that you see pop up in a lot of therapy, a lot of physical rehabilitation, music training, and it's very much about your physical form.

Finding a way to be balanced, to be centered.

And it also lends itself well to creating a home base for your psyche, within your own body, coming back to a neutral stance, coming back to an aligned, grounded, calm place.

Your brain knows you're acting.

Your brain knows it's not real.

Your body doesn't.

It brings you home.

'Cause sometimes when you're playing these characters, you can get pretty far out there.

(soft music) My name's Lily Gladstone.

(laughs) I think, most of the time my name's Lily Gladstone.

I am from Browning, East Glacier, Montana from the Blackfeet Reservation and I'm a professional actress.

♪ Ooh ♪ ♪ Ooh ♪ - And now we're on my res.

(honks) (soft music) Oh, look at the clouds!

Oh!

Oh!

Look at Chief Mountain right now.

Oh, I'm home!

I always kind of grew up with a certainty that this is what I'd be doing with my life because my dad always spoke of it as a certainty.

It's like this is what I was good at, this is what I loved to do.

He just said it with such certainty and I was young enough to just believe him.

Oh your nose is split too.

Other than that, you don't look half bad.

I feel like it's the kind of thing that you meet halfway because I love it and I always kind of direct my life toward it.

But it also has to love you, it also has to choose you.

It also has to keep demanding that you show up for it.

'Cause there've been several times where I've thought of walking away from acting altogether.

'Cause it's not easy, you're at the whims of what the work is.

I mean, I expected if I was gonna do this as a career or if I wanted to pursue acting, I would be spending most of my time cashiering or waiting tables or something like that.

And really it was only the first handful of years that I supplemented cashiering.

But most of my income since I've been a professional has been from acting, which is wild.

(laughs) Acting is something that you really surrender a lot of your life to if you love it and wanna do it.

And there've been periods of time where I haven't always been comfortable with that but just the motion of how those things are, every time I feel like it doesn't want me anymore and I'm ready to walk away from it, then the big job calls, that's been pretty consistent.

- Riley.

(gasps) - Holy (beep).

I'm good at rising to occasion, I'm good at stepping into form, I'm good at collaborating, I'm good at meeting the process halfway, which is part of what working with other creatives is about.

And then that was also reinforced by people from our community.

So it's one of the big reasons I ran back to Montana.

It's just the only place that I felt encouraged to act.

(soft music) (soft singing) (soft music) (soft singing) (soft music) Spread out and just make sure you're not touching who you're next.

You can step a little bit towards me, AJ?

- Yeah.

- AJ.

Awesome.

All right, good morning everybody.

My name's Lily Gladstone, I'm a professional actress.

I grew up in Browning, in East Glacier and then moved to Seattle when I was in middle school.

And I came back to Missoula, Montana, went to college there, studied theater and left Missoula about five years ago and I've just been bouncing all over the country doing different projects since then.

So yeah, first thing in the morning, I'm still kind of stiff and tired.

And one of the most important things about being an actor is being in touch with what your body's doing.

So you kind of start your day accepting what you've got.

But the way that I work and the way that I was taught to work in school.

I think the arts in general can be a fairly solitary, individual experience.

For me, one of the things that's keeping me in it now is just the continual positive reinforcement from my community.

You know, Blackfeet community, Indian country at large, and especially kids.

Find yourself and circle again.

A way that I sustained a love of acting when it was slow for me was helping teach it and encourage it out of others.

Not everybody who studies acting or takes an acting class ends up becoming an actor but it does teach you how to stand stronger on your own two feet, how to speak more clearly, how to articulate yourself and your presence more.

It it gives you a sense of autonomy of your own story.

(foot stomps) - Who's that?

(beep) (laughs) - We don't drink anymore, remember?

- [Student 1] That's right innit, I forgot.

Get me a Coke then.

- That was like 200% better.

Both of you are doing a really good job trying to be respectful of each other's lines and get it correctly.

I care less about the fact that you're driving backwards.

You know, that's incidental.

I just care about what this friendship is and you found that really easily.

That was really nice toward the end.

On this next pass through, find some more moments that are maybe not in the script, like.

Indian youth, more than anybody need to feel that sense of I have something to say.

My voice matters.

Modern colonized society doesn't want us to be empowered, doesn't want us to stand firmly in our own two feet, especially in communities like Browning.

(soft music) Stories are so central to our culture and our understanding of the world.

I find myself constantly confronting the perception that I'm not really an actor, which in a way is a compliment.

Here I am.

(laughs) I was born for this.

Because I think a lot of times if you're not somebody who's a filmmaker, if you're not a director, if you're not somebody who's used to working with the craft and you see somebody just doing the thing, it looks easy.

You know, I think "Certain Women", a lot of people had the perception, I was just a Montana Ranch hand that happened to be natural on film but that was very, very concentrated character work that I did every day for two months leading up to walking on set.

That was a character I stepped in and out of that had a very strong physical map that was not mine.

It's really hard doing non-verbal acting.

When you're on cameras, you always have to be very, very present.

You know when you're watching it as the audience, you're seeing the frame, you're seeing what's happening in it.

Where I'm sitting, I'm seeing Brooke, I'm seeing camera, I'm seeing sound, I'm seeing this light, I'm hearing the clock ticking.

There's a bunch of stuff in my view that I have to just space out.

Acting is something where I've sacrificed a good period of my life, sacrificed any semblance of security.

And that's the breaking point.

I mean, it's almost broken me several times but you have to be a little bit tortured and haunted by it.

(claps) Good for that.

I was expressing a little bit of anxiety about this rising star that somehow I'm stuck to, that I'm latched to, like it's got its own trajectory and I'm kind of along for the ride.

There's a sense of losing some autonomy in that.

There's a sense of getting lost in it.

And I already went through it a little bit.

(photographers shout) - [Photographer] Lily, straight ahead.

Nope, right here, there it is.

- [Photographer] Lily, smile right here, Lily.

- So we interviewed you last year for "Certain Women".

- Yes you did.

Yes.

- You're back, we're excited.

- I am super excited to be back at Sundance, it's lucky.

Sundance, Toronto, Sundance again, it's the best film festivals, it's really exciting.

Like "Certain Women" is, it's such a beautiful film and it hit filmmakers, it hit people who love film, it hit people who watch film the same way that I watch film.

So there was buzz around it, there were nominations, there was the promise of, or the possibility of some big nominations beyond the critics circles.

There was a lot of flashing cameras, there were a lot of red carpets.

There were a lot of things I was not used to, and it was ungrounding, it was kind of scary.

So just inherently, you know that the audience has a perception of you and your work that is theirs, it's not yours.

It's really none of your business how the audience takes your work.

So I always find it really intriguing even though it's frustrating in some ways, especially when you're being thrown into the industry and you become a marketable product for somebody, you know, your awards, recognition, any nominations, your reviews, all of that makes you part of the marketing package.

Really "Killers of the Flower Moon", coming out I know is gonna be my introduction to a lot of people, 'cause not everybody watches independent film.

I had auditioned for "Killers of the Flower Moon".

Ellen Lewis, Martin Scorsese's casting director, had gone through the process, had really good feedback.

COVID happened, I heard rumors about the project and then it had been long enough that I was just like, oh, it didn't go my way, I'll let it go.

Kind of one of those moments where I'd more decidedly started trying to walk away from even the arts altogether.

It pulled me back in.

On Molly Burkhart's birthday, even though they didn't know that, I was offered the role.

(beep).

(dramatic music) Teachers, we have a runner.

I repeat teachers, we have a runner.

Rarely do I find a native character that's allowed to just be on screen as a human being, (sighs) with wants, with fears, with nuance, with complexity, without them saying something about basically a Western perspective on colonization.

I feel like a lot of what I strive for in my work is about having a strong sense of self as an individual is a good starting point.

But it is the starting point, it's not the end point.

(soft music) (soft music continues) (sighs) ♪ I prefer the sound of an old wind song ♪ ♪ I prefer the sound of an old wind song ♪ ♪ Ooh ♪ ♪ Ooh ♪ ♪ Ooh ♪ (soft music) (clapperboard claps) (soft music) (soft music continues)

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