‘Anti-LGBT ideology zones’ are being enacted in Polish towns

Poland’s right-wing populist leader Andrzej Duda came to power last year on a platform decrying a ‘LGBT-ideology’ he alleged was spreading throughout his country at the expense of traditional family values. Now, dozens of Polish municipalities have enacted “LGBT ideology free zones” making members of the gay community in this European Union member state fear for their safety. NewsHour Weekend Special Correspondent Simon Ostrovsky reports from Poland with support from the Pulitzer Center.

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Hari Sreenivasan:

Poland’s right-wing populist leader came to power last year decrying what he called “LGBT ideology.” He said it was spreading throughout his country at the expense of traditional family values. Poland is a member of the European Union and dozens of its municipalities have enacted “LGBT ideology-free zones” making members of the gay community fear for their safety and their lives.

NewsHour Weekend Special Correspondent Simon Ostrovsky reports, with support from the Pulitzer Center for our ongoing series, ‘Exploring Hate: Antisemitism, Racism and Extremism.’

Simon Ostrovsky:

Welcome to Pulawy. This working-class Polish town about 85 miles south of Warsaw is among some 50 municipalities in the country that have officially declared their opposition to LGBTs.

We’re meeting David Socha, a 20-year-old activist who lives here to find out what it’s like to be gay in a city whose leadership has publically come out against his community.

David Socha:

They enacted a statement about stopping the ideology pushed forward by the LGBT subculture. So they are basically calling LGBT people a subculture and that this subculture has an ideology.

Simon Ostrovsky:

The declaration is part of a broader push by the ruling right-wing populist law and justice party to pull poles toward so-called traditional values… And erode democratic norms in the process. The hallmark of the campaign has been the assertion that LGBT people don’t actually exist. According to law and justice, it’s simply an ideology.

In practical terms, for Socha this has meant avoiding certain parts of town where he’s afraid of getting jumped by skinheads and soccer fans that he believes have been emboldened by the city’s – and increasingly the country’s – stance on the LGBT community.

David Socha:

They can say that they are against discrimination, that they don’t discriminate against people. But the reality is they opened the gate for, uh, all the kind of hate. so it made me much more cautious when I walk around the city because there have been incidents where, uh, my, uh, home was targeted.

Simon Ostrovsky:

Socha’s street was plastered with anti-LGBT flyers and stickers and he’s even been chased. He fears it’s only a matter of time before the attacks turn violent.

In other parts of Poland, they already have. Like this pride parade in the city of Bialystok in 2019. Bart Staszewski filmed the moment soccer hooligans pelted attendees with large paving stones on his GoPro camera. He’s also an activist fighting for LGBT equality in Poland.

Socha’s street was plastered with anti-LGBT flyers and stickers and he’s even been chased. He fears it’s only a matter of time before the attacks turn violent.

Bart Staszewski:

If we look on the map of Poland, it’s one-third of Poland which created discriminatory acts against the people.

Simon Ostrovsky:

When multiple communities across the country started enacting the anti-LGBT declarations in 2019 he hit on a creative way to draw attention to the phenomenon.

Bart Staszewski:

I came into the idea to create this photo project to came to each of those places, make a photo of it and invite LGBT people who are actual living there to join me and to pose to the photo and to share their story.

Staszewski created a realistic-looking road sign that he hung up at the city limits to mock the towns as LGBT-free zones. It was an instant viral internet hit in Poland—and soon drew the ire of the country’s ruling party.

Bart Staszewski:

Suddenly became the national enemy by the prime minister, who was accusing me of lies, anti-Polish lies.

Simon Ostrovsky:

Poland’s slide towards authoritarianism hasn’t been without pushback. Other countries in the European Union have noticed the changing attitudes about women’s rights, the independence of the courts and the protection of the LGBT community’s rights. Here in Pulawy, for example, where an anti-LGBT resolution was passed, two cities in Europe, which were twinned with Pulawy, ended their partnership with the municipality in protest.

Six other European cities canceled twinning applications with Polish municipalities that have enacted the declarations. And it’s not just symbolic, some EU funding was also suspended.

Although they do not carry the force of law, these texts aren’t for the faint of heart. Pulawy’s declaration is titled “On Halting the Ideology Pushed by the LGBT Subculture.” It effectively equates homosexuality with pedophilia declaring that the city administration is committed to “Doing everything to stop perverts who are interested in the early sexualization of Polish children and adolescents.”

This divisive style of politics has pitted Poles against one another in a way not seen since the collapse of communism in this country.

According to Poland’s outgoing human rights ombudsman Adam Bodnar, it’s all part of a broader effort by the government to erode the country’s hard-won democratic norms. The ruling party has done everything to weaken the parliament and the courts while at the same time raising the profile of divisive political issues that rally its base.

Adam Bodnar:

So I remember well that in 2016, like that hot topic was the question of refugees and the migration crisis in Europe. And at that time the Polish government was presenting this as a huge threat to Polish identity, Christianity, conservative values. Later on, it appeared that the useful political coin is the protection of LGBT rights. So sometimes we see that the government is trying to make something like a culture war in the society just by raising the profile of the issue and by presenting some arguments against LGBT persons.

Simon Ostrovsky:

This tactic regularly sparks outcry among supporters of the LGBT community who most recently protested outside the education ministry after Poland’s education minister criticized one of Poland’s many pride parades that took place this summer – as a fetish.

Przemyslaw Czarnek:

Every Pole can see exactly what is happening in these streets and know what equality is, what tolerance is, but what happened there has nothing to do with equality or tolerance. This is a fetish and a distortion of equality and tolerance.

Simon Ostrovsky:

Aleksandra Iwanowska is an 18-year old high school student who participated in the protest outside the minister’s office.

Aleksandra Iwanowska:

He basically follows the line introduced in the 2020 presidential elections, that the LGBT+ community is not a community. It’s an ideology. And I’ve had actually my friends being called out, even physically abused on the streets because they wore something rainbow. I’m just angry at the fact that it takes guts in Poland to hold your girlfriend or your boyfriend by a hand in public.

Simon Ostrovsky:

Poland’s deputy foreign minister Paweł Jabłoński defended his government’s stance in an interview with NewsHour Weekend.

Simon Ostrovsky:

The law and Justice Party leadership have repeatedly declared that members of the LGBT community aren’t people and that LGBT is simply an ideology, suggesting that there’s no such a thing as gay people.

Paweł Jabłoński:

Nobody said such a thing, that members of the LGBT community or any other community are not people. They were saying that LGBT ideology is something entirely different from particular people because there is a political movement behind it. LGBT movement intends to change the definition of marriage, for example. This is a political agenda. One can agree with that or one can disagree with that. And I don’t see any problem with declaring that this is simply an ideology that we do not agree with because it’s inconsistent.

Simon Ostrovsky:

Why don’t you declare that heterosexuality is an ideology?

Paweł Jabłoński:

Because this ideology is inconsistent with our Constitution, we very often hear how important is the rule of law, how important to observe the rights that are prescribed in our Constitution. And our Constitution is very clear about this, that marriage is a union of women and men.

Simon Ostrovsky:

Jabłoński’s claim that law and justice never say LGBTs are not people is easily disproved. Here’s Polish president Andrzej Duda speaking at a rally of supporters during his latest election campaign last year, in which he accused the LGBT rights movement of promoting a viewpoint more harmful than communism.

Andrzej Duda:

They are trying to tell us that they are people, but this is just an ideology.

Simon Ostrovsky:

Poland’s human rights ombudsman argues that the government’s stance on LGBTs threatens not just democracy in Poland but the unity of the EU as a whole. If Poland doesn’t have to protect its minority groups, why should other member states have to uphold democratic norms?

Adam Bodnar:

And at the end of the day, you do not have a Europe of values based on rule of law, on LGBT rights, on protection of different minorities, on democratic values. But you have a loose confederation of states that are not following the same values on which the European Union is built. So that is why I claim that it is an existential threat for the European Union.

Simon Ostrovsky:

Back in Pulawy, the fate of the EU might be the last thing on people’s minds. Here the values of the Catholic Church hold more sway. On a notice board outside the local cathedral, a poster warns the faithful of dangerous symbols to avoid. The peace sign, a satanic emblem, apparently, and the unicorn, representing lesbian love and group sex, according to the clergy.

David Socha:

The hooligans wanted to target us and you know, harm us. They pointed at me and said ‘oh, it’s this fag!’ yeah, they basically tried to beat me up. They mentioned my surname and said ‘we remember Socha’ so they know who I am, basically.

Simon Ostrovsky:

Until attitudes like this change in Poland, people like Socha will continue to feel like they have a target on their back.

TRANSCRIPT

>> Sreenivasan: POLAND'S

RIGHT-WING POPULIST LEADER CAME

TO POWER LAST YEAR DECRYING WHAT

HE CALLED L.G.B.T. IDEOLOGY.

HE SAID IT WAS SPREADING

THROUGHOUT HIS COUNTRY AT THE

EXPENSE OF TRADITIONAL FAMILY

VALUES.

POLAND IS A MEMBER OF THE

EUROPEAN UNION, AND DOZENS OF

ITS MUNICIPALITIES HAVE ENACTED

"L.G.B.T. IDEOLOGY-FREE" ZONES,

MAKING MEMBERS OF THE GAY

COMMUNITY FEAR FOR THEIR SAFETY

AND THEIR LIVES.

NEWSHOUR WEEKEND SPECIAL

CORRESPONDENT SIMON OSTROVSKY

REPORTS, WITH SUPPORT FROM THE

PULITZER CENTER, FOR OUR ONGOING

SERIES "EXPLORING HATE: ANTI

SEMITISM, RACISM AND EXTREMISM."

>> Reporter: WELCOME TO PULAWY.

THIS WORKING-CLASS POLISH TOWN

ABOUT 85 MILES SOUTH OF WARSAW

IS AMONG SOME 50 MUNICIPALITIES

IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE

OFFICIALLY DECLARED THEIR

OPPOSITION TO L.G.B.T.s.

WE'RE MEETING DAVID SOCHA, A

20-YEAR-OLD ACTIVIST WHO LIVES

HERE, TO FIND OUT WHAT IT'S LIKE

TO BE GAY IN A CITY WHOSE

LEADERSHIP HAS PUBLICLY COME OUT

AGAINST HIS COMMUNITY.

>> THEY ENACTED A STATEMENT

ABOUT "STOPPING THE IDEOLOGY

PUSHED FORWARD BY THE L.G.B.T.

SUBCULTURE."

SO, THEY ARE BASICALLY CALLING

L.G.B.T. PEOPLE A SUBCULTURE,

AND THAT THIS SUBCULTURE HAS AN

IDEOLOGY.

>> Reporter: THE DECLARATION IS

PART OF A BROADER PUSH BY THE

RULING RIGHT-WING POPULIST LAW

AND JUSTICE PARTY TO PULL POLES

TOWARD SO-CALLED TRADITIONAL

VALUES, AND ERODE DEMOCRATIC

NORMS IN THE PROCESS.

THE HALLMARK OF THE CAMPAIGN HAS

BEEN THE ASSERTION THAT L.G.B.T.

PEOPLE DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST.

ACCORDING TO LAW AND JUSTICE,

IT'S SIMPLY AN IDEOLOGY.

IN PRACTICAL TERMS, FOR SOCHA,

THIS HAS MEANT AVOIDING CERTAIN

PARTS OF TOWN WHERE HE'S AFRAID

OF GETTING JUMPED BY SKINHEADS

AND SOCCER FANS THAT HE BELIEVES

HAVE BEEN EMBOLDENED BY THE

CITY'S-- AND INCREASINGLY, THE

COUNTRY'S-- STANCE ON THE

L.G.B.T. COMMUNITY.

>> THEY CAN SAY THAT THEY ARE

AGAINST DISCRIMINATION, THAT

THEY DON'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST

PEOPLE, BUT THE REALITY IS,

THEY OPENED THE GATE FOR ALL THE

KIND OF HATE.

SO IT MADE ME MUCH MORE CAUTIOUS

WHEN I WALK AROUND THE CITY

BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN

INCIDENTS WHERE MY HOME WAS

TARGETED.

>> Reporter: SOCHA'S STREET WAS

PLASTERED WITH ANTI-L.G.B.T.

FLYERS AND STICKERS, AND HE'S

EVEN BEEN CHASED.

HE FEARS IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF

TIME BEFORE THE ATTACKS TURN

VIOLENT.

(PROTESTS )

IN OTHER PARTS OF POLAND,

THEY ALREADY HAVE, LIKE THIS

PRIDE PARADE IN THE CITY OF

BIALYSTOK IN 2019.

BART STASZEWSKI FILMED THE

MOMENT SOCCER HOOLIGANS PELTED

ATTENDEES WITH LARGE PAVING

STONES ON HIS GOPRO CAMERA.

HE'S ALSO AN ACTIVIST FIGHTING

FOR L.G.B.T. EQUALITY IN POLAND.

>> IF WE LOOK ON THE MAP OF

POLAND, IT'S ONE-THIRD OF POLAND

WHICH CREATED DISCRIMINATORY

ACTS AGAINST THE PEOPLE.

>> Reporter: WHEN MULTIPLE

COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY

STARTED ENACTING THE ANIT-

L.G.B.T. DECLARATIONS IN 2019,

HE HIT ON A CREATIVE WAY TO DRAW

ATTENTION TO THE PHENOMENON.

>> I CAME INTO THE IDEA TO

CREATE THIS PHOTO PROJECT,

TO CAME TO EACH OF THOSE PLACES,

MAKE A PHOTO OF IT, AND INVITE

L.G.B.T. PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUAL

LIVING THERE TO JOIN ME AND TO

POSE TO THE PHOTO AND TO SHARE

THEIR STORY.

>> Reporter: STASZEWSKI CREATED

A REALISTIC-LOOKING ROAD SIGN

THAT HE HUNG UP AT THE CITY

LIMITS TO MOCK THE TOWNS AS

L.G.B.T.-FREE ZONES.

IT WAS AN INSTANT VIRAL INTERNET

HIT IN POLAND, AND SOON DREW

THE IRE OF THE COUNTRY'S RULING

PARTY.

>> SUDDENLY BECAME THE-- THE

NATIONAL ENEMY BY THE PRIME

MINISTER, WHO WAS ACCUSING ME OF

LIES, ANTI-POLISH LIES.

>> Reporter: POLAND'S SLIDE

TOWARDS AUTHORITARIANISM HASN'T

BEEN WITHOUT PUSHBACK.

OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE EUROPEAN

UNION HAVE NOTICED THE CHANGING

ATTITUDES ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHTS,

THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE COURTS,

AND THE PROTECTION OF THE

L.G.B.T. COMMUNITY'S RIGHTS.

HERE IN PULAWY, FOR EXAMPLE,

WHERE AN ANTI-L.G.B.T.

RESOLUTION WAS PASSED, TWO

CITIES IN EUROPE, WHICH WERE

TWINNED WITH PULAWY, ENDED

THEIR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE

MUNICIPALITY IN PROTEST.

SIX OTHER EUROPEAN CITIES

CANCELLED TWINNING APPLICATIONS

WITH POLISH MUNICIPALITIES THAT

HAVE ENACTED THE DECLARATIONS.

AND IT'S NOT JUST SYMBOLIC.

SOME E.U. FUNDING WAS ALSO

SUSPENDED.

ALTHOUGH THEY DON'T CARRY THE

FORCE OF LAW, THESE TEXTS AREN'T

FOR THE FAINT OF HEART.

PULAWY'S DECLARATION IS TITLED

"ON HALTING THE IDEOLOGY PUSHED

BY THE L.G.B.T. SUBCULTURE."

IT EFFECTIVELY EQUATES

HOMOSEXUALITY WITH PEDOPHILIA,

DECLARING THAT THE CITY

ADMINISTRATION IS COMMITTED TO

"DOING EVERYTHING TO STOP

PERVERTS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN

THE EARLY SEXUALIZATION OF

POLISH CHILDREN AND

ADOLESCENTS."

THIS DIVISIVE STYLE OF POLITICS

HAS PITTED POLES AGAINST ONE

ANOTHER IN A WAY NOT SEEN SINCE

THE COLLAPSE OF COMMUNISM IN

THIS COUNTRY.

ACCORDING TO POLAND'S OUTGOING

HUMAN RIGHTS OMBUDSMAN, ADAM

BODNAR, IT'S ALL PART OF A

BROADER EFFORT BY THE GOVERNMENT

TO ERODE THE COUNTRY'S HARD-WON

DEMOCRATIC NORMS.

THE RULING PARTY HAS DONE

EVERYTHING TO WEAKEN THE

PARLIAMENT AND THE COURTS, WHILE

AT THE SAME TIME, RAISING THE

PROFILE OF DIVISIVE POLITICAL

ISSUES THAT RALLY ITS BASE.

>> SO I REMEMBER WELL THAT IN

2016, LIKE, THAT HOT TOPIC WAS

THE QUESTION OF REFUGEES AND THE

MIGRATION CRISIS IN EUROPE.

AND AT THAT TIME, POLISH

GOVERNMENT WAS PRESENTING THIS

AS A HUGE THREAT TO POLISH

IDENTITY, CHRISTIANITY,

CONSERVATIVE VALUES.

LATER ON, IT APPEARED THAT THE

USEFUL POLITICAL COIN IS

PROTECTION OF L.G.B.T. RIGHTS.

SO SOMETIMES WE SEE THAT THE

GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO MAKE

SOMETHING LIKE A CULTURE WAR IN

THE SOCIETY JUST BY RAISING THE

PROFILE OF THE ISSUE, AND BY

PRESENTING SOME ARGUMENTS

AGAINST L.G.B.T. PERSONS.

>> Reporter: THIS TACTIC

REGULARLY SPARKS OUTCRY AMONG

SUPPORTERS OF THE L.G.B.T.

COMMUNITY, WHO MOST RECENTLY

PROTESTED OUTSIDE THE EDUCATION

MINISTRY AFTER POLAND'S

EDUCATION MINISTER CRITICIZED

ONE OF POLAND'S MANY PRIDE

PARADES THAT TOOK PLACE THIS

SUMMER AS A "FETISH."

(PROTESTS )

>> (translated ): EVERY POLE

CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT IS

HAPPENING IN THESE STREETS AND

KNOW WHAT EQUALITY IS, WHAT

TOLERANCE IS, BUT WHAT HAPPENED

THERE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH

EQUALITY OR TOLERANCE.

THIS IS A FETISH AND A

DISTORTION OF EQUALITY AND

TOLERANCE.

>> Reporter: ALEKSANDRA

IWANOWSKA IS AN 18-YEAR OLD

HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT WHO

PARTICIPATED IN THE PROTEST

OUTSIDE THE MINISTER'S OFFICE.

>> HE BASICALLY FOLLOWS THE LINE

INTRODUCED IN THE 2020

PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS, THAT

L.G.B.T.+ COMMUNITY IS NOT A

COMMUNITY, IT'S AN IDEOLOGY.

AND I'VE HAD, ACTUALLY, MY

FRIENDS BEING CALLED OUT, EVEN

PHYSICALLY ABUSED ON THE STREETS

BECAUSE THEY WORE SOMETHING

RAINBOW.

I'M JUST ANGRY AT THE FACT THAT

IT TAKES GUTS IN POLAND TO HOLD

YOUR GIRLFRIEND OR YOUR

BOYFRIEND BY A HAND IN PUBLIC.

>> Reporter: POLAND'S DEPUTY

FOREIGN MINISTER, PAWE£

JAB£OÑSKI, DEFENDED HIS

GOVERNMENT'S STANCE IN AN

INTERVIEW WITH NEWSHOUR WEEKEND.

THE LAW AND JUSTICE PARTY

LEADERSHIP HAVE REPEATEDLY

DECLARED THAT MEMBERS OF THE

L.G.B.T. COMMUNITY AREN'T

PEOPLE, AND THAT L.G.B.T. IS

SIMPLY AN IDEOLOGY, ESSENTIALLY

SUGGESTING THAT THERE'S NO SUCH

A THING AS GAY PEOPLE.

>> NOBODY SAID SUCH THING,

THAT MEMBERS OF L.G.B.T.

COMMUNITY OR ANY OTHER COMMUNITY

ARE NOT PEOPLE.

THEY WERE SAYING THAT L.G.B.T.

IDEOLOGY IS SOMETHING ENTIRELY

DIFFERENT FROM PARTICULAR PEOPLE

BECAUSE THERE IS A POLITICAL

MOVEMENT BEHIND IT.

L.G.B.T. MOVEMENT INTENDS TO

CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF

MARRIAGE, FOR EXAMPLE.

THIS IS A POLITICAL AGENDA.

ONE CAN AGREE WITH THAT, OR ONE

CAN DISAGREE WITH THAT.

AND I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH

DECLARING THAT THIS IS SIMPLY AN

IDEOLOGY WHICH WE DO NOT AGREE

WITH, BECAUSE IT'S INCONSISTENT.

>> Reporter: WHY DON'T YOU

DECLARE THAT HETEROSEXUALITY IS

AN IDEOLOGY?

>> BECAUSE THIS IDEOLOGY IS

INCONSISTENT WITH OUR

CONSTITUTION.

WE VERY OFTEN HEAR HOW IMPORTANT

IS THE RULE OF LAW, HOW

IMPORTANT IS TO OBSERVE THE

RIGHTS THAT ARE PRESCRIBED IN

OUR CONSTITUTION.

AND OUR CONSTITUTION IS VERY

CLEAR ABOUT THIS, THAT MARRIAGE

IS A UNION OF WOMEN AND MEN.

>> Reporter: JABLONSKI'S CLAIM

THAT LAW AND JUSTICE NEVER SAY

L.G.B.T.s ARE NOT PEOPLE IS

EASILY DISPROVED.

HERE'S POLISH PRESIDENT ANDRZEJ

DUDA SPEAKING AT A RALLY OF

SUPPORTERS DURING HIS LATEST

ELECTION CAMPAIGN LAST YEAR,

IN WHICH HE ACCUSED THE L.G.B.T.

RIGHTS MOVEMENT OF PROMOTING A

VIEWPOINT MORE HARMFUL THAN

COMMUNISM.

>> (translated ): THEY ARE

TRYING TO TELL US THAT THEY'RE

PEOPLE, BUT THIS IS JUST AN

IDEOLOGY.

>> Reporter: POLAND'S HUMAN

RIGHTS OMBUDSMAN ARGUES THAT THE

GOVERNMENT'S STANCE ON L.G.B.T.s

THREATENS NOT JUST DEMOCRACY IN

POLAND, BUT THE UNITY OF THE

E.U. AS A WHOLE.

IF POLAND DOESN'T HAVE TO

PROTECT ITS MINORITY GROUPS,

WHY SHOULD OTHER MEMBER STATES

HAVE TO UPHOLD DEMOCRATIC NORMS?

>> AND AT THE END OF THE DAY,

YOU DO NOT HAVE A EUROPE OF

VALUES BASED ON RULE OF LAW, ON

L.G.B.T. RIGHTS, ON PROTECTION

OF DIFFERENT MINORITIES, ON

DEMOCRATIC VALUES.

BUT YOU HAVE A-- LIKE, A

LOOSE CONFEDERATION OF STATES

THAT ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE SAME

VALUES ON WHICH THE EUROPEAN

UNION IS BUILT.

SO THAT IS WHY I CLAIM THAT IT

IS EXISTENTIAL THREAT FOR THE

EUROPEAN UNION.

>> Reporter: BACK IN PULAWY, THE

FATE OF THE E.U. MIGHT BE THE

LAST THING ON PEOPLE'S MINDS.

HERE, THE VALUES OF THE CATHOLIC

CHURCH HOLD MORE SWAY.

ON A NOTICE BOARD OUTSIDE THE

LOCAL CATHEDRAL, A POSTER WARNS

THE FAITHFUL OF DANGEROUS

SYMBOLS TO AVOID: THE PEACE

SIGN, A SATANIC EMBLEM,

APPARENTLY; AND THE UNICORN,

REPRESENTING LESBIAN LOVE AND

GROUP SEX, ACCORDING TO THE

CLERGY.

>> THE HOOLIGANS THAT WANTED TO

TARGET US AND, YOU KNOW, TO

HARM US, THEY POINTED AT ME AND

SAID "OH, IT'S THIS (BLEEP)!"

YEAH, THEY BASICALLY TRIED TO

BEAT ME UP.

THEY MENTIONED MY SURNAME AND

SAID, "WE REMEMBER," YOU KNOW,

"WE REMEMBER SOCHA," SO THEY

KNOW WHO I AM, BASICALLY.

>> Reporter: UNTIL ATTITUDES

LIKE THIS CHANGE IN POLAND,

PEOPLE LIKE SOCHA WILL CONTINUE

TO FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A TARGET

ON THEIR BACK.

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